I don't want to be a narcissist

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28 Apr 2023, 12:05 pm

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I answered as truthfully as I can, came up with these results.

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Covert narcissist score = 21 / 50

Scores above 25 indicate a greater likelihood of covert narcissism.
Scores below 25 are normal.


https://www.psychmechanics.com/covert-narcissist-test/



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Covert narcissist score = 6 / 50

Scores above 25 indicate a greater likelihood of covert narcissism.
Scores below 25 are normal.




Try having kids though.
I think people without kids have a different set of answers altogether.

People with kids will likely hold a grudge against anyone who hurts them, for example.
It would be like someone hurting your dogs (OK actually even more than that.)


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28 Apr 2023, 12:11 pm

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Oh...I see. Sorry, I did misunderstand. My bad. :oops:


What did you misunderstand?


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28 Apr 2023, 12:18 pm

After thinking about it, maybe I have a reading comprehension problem as the title 'Misdiagnosing Narcissism as Asperger's Disorder' means narcs getting dx as spergs to me , shouldn't it be 'Misdiagnosing Asperger's Disorder as Narcissism' :scratch:


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28 Apr 2023, 12:25 pm

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After thinking about it, maybe I have a reading comprehension problem as the title 'Misdiagnosing Narcissism as Asperger's Disorder' means narcs getting dx as spergs to me , shouldn't it be 'Misdiagnosing Asperger's Disorder as Narcissism' :scratch:


I'm too ADHD to read the whole article or watch the video right now.
If they're saying people with ASD get diagnosed with narcissism, then yes to the second one.

My exh was clinically dx with NPD and as we all know it shows.
I don't see any ASD in him, and he's a nasty and spiteful mofo.


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28 Apr 2023, 12:29 pm

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After thinking about it, maybe I have a reading comprehension problem as the title 'Misdiagnosing Narcissism as Asperger's Disorder' means narcs getting dx as spergs to me , shouldn't it be 'Misdiagnosing Asperger's Disorder as Narcissism' :scratch:


I'm too ADHD to read the whole article or watch the video right now.
If they're saying people with ASD get diagnosed with narcissism, then yes to the second one.

My exh was clinically dx with NPD and as we all know it shows.
I don't see any ASD in him, and he's a nasty and spiteful mofo.


This was the intro

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Comparison of symptoms of narcissism and other personality disorders and Asperger's Disorder symptoms. Could similarities lead to a misdiagnosis?

Personality disorders cannot be safely diagnosed prior to early adolescence. Still, though frequently found between the ages of 3 and 6, Asperger's Disorder is often misdiagnosed as a cluster B personality disorder, most often as the Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).


So the title is wrong FFS


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28 Apr 2023, 12:29 pm

No offense, Joe, but I knew from the title alone that this thread would be you.

You seem to have a tendency to read things about autism and all that you take away is your initial, strong emotional reaction, which then turns into an anxiety spiral so strong, you are unable to read anything more into the text.

Maybe you could give yourself a break from reading articles like this is you know you have comprehension issues that are distressing to you? I hope that doesn't seem mean, it's just a thought.


I got 24/25 on the quiz, I'm not surprised. I was raised by someone who exhibits alllll of the traits of narcissism, so I'm sure it's a part of how I'm socialised. My brother once said to me, 'I genuinely believe I'm better than most people,' and I totally get it. He's not narcissistic but that's what happens when your formative years are shaped by someone who is. Someone said earlier in the thread that narcissists aren't insecure - this isn't true. They are insanely insecure because other people and the real world often threaten to topple the delusions of grandeur they've built for themselves. The one I'm thinking about will frequently ask you 'I'm a good person, aren't I?' (and of course you can only say 'yes'), and he's always telling us 'so-and-so said my hair looked f*****g magnificent', 'so-and-so said that my work absolutely blew them away', 'so-and-so almost cried at how good I was today.' They need you to know it and believe it because their ego is so fragile; to themselves, a narcissist is simultaneously the worst person on earth and a god.


They say if you're worried about being a narcissist, then you're probably not a narcissist, so there's always that.



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28 Apr 2023, 12:32 pm

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They say if you're worried about being a narcissist, then you're probably not a narcissist, so there's always that.


But what if you are a narcissist suffering from OCD and it's the OCD giving you the guilt - just saying :mrgreen:


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28 Apr 2023, 12:34 pm

Yes - the title is wrong and that intro doesn't make sense regardless. It sounds like they're saying children ages 3-6 are often diagnosed with ASD but they actually have NPD??? Children have NPD ???

What is "frequently found" in children 3-6 ?? Personality disorders?? They use the word "Still, ..." which means that's what they're talking about rather than ASD.

I'm totally confused.

I know some young kids can be aholes but this makes it sound like they have more chance of being NPD than ASD?

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28 Apr 2023, 12:36 pm

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No offense, Joe, but I knew from the title alone that this thread would be you.

You seem to have a tendency to read things about autism and all that you take away is your initial, strong emotional reaction, which then turns into an anxiety spiral so strong, you are unable to read anything more into the text.

Maybe you could give yourself a break from reading articles like this is you know you have comprehension issues that are distressing to you? I hope that doesn't seem mean, it's just a thought.


I got 24/25 on the quiz, I'm not surprised. I was raised by someone who exhibits alllll of the traits of narcissism, so I'm sure it's a part of how I'm socialised. My brother once said to me, 'I genuinely believe I'm better than most people,' and I totally get it. He's not narcissistic but that's what happens when your formative years are shaped by someone who is. Someone said earlier in the thread that narcissists aren't insecure - this isn't true. They are insanely insecure because other people and the real world often threaten to topple the delusions of grandeur they've built for themselves. The one I'm thinking about will frequently ask you 'I'm a good person, aren't I?' (and of course you can only say 'yes'), and he's always telling us 'so-and-so said my hair looked f*****g magnificent', 'so-and-so said that my work absolutely blew them away', 'so-and-so almost cried at how good I was today.' They need you to know it and believe it because their ego is so fragile; to themselves, a narcissist is simultaneously the worst person on earth and a god.


They say if you're worried about being a narcissist, then you're probably not a narcissist, so there's always that.


Hi Rachey
Nice post. Sorry you were raised with that mindset. :(
Narcissists are indeed insecure.
They get their validation through external means -- taking praise and energy from others.
That's why we say "Don't feed the narcissist".


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28 Apr 2023, 12:37 pm

yeah, I should of read the the article fully before posting it ( I cherry picked when I read it), maybe I was just being narcissistic and messing with people :jester:


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28 Apr 2023, 12:40 pm

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yeah, I should of read the the article fully before posting it ( I cherry picked when I read it), maybe I was just being narcissistic and messing with people :jester:



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28 Apr 2023, 12:44 pm

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There are also VICTIM Narcissists.
I made a thread about that on WP somewhere. 8)



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I've met people like this. ^
They usually come across as paranoid and blaming others.

People who really have CPTSD blame themselves for everything in a guilt-shame cycle.
It's something I'm still working on in therapy.
I consider everything that goes wrong to be my own fault.
I feel too much responsibility for the crap others do.


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28 Apr 2023, 12:47 pm

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People who really have CPTSD blame themselves for everything in a guilt-shame cycle.
It's something I'm still working on in therapy.
I consider everything that goes wrong to be my own fault.
I feel too much responsibility for the crap others do.

It’s something I’m working on, too. Guilt and shame can be really difficult things for survivors to grapple with.

Victim-blaming is especially problematic because victims so often struggle with more than their fair share of guilt to begin with.



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28 Apr 2023, 12:53 pm

I am OK at interpreting comprehension in posts but I do struggle to understand the language used in internet articles, as they seem to beat around the bush rather than just getting to the point, so I often not understand what it's trying to say.

But being so the article was posted in my thread I obviously couldn't ignore it.


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28 Apr 2023, 12:57 pm

^^

I have a problem with words like *snowflake* when they're applied to people who really are victims of abuse or trauma.

The first step in trauma therapy is to speak up so we can help educate / protect others -- not ourselves.
Trauma survivors don't speak up to help themselves, since trauma is a private journey.

"Snowflake" implies a person is weak if they try to help other people.

Go figure.

*Sorry for the derail but it's something that really bugs me.*


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28 Apr 2023, 1:16 pm

It just seems that there's a name for everything these days, such as narcissism. We might as well say NTs are narcissists because of their typical habit of lying and manipulating their way through life (as what is often described about NTs by Aspies on autism sites anyway). Or when we (as humans) don't want to be accountable for our actions. It's quite normal to become defensive when you know you've done something wrong. I see it every day, from all types of people. Like at work when people often try to get out of doing work but shame others who are doing the same thing. A lot of people's actions are different to what they're actually thinking, and because we know nobody can hear our personal thoughts then that gives us the freedom to think whatever we like.

It's just difficult to understand where the line is drawn between narcissism and typical human behaviours.


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