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29 Aug 2007, 1:59 am

Sorry to hear that happened to you.

I really hate that flash of aggression when people do something like that. I have never been any good at being aggressive and have taught myself that I am far better than that, the anger just serves to remind me that I am not.

I still keep trying to take my inspiration from Gandhi.

If you allow the anger to stay with you the only person to get hurt is yourself.

You have met me you probably can guess I have had to take a lot of s**t by now I'm Teflon coated, it just falls off!

I would still wish I had my longbow with me if that had happened to me though :P


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29 Aug 2007, 2:16 am

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**Bruce makes a lame attempt at making light of his situation**

Graelwyn,

I have somewhat of a deathwish... If there was some sort of miracle that you could tell me who/where he is, I'd make an effort to let him know that's not suitable behavior... Even if it meant my end.

I hope some word on this forum can give you some comfort/ideas.

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Thanks, it is kinda first time I have been really scared of someone in that sense. I am glad I no longer live in London.
I am glad he didn't come and do anything when I swore at him as he passed.


There is a simple solution, really, one that I'm going to save up for. Of course, you wouldn't be able to buy it in England:

Wildey's Here!


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29 Aug 2007, 3:25 pm

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Wait, you're British right? Just stab him with your sword. All British people have swords, even if they don't know it yet. I can garuntee that somewhere in your house there's a sword :P.

Honestly, though, I feel the same way some time. Especially in high school. There were always really fat people standing in the door way talking. I don't know what they were talking about that could possibly be so interesting that they couldn't walk and talk at the same time. Probably food. Anyways, they just stood there for several minutes at a time, and if I tried to get past them to go to class they looked at me like I was being rude. I kept wishing I had a cattle prod with me.


I don't know if you were being rude in high school, but I sort of wish you wouldn't be now.

Some of us fat people read wongplanet.


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29 Aug 2007, 3:34 pm

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im wary of self-professed 'self defense' trainers as imo 95% of them teach you things that are just plain dangerous applied to a real life confrontation. Theres still very good reasons to attend classes - exercise, hobby, social etc - i just wish they wouldnt call themselves 'self defense' instructors :(


There are some good self-defense programs out there.

If you're serious about actual self defense, try Krav Maga or a RAD (rape aggression defense) workshop.

I do recommend martial arts for a host of other reasons. . . and some martial arts are better-or worse- than others for actual fighting. Particularly good ones include jujitsu ( :) ) and muy thai; particularly bad ones include tae quan do and a lot of Americanized Karatie systems.

Just remember to follow specific self defense training in a real confrontation. If it doesn't work when free sparring, or if it's "too dangerous to practice at full strength," don't count on it.


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29 Aug 2007, 4:25 pm

iceb wrote:
Sorry to hear that happened to you.

I really hate that flash of aggression when people do something like that. I have never been any good at being aggressive and have taught myself that I am far better than that, the anger just serves to remind me that I am not.

I still keep trying to take my inspiration from Gandhi.

If you allow the anger to stay with you the only person to get hurt is yourself.

You have met me you probably can guess I have had to take a lot of sh** by now I'm Teflon coated, it just falls off!

I would still wish I had my longbow with me if that had happened to me though :P


I did imagine you have taken a lot of crap, but I cannot imagine many trying it now as compared to when you were a child as you are quite tall and well built.
Actually, I am glad I am tall as it could be worse if I was shorter, tho I dont sometimes wonder if my height makes people more likely to attempt to harass me.
Either way, I know my anger is wrong...my mother has suggested yoga as she says I am very quick to anger and anger in extreme measures... but yoga is too... um... slow.


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29 Aug 2007, 4:29 pm

Vinyasa yoga! :)


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29 Aug 2007, 4:53 pm

Jainaday wrote:
Just remember to follow specific self defense training in a real confrontation. If it doesn't work when free sparring, or if it's "too dangerous to practice at full strength," don't count on it.


Thats the trouble though - none of that stuff (dangerous or not) has any meaning unless youve developed the psychological toughness to apply it extremely intimidating situation - you need to be able to instinctively inflict serious injury on another person without hesitation, probably whilst recieving alarming injuries yourself, fighting the natural defense reflexes to close your eyes/grab your wounds etc.

I dont have any experince in these matter myself, so i dont know if Krav Maga or RAD which you mentioned focus on these areas - really im just paraphrasing an ebook on knife fighting i read a few years back (which id be happy to email you)



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29 Aug 2007, 7:14 pm

I've been doing Wing Chun for over a year and a half. You're not going to fight strength with strength if you are not big. At the same time don't think you are going to be able to control something if you learn a few moves. It just has very little chance of working. It has taken a long time to be light and fast and not to over stress the muscles so I don't get tired out. Sure I've started to be able to make use of openings on the bigger guys, but I'm not delusional I wouldn't fancy my chances yet. It doesn’t all have to do with skill if anything you need more of it being small.

The more you struggle more the tired and more worn out you get. Peoples natural reaction if they try to poke someone in the eye and it gets intercepted is to try and force it some more and get more a more tired. They often don't think of using other moves. You can say it, but you don’t know you will be able to think straight in that situation.

One of the guys that goes to Wing Chun is also a Shaolin and Tai Ch’i Sifu. He invited some use to do forms and sparing with his students. He showed us this move. He said that his own master was asked by someone what size person would that move work on. He said ‘It will work on…’ and then pointed to a 6 year old boy. You can’t a guarantee any move will work in isolation.

Set moves are a bad idea the situation might not come up. You need develop enough knowledge and practice to be able to handle most things. If you just have your self defence moves, if it fails and it probably will you will be stuck.



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30 Aug 2007, 2:09 pm

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Jainaday wrote:
Just remember to follow specific self defense training in a real confrontation. If it doesn't work when free sparring, or if it's "too dangerous to practice at full strength," don't count on it.


Thats the trouble though - none of that stuff (dangerous or not) has any meaning unless youve developed the psychological toughness to apply it extremely intimidating situation - you need to be able to instinctively inflict serious injury on another person without hesitation, probably whilst recieving alarming injuries yourself, fighting the natural defense reflexes to close your eyes/grab your wounds etc.

I dont have any experince in these matter myself, so i dont know if Krav Maga or RAD which you mentioned focus on these areas - really im just paraphrasing an ebook on knife fighting i read a few years back (which id be happy to email you)


That would be cool. I think my yahoo address is on my profile here.

Krav Maga is what Israel uses to train it's army. . . .

And RAD (rape agression defense) is so focused on phychological preparation that I almost hesitate to take a course, because I'd sort of rather live my life than always be afraid.

For the moment I'll stick mostly with jujitsu. :)


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30 Aug 2007, 2:17 pm

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I've been doing Wing Chun for over a year and a half. You're not going to fight strength with strength if you are not big. At the same time don't think you are going to be able to control something if you learn a few moves. It just has very little chance of working. It has taken a long time to be light and fast and not to over stress the muscles so I don't get tired out. Sure I've started to be able to make use of openings on the bigger guys, but I'm not delusional I wouldn't fancy my chances yet. It doesn’t all have to do with skill if anything you need more of it being small.

The more you struggle more the tired and more worn out you get. Peoples natural reaction if they try to poke someone in the eye and it gets intercepted is to try and force it some more and get more a more tired. They often don't think of using other moves. You can say it, but you don’t know you will be able to think straight in that situation.

One of the guys that goes to Wing Chun is also a Shaolin and Tai Ch’i Sifu. He invited some use to do forms and sparing with his students. He showed us this move. He said that his own master was asked by someone what size person would that move work on. He said ‘It will work on…’ and then pointed to a 6 year old boy. You can’t a guarantee any move will work in isolation.

Set moves are a bad idea the situation might not come up. You need develop enough knowledge and practice to be able to handle most things. If you just have your self defence moves, if it fails and it probably will you will be stuck.



I've never done a belt exam in anything else, but for jujitsu, the first belt exam essentially consists of

-a few basic kicks and punches- roundhouse, jab and cross, etc.
- having a submission to work towards for each of the basic positions in grappling one might find one's self in (guard, mount, back, and side)

If shown submissions used for the yellowbelt test, they might look like set moves, but they're actually quite versatile.

I (having never extensively studied Wing Chun) think three months of concentrated self defense training would probably leave someone as prepared for a conflict as a year and a half of Wing Chun, but without as much to build on.

It doesn't take years to learn the very useful basics of how to handle one's self in a fight.


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31 Aug 2007, 11:55 am

Graelwyn wrote:
iceb wrote:
Sorry to hear that happened to you.

I really hate that flash of aggression when people do something like that. I have never been any good at being aggressive and have taught myself that I am far better than that, the anger just serves to remind me that I am not.

I still keep trying to take my inspiration from Gandhi.

If you allow the anger to stay with you the only person to get hurt is yourself.

You have met me you probably can guess I have had to take a lot of sh** by now I'm Teflon coated, it just falls off!

I would still wish I had my longbow with me if that had happened to me though :P


I did imagine you have taken a lot of crap, but I cannot imagine many trying it now as compared to when you were a child as you are quite tall and well built.
Actually, I am glad I am tall as it could be worse if I was shorter, tho I dont sometimes wonder if my height makes people more likely to attempt to harass me.
Either way, I know my anger is wrong...my mother has suggested yoga as she says I am very quick to anger and anger in extreme measures... but yoga is too... um... slow.


Yoga is good
I have always liked the idea of taking up Ti-Che It doesn't appeare to be as painful to do :)

Such things instil discipline and help control anger.

My problem is I don't anger I just get confused :?


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31 Aug 2007, 1:25 pm

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I <3 yoga. :)


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31 Aug 2007, 2:46 pm

My brother does Yoga and as a side effect of it, the weight has dropped right off him.
I think some of the moves as you get more advanced use just about every muscle in the body.


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31 Aug 2007, 3:27 pm

I am aggressive. I've got a criminal record for attacking a doctor in hospital, and I have bruised/drawn out knives at people close to me several times. But most of the time I'm actually quite a nice person. But deep inside, I just want to let go...

Writing about these things helps. But that lasts for a short while. I'm going to start doing kickboxing next term. I also do a hell of a lot of exercise to get rid of the huge excess energy in me.


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I've never done a belt exam in anything else, but for jujitsu, the first belt exam essentially consists of

-a few basic kicks and punches- roundhouse, jab and cross, etc.
- having a submission to work towards for each of the basic positions in grappling one might find one's self in (guard, mount, back, and side)

If shown submissions used for the yellowbelt test, they might look like set moves, but they're actually quite versatile.

I (having never extensively studied Wing Chun) think three months of concentrated self defense training would probably leave someone as prepared for a conflict as a year and a half of Wing Chun, but without as much to build on.

It doesn't take years to learn the very useful basics of how to handle one's self in a fight.


I'm sorry but if you've never done wing chun how can you come out with as stuff such as that?

Define a fight? Have you ever been assaulted before? It is a lot different from sparing.

I think jujitsu is a good martial as so much as I've heard about it. But don't think because you have learn something that appeared to work will be useful at the time. It may well be, but be smart.

Wing Chun is good for self defence but like any martial art it is only as good as the teacher and the lineage that they draws from.

I saw this, it is Wing Chun applied to self defence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMPscOcluJ0
This guy Samuel Kwok is my Sifu's Sifu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcNZTCrHUiE
Showing some fighting applications:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDnm0YiNfcA
Here is on a joint seminar with the late Carlson Gracie the Brazilian Jujitsu master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3jJ-lb7N8A

Actually Wing Chun is one of the faster martial arts to learn. Due to the fact that there are actually very small number of basic moves and it is very efficient and direct.



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01 Sep 2007, 4:04 pm

I am guessing all martial arts are relatively painful at times being as they are contact?


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