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23 Mar 2008, 1:35 am

I haven’t talked to you personally but I have read your posts here. I vaguely remember a picture you put up a while back when you said you were 140 lbs. You looked VERY thin back then.

Is your goal to be beautiful or is it to have zero fat on your body? Please be honest. I think you looked beautiful in your old picture. I remember everyone else saying you looked great too.

No woman is meant to have zero fat on her body. If that is your goal it will eventually kill you. Have you thought about this?

I don’t mean to make you feel worse, but I know fear is often the only motivator when we’re so overwhelmed with negative emotions. I think you're a great person. You’re very thoughtful and have a nice sense of humor on here. I sincerely hope you make it through this. I know this has to be the hardest thing in your life.

Much respect.



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23 Mar 2008, 1:41 am

Women are suppose to have more fat on them than men. That's why their skin is softer. My training is currently in pharmacology but they have made me take a lot of physiology classes so I do know more than most about these kinds of things.

(Of course, someone who specializes in exercise physiology, nutrition, or other related fields would know more than me but they make up a small fraction of the population. Trust me, go to the library and start reading. Or look for the info online. If you're planning to go or return to school, you might consider one of the fields I just mentioned.)

"In life, anything worth having never come easily" ...or something like that.


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23 Mar 2008, 1:45 am

Kamex,

You might be surprised with how differently you'll look if you bothered exercising. Even if I'm wrong, you'll still be healthier and stronger. You'll be able to kick as*hole ass.


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23 Mar 2008, 1:50 am

You fat! don't make me laugh, Your defiantly not!
8st12lb is not overweight (infact its less than half mine, allright I'm a little bit bigger :) ).
Not that it is in any way important, you are a lovely person I know I have met you and we are going to a concert in 4 weeks.


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23 Mar 2008, 2:03 am

Kamex wrote:
The way our society is set up, we only end up seeing the nakedness of people who are extremely good-looking. Most of the women you're trying to be like don't actually exist - they're photoshopped. Women are expected to be thin and young because it makes them weak and powerless. That way, men can dominate them.

You have two choices: You can carry on with what you're doing - let society think for you, let them tell you you are ugly and worthless and deserve to die, strive to please the people who tell you these things, however subtly, by doing what they want and kill yourself. You could also fight it. Realize how wrong and f**** up all this is and stop contributing to the problem.

Look at my avatar. Did you notice how my forehead is too big, how my nose is overly round and clown-shaped at the end, how one ear is lower than the other, and how my hair looks like a wig that's not on straight? Of course you didn't. I notice these things because I look at my own face every day, so I notice problems others don't. You have to realize that you always look a lot worse to yourself.

What you're feeling is an instinct. It is a desire to be sexually appealing. It is not logical, and even your very definition of sexually appealing is a lie.

I do not like my body. I have to wear an unbuttoned shirt over my t-shirt because my nipples stick out. My ass is too big, and it isn't too great-looking either, even at 20. My back is completely covered in stretch marks and acne, and I have other things I'm not happy with I'm not going to mention outside the adult forum. But this is because I'm comparing myself to this perfect image of a man with a handsome face and a 6-pack - the ones they show on packages for men's underwear because they know every guy wants to look like that. I'm not comparing myself to a normal, ordinary human being, and if I do that, I actually don't come out all that bad.

You know your thoughts about yourself are unhealthy. You can recognize them in others, so why can you not recognize them in yourself? If you're already unhappy about how old you look at only 33, you have a problem, and you need to be prepared for what you're going to look like at 70. My Grandpa is dieing of cancer. No one deserves that, and certainly not as a punishment for displeasing society's emaciophilic tastes. Come out of this!



I suggest you think before you make suggestion of my desiring to be sexually appealing as in fact, it is the opposite for the most part. I find the idea of sex repulsive and revolting.I find the idea of being some sort of sex object repugnant. If it were that I wished for, do you not think I would desire to have my curves rather than be rid of them ? These generalisations irritate me as does the notion that the reasons for my issues are so base and primitive or that I am influenced by fashion magazines and such bulls**t. I am not.



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23 Mar 2008, 2:09 am

Honestly, why the hell can you say you're fat at 125 lbs? That's skinny.

You should see a doctor for this problem, because 125 lbs isn't even fat in the slightest bit whatsoever. You are NOT fat at ALL.


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23 Mar 2008, 2:12 am

marshall wrote:
I haven’t talked to you personally but I have read your posts here. I vaguely remember a picture you put up a while back when you said you were 140 lbs. You looked VERY thin back then.

Is your goal to be beautiful or is it to have zero fat on your body? Please be honest. I think you looked beautiful in your old picture. I remember everyone else saying you looked great too.

No woman is meant to have zero fat on her body. If that is your goal it will eventually kill you. Have you thought about this?

I don’t mean to make you feel worse, but I know fear is often the only motivator when we’re so overwhelmed with negative emotions. I think you're a great person. You’re very thoughtful and have a nice sense of humor on here. I sincerely hope you make it through this. I know this has to be the hardest thing in your life.

Much respect.


It is the sight of flesh/fat on me that is bothering me much. I look down at myself, namely my butt and freak out. It colours how I see myself as a person overall. I see myself as deformed and repulsive because of this and I do have a lot of stretch marks from my weight loss in the past which really do make things look a lot, lot worse.

Looking in the mirror at myself sideways, standing normally, I can mostly see I look thin, but if I shift into certain postures, I see a rather unattractive backside and it just seems to set off rage in me.



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23 Mar 2008, 2:15 am

I was reading a thread you made some time before.

I think I too have OCD, although not as bad as yours and it now seems to be well under control. As a teenager, though, it was kinda annoying. I would snap my joints, all of them, so many times that my joints would hurt. I made a routine to make sure I snapped each one only once. To this day my joints don't quite snap like they use to and I'm barely 27.

I also had a toilet checking routine. I can laugh at it now. Imagine having to hold it in while you take some 30 seconds to go through a toilet checking routine.

Had I been born a girl, I too would've probably been anorexic. At least as a teenager.

What's annoying me now is this mild case of Touretts that I have. I wasn't aware of it until I started taking antidepressants. Now I blink (not regular blinks) or make weird smiles at random times during the day. It's not as bad as it sounds, though. It's still not so frequent that others have notice (or so I think).


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23 Mar 2008, 3:11 am

Graelwyn wrote:
It is the sight of flesh/fat on me that is bothering me much. I look down at myself, namely my butt and freak out. It colours how I see myself as a person overall. I see myself as deformed and repulsive because of this and I do have a lot of stretch marks from my weight loss in the past which really do make things look a lot, lot worse.

Looking in the mirror at myself sideways, standing normally, I can mostly see I look thin, but if I shift into certain postures, I see a rather unattractive backside and it just seems to set off rage in me.


Thanks for clearing things up. So it isn’t that you think you’re too heavy? You just don’t like the way the little bit of fat you have left is distributed? Correct me if I’m wrong. You can PM me if you feel like it.

I don't think people mean to be demeaning. It's just hard for them to understand what you’re thinking when you claim you’re fat since by anyone else’s standards you’re very thin.

In any case it’s impossible to change the way fat is distributed on your body by losing weight. The only way you could possibly change the way your rear end looks is by surgery. If fantasizing about getting liposuction stops you from wanting to lose weight then think about that. People may balk at that, but any thought that stops you from putting your life in jeopardy is good IMHO. Please don’t try and lose any more weight. You’ll just end up extremely sick or worse.



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23 Mar 2008, 7:37 am

No, you're not fat, old or worthless. :(
Like the above poster says, 'don't keep losing weight like this'. Nothing is ever too late...

I really hope you manage to get back up and are able to feel happy.
Good luck. We're all here to help. :)


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23 Mar 2008, 8:56 am

You wish you had cancer--I'm sure there'll be thousands upon thousands of people who'd love to trade you right now for theirs. Saying you wish for a disease that takes people in terrible ways through terrible pain, many of those who want to live is cowardice, selfishness and morally reprehensible.

If you want to die so much: die.



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23 Mar 2008, 9:56 am

I'd rather be large, and powerful. There's no way that a man's going to dominate Sid. :O) That's nice, since I am a big woman. :O)


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23 Mar 2008, 11:51 am

Danielismyname wrote:
You wish you had cancer--I'm sure there'll be thousands upon thousands of people who'd love to trade you right now for theirs. Saying you wish for a disease that takes people in terrible ways through terrible pain, many of those who want to live is cowardice, selfishness and morally reprehensible.

If you want to die so much: die.


Go to hell, you have the emotional capacity and the emotional understanding of a teaspoon. Hypocritical you are consdering the number of people you have told to die in this forum.Are you even human? I doubt it very much. Keep your mouth shut if you dont have any understanding of where someone is at.



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23 Mar 2008, 12:09 pm

Danielismyname wrote:
You wish you had cancer--I'm sure there'll be thousands upon thousands of people who'd love to trade you right now for theirs. Saying you wish for a disease that takes people in terrible ways through terrible pain, many of those who want to live is cowardice, selfishness and morally reprehensible.

If you want to die so much: die.


seriously dude

f**k you



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23 Mar 2008, 5:32 pm

Graelwyn wrote:
Go to hell, you have the emotional capacity and the emotional understanding of a teaspoon. Hypocritical you are consdering the number of people you have told to die in this forum.Are you even human? I doubt it very much. Keep your mouth shut if you dont have any understanding of where someone is at.


I probably will, but that's beside the point. I wouldn't discredit the ability of a spoon so easily, and in a way, that's a compliment for I like spoons. Hypocritical? I only want a few select people who deserve such to die, so not really, if you wish to die so much, and correct me if I'm wrong, you seem to say this often: die. You post it enough times, and well, you just don't seem to die, and I thought that perhaps you might need some encouragement; I'm quite thoughtful. If you hate your life so much, and you post this enough times too: take it.

I think I'm human, though I wish I weren't many times; I'd rather be a spoon or something as they don't hear the false wailings of the sheep time after time, and see how people come running with useless empathy time after time.

You seem to post where you're at in vivid detail, i.e., I wish I were dying in immense pain and with no dignity, and of an infliction that takes many, many people who don't want it.

And another insightful, and really, really thought provoking post by Kilroy.



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23 Mar 2008, 6:30 pm

Your opinion is worthless to me..
I do not consider you human.
Every human is entitled to need help from time to time.
I have not posted in months and months about my issues, I have every right to rant here and rave as much as the next person.
Just because you believe yourself to be so strong and perfect that you never need assistance or need to whine and whinge... I do not care. You can be as a robot. I would rather be human and have needs and flaws and express those needs.

A person is entitled to say they wish to die if at that point their life is unbearable. Many people say it. It does not give people like you the right to go around adding encouragement and further misery.

No-one has the right to turn around and tell someone they have no right to hit the same problem again and again nor talk about it. Some issues can take decades to resolve. That does not mean the person has no right to talk about it and ask for help and support. You cannot say I am not trying, you have no idea what efforts I make to try and help myself.

People with AS hit the same issues over and over and talk about them over and over, does that make them bleating sheep?

I don't give a F what you think of me, I give a F that I am off this site for 5 months and as soon as I post about issues I am having I get attacked by the likes of you for it.

Without having insight into my day to day life and struggles, you really have no right to do that.

This is the haven and the way you have responded to my thread is , to my knowledge, not supposed to be permitted. This is a place for people to post their distress and rages and anger and emotions.
Dont like to see it, then dont look.

You only ever give words that are not just blunt, but are also cruel and show no insight into the person's actual life and difficulties.

A person ha repeated problems and seeks help, it becomes attention seeking.

A person has difficulties overcoming their difficulties...they are suddenly a bleating sheep because they dont shut up and keep it to themselves until it destroys them for lack of support and insight.

This is the haven. It was put here for people to request help if and when they need it.

If after the 5-6 months I stopped posting, I hit issues, I have every right to talk about them.

And maybe I would quite gladly, were it possible, swap with someone with cancer so they could somehow use my life in a better manner.

Go ahead and tell me to die... I shall, if I reach the point of doing it, be sure to have someone send you a note to let you know I followed your oh so human advice.

If I am suffering and struggling and there is a place to reach out, by f'ing God I will reach out regardless of people like you who seem to believe there is a limited number of times a person is allowed to do so.



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