Seriously, why is there so much Misogyny on WrongPlanet?!

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31 Mar 2023, 8:20 pm

^ Not a large enough sample size to make a call about young women as a whole.

Why do you make everything about gender?



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31 Mar 2023, 8:22 pm

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^ Not a large enough sample size to make a call about gender.

Why do you make everything about gender?


I was asked a question about my daughter and was asked to relate it to her gender. Stop trying to move the goal posts



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31 Mar 2023, 8:23 pm

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I strongly suspect young women are picking up the worst kind of values I see it at my daughter's school, in public and in stories I hear from young men

I’m not moving the goal posts. I’m just referencing what you stated directly in your post.



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31 Mar 2023, 8:32 pm

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I strongly suspect young women are picking up the worst kind of values I see it at my daughter's school, in public and in stories I hear from young men

I’m not moving the goal posts. I’m just referencing what you stated directly in your post.


I thought the haven is a safe place to share our feelings and what we are seeing in the real world?



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31 Mar 2023, 8:33 pm

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I just don’t get the lack of compassion. We are all human beings. Having a penis shouldn’t entitle one to special treatment. Many humans know what loneliness feels like. It doesn’t need to be a men vs. women thing. IMO, making it so is utterly absurd.


Incoming rant:


Seriously. ^ Some of them act like it's a competition.
Why can't we all have an equal voice?

This isn't the "I have it worse than you" Olympics in L&D.
There's no winner or loser for who deserves support on a support forum.

I don't post stats about how many men are rapists, paedophiles, groomers, and abusers.
If I did, most men would flip out that they're not like that.
Chances are, they aren't. That's why I don't say it.

Somehow men can post that women are gold diggers and we use men for money.
We only like the premium males with the best bodies.
We're too picky and we're killing the human race.
They can prove it with stats.
We're supposed to smile and nod and pat them on the head?

Most women here and in my real life would rather die than take a man's money.
When women say this ^ or treat men equally, we're branded as psycho political Karens.
Even then, men still want to troll and shag us, and blame us for their loneliness.

This thread was started by a AMAB non-binary person who feels sorry for women.
Even then, the OP hasn't been taken seriously.

I guess we all need a shot of testosterone and we can all shut up.


I actually made threads about men who've suffered abuse and how they can get help.
Have men done the same for women?



Cyber - Thanks for the reply. I'll answer it separately.


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31 Mar 2023, 8:35 pm

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I strongly suspect young women are picking up the worst kind of values I see it at my daughter's school, in public and in stories I hear from young men

I’m not moving the goal posts. I’m just referencing what you stated directly in your post.


I thought the haven is a safe place to share our feelings and what we are seeing in the real world?

Sexist “observations” (confirmation bias) should have no place in The Haven. They could be very bad for people who are struggling.



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31 Mar 2023, 8:38 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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I strongly suspect young women are picking up the worst kind of values I see it at my daughter's school, in public and in stories I hear from young men

I’m not moving the goal posts. I’m just referencing what you stated directly in your post.


I thought the haven is a safe place to share our feelings and what we are seeing in the real world?


Yes it is.
But those thoughts and feelings in L&D often malign women as a whole.
We do not do the same to men.

Women here speak of specific situations which might involve a man or men.
We don't generalise that it's "all men".
We don't tell men their problems don't matter.
Most of the time we don't say anything at all, even when we're being harassed on site.


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31 Mar 2023, 8:41 pm

I don't know. Something isn't right in society at the moment and I am not sure how else to articulate what I am witnessing.



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31 Mar 2023, 8:48 pm

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I don't know. Something isn't right in society at the moment and I am not sure how else to articulate what I am witnessing.

You could talk about people in general rather than make a claim about young women as a whole.



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31 Mar 2023, 8:57 pm

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Correct me if I'm wrong.
Don't you have an autistic daughter?


I do, and her only friends are teenage boys in her class. 16-17 year old girls in her school are currently subjecting her to 24-7 bulling and use nearly every single type of flaw they can dig up (or make up) she might have to berate and bully her in the playground, in the classroom, on excursions, on the school bus and at sport's events, The latter is most sad since she was (ironically) elected a sports captain for cross country running. She had a brief popularity because she's good at sport but that was only a brief respite as the jealous little jezebels couldn't leave my daughter alone.

We protect our daughter now by identifying the little b*****s who send her hate mail via email/social media and have now managed to block them. So at least when she's home she doesn't have to be scared of them,

I strongly suspect young women are picking up the worst kind of values I see it at my daughter's school, in public and in stories I hear from young men.



My point was that you have an autistic daughter at an early-dating age, so I'm surprised you aren't more vocal about autistic women's sexual safety or the concerns of all members especially related to love, dating, and sexuality.

You said you want to segregate women's issues to a women's thread and men's issues to a men's thread, but then you said your autistic daughter's best friends are guys and they're better at supporting her than her female friends. Assuming you love your daughter and you'd want her to have the best support possible as an autistic woman, why would you want her relegated to a "women's thread" to get support from women instead of "all members" ?

If you're suggesting that men should be able to help her in the "women's thread", why do we need to specify by gender?

Does she read WP and is she a member? How would she feel about all the threads suggesting women are gold-diggers who only care about men for their muscles and wallets, instead of their personalities? How would she feel about "body count" and "friend zone" and all the other nonsense women here are supposed to tolerate?

How would you feel if men from WP tried grooming and exploiting her for sex, the way someone did to my daughter?

What does your wife say about all this?


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31 Mar 2023, 9:17 pm

DuckHairback wrote:
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We've gotta keep in mind men here are also on the spectrum and some can barely make 1 friend in a lifetime, and good impressions on first dates don't come naturally, the opposite, so their hopes are probably even lower than the hopes of NT men who had relative success, because of these things.


Yeah, you're right and it's really unfortunate. I guess I'm lucky because I did find a partner, but I was a virgin until 23 so I do know something about sexual frustration and the difficulty of finding love. I was friends with my partner for 4 years before she was ready to consider me a romantic partner. Friends first is a very valuable approach, particularly for ASD people because you get past the superficialities.



There are different degrees of autism.
As men can't speak for women...
And women can't speak for men...
An autistic male individual can't speak for all males on the spectrum.

BTW:
Women are from Venus...
Men are from Mars...
Autistic men are from Vulcan... V

Live long in frustration. 8)



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31 Mar 2023, 9:24 pm

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My point was that you have an autistic daughter at an early-dating age, so I'm surprised you aren't more vocal about autistic women's sexual safety or the concerns of all members especially related to love, dating, and sexuality.


Does she read WP and is she a member? How would she feel about all the threads suggesting women are gold-diggers who only care about men for their muscles and wallets, instead of their personalities? How would she feel about "body count" and "friend zone" and all the other nonsense women here are supposed to tolerate?


You've asked me both questions before. She is still not interested in autistic forums. She has select friends and was obsessed with a boy whom she is still caught up with. I think when she leaves school next year things might change.



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31 Mar 2023, 9:25 pm

Rexi wrote:
The pills are only a part of a person's beliefs, each individual is different.


The hell you say! 8O :mrgreen:


Rexi wrote:
Some don't even have pill ideologies.


I had no idea how many pills there were out there until you explained the "pill" ideology to me recently.
"Pink Pills", anyone? 8O

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That's why I proposed the community is important, sharing points and experience, as well as support because sometimes this can even lead to suicide ideation or other problems. I don't believe showing hostility or discrimination to these people especially in the haven would pay off to anyone. It's not impossible to understand the humanity and problems of the others.


What I found interesting is that the "Red Pill" ideology wasn't as feral as I was led to believe.
It is the "Black Pill" "which is the killer, pun intended. 8O



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31 Mar 2023, 9:37 pm

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I've been asked about statistics and I've been warned I will be thrown off this forum.



I am not sure why stats should threaten anyone.

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Assuming these stats are somewhat accurate, I find the information about men and women in the 18-29 age group interesting.
It seems that women are in relationships very significantly more than men.

EDIT: This is from cyberdad's link: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... ships-015/



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31 Mar 2023, 9:46 pm

^ I’m not sure where you pulled these numbers from, but even if it’s accurate and more men are single than women, still, a significant percentage of women are single. It’s nowhere near as skewed as some posters would have us believe.



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31 Mar 2023, 9:47 pm

cyberdad wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
My point was that you have an autistic daughter at an early-dating age, so I'm surprised you aren't more vocal about autistic women's sexual safety or the concerns of all members especially related to love, dating, and sexuality.


Does she read WP and is she a member? How would she feel about all the threads suggesting women are gold-diggers who only care about men for their muscles and wallets, instead of their personalities? How would she feel about "body count" and "friend zone" and all the other nonsense women here are supposed to tolerate?


You've asked me both questions before. She is still not interested in autistic forums. She has select friends and was obsessed with a boy whom she is still caught up with. I think when she leaves school next year things might change.


OK but still, hypothetically speaking, I'm surprised you'd want her to be stuck in a "women's thread" for support when you admit she prefers the friendship of guys. It seems like a big disconnect to me.

I prefer the friendship of guys too. Most of my best friends have been men. Maybe I have a "male brain" (I hate that term but some people relate to it), or maybe I've just been lucky enough to meet a few great men in my life. I don't like having my friendships with men devalued as "friend-zoning" on this site, or reading stats that say maybe I've friend-zoned excellent men because they aren't good enough for my exacting and demanding sexual standards. M-F friendship is entirely undervalued here even though you admit your daughter has lots of male friends.

It's weird how women aren't given a voice here regarding how they feel about men. If we say we really like (some) men as platonic friends, that's usually interpreted as meaning we're cold, materialistic snobs and we're too picky. I guess we're supposed to date / shag every man we care about as a friend? But ... if we do, then we're sluts because many of the men here only care about virgins or the age we gave it up. On the other hand if we say we don't like men as friends for whatever reason (hypothetically), then we're called misandrists.

If we say we have one really good male friend, we're told that they secretly want to shag us and it's impossible to just be friends. People even tease us about it as if we're having secret affairs with our friends. I've even had men here pretend they're having a "relationship" with me when they aren't. They do it for a status symbol or something I guess?

Why can't women here just hang out with whoever they want to, or get support wherever they find it, without people acting like we're having affairs with our male friends and simultaneously killing the planet by not having affairs with THEM?

All I'm asking for from you or anyone else, is for members to be respectful of EVERYONE.

It's amazing to me that this seems too much to ask, even for people who have daughters and partners on the spectrum.


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