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29 Mar 2019, 5:54 pm

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Or well, I suppose the right way to do things would be to give you the options of either keeping your social security money yourself and leaving her house or let her do what she does now.


It may seem a subtle difference, but this would be infinitely better than withholding his money. As it is his options are incredibly limited. If he got his money and had to pay her the same amount, he would have more options.

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I don't know much about any laws in the USA, but I'm pretty sure no law says that a woman needs to take care of her 30+ year old son if she doesn't want to. She's letting you stay out of the goodness of her heart, so the least you can do is let her keep that small amount of money without whining, because it's highly likely that it's nothing compared to how much expenses you cause her.


His mother is under no obligation to keep him under her roof, but she may be very misguided in what she thinks is good for him. It seems clear to me from his posts that his mother has a detrimental effect on his mental health, and he would better off finding another living situation.

I can't speak exactly how much money Marknis is getting but:

"It is not based on how severe your disability is or how much income you have. Most SSDI recipients receive between $800 and $1,800 per month (the average for 2019 is $1,234)."

Based on Marknis' location this is probably considerably higher than standard rent. Now with food costs (and laundry etc.) it may come out to about even, but I think it is unlikely Marknis is actually costing his mother any money.

His mother may be trying to help, but the results of her actions are quite harmful.


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29 Mar 2019, 11:50 pm

Fireblossom wrote:
I actually hope I'm misunderstanding something big time here and I'm so sorry if I am, but if I'm not...

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No, I have access to the money I make from work and I am glad I do or else I wouldn't be able to buy any music albums, books of any sort, video games, and the food I enjoy. She witholds my social security money by claiming it's my "rent" and that it helps her keep the house.


Your mother is doing nothing wrong. Or well, I suppose the right way to do things would be to give you the options of either keeping your social security money yourself and leaving her house or let her do what she does now.

I don't know how much this kind of money is, but since you're able to work (even if it's part time) and you're not living on your own, I'm pretty sure it can't be a lot. I highly doubt it covers all the expenses you bring to the household, so letting your mother take the money for necessary expenses that you are causing is the least you can do. I mean if you weren't living in her house but on your own, you'd have to pay for rent, electricity, water, internet, all your food (since you said "foods that you like" I assume that she at least sometimes prepares food that you get to eat too), necessary stuff like toilet paper, tissues, laundry detergent etc. I'm sorry if I've misunderstood and you actually do pay your share of this stuff, but I've seen you say nothing that would imply such a thing. None of it is free you know, it doesn't just magically appear to your place, your mom actually has to pay for them. Also, please tell me you take part in the housework (preparing your own food and cleaning your own room does not count when you're already an adult.) Please tell me you don't leave all the dish washing, laundry, vacuuming, dusting, washing the floors etc. to her. You're an adult man; you need to pull your own weigh. I don't know much about any laws in the USA, but I'm pretty sure no law says that a woman needs to take care of her 30+ year old son if she doesn't want to. She's letting you stay out of the goodness of her heart, so the least you can do is let her keep that small amount of money without whining, because it's highly likely that it's nothing compared to how much expenses you cause her.

Again, if I read too much in to it and you actually do pay and do your fair share of the household expenses and chores then sorry for blowing up, but it really sounds like you don't.


I do chores around the house and I do indeed pay for things like groceries and toiletries. I'd add more but I am burned out from the day and need to rest.



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30 Mar 2019, 1:12 am

Well in that case I apologize. Your message just made it sound like you don't. If what Antrax said is true then it's highly likely you get more on disability than what I earn from work. If you really get that much, it should be enough for independent living. Just demand it back from your mom and move out; if it's really that much you should easily be able to afford it.



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30 Mar 2019, 6:45 am

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Well in that case I apologize. Your message just made it sound like you don't. If what Antrax said is true then it's highly likely you get more on disability than what I earn from work. If you really get that much, it should be enough for independent living. Just demand it back from your mom and move out; if it's really that much you should easily be able to afford it.


HIs mom is his designated payee so she receives the money. He would need to obtain documentation (from a medical provider probably) that he is capable of being independent so that he would be the one receiving payments.

If living with his mother is so bad, that's where he would need to start.


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30 Mar 2019, 10:37 am

Once again I see people putting energy into this situation with little change on the OP's part. You all can continue to do that, but other than making Marknis feel heard, I don't see any change happening any time soon. All the suggestions are along the same lines, and this has been going on at least a year, but probably closer to two or three. I sometimes wonder, in fact, if this attention Marknis gets is merely prolonging his entrapment in a dysfunctional situation.

Nothing will change until Marknis decides to take action. He likes certain things about his life well enough to keep on keeping on. He makes a little income with which he can buy music and such. He has a roof over his head and food to eat. He does have medical care and a therapist. He does have a car. He has a job which he claims to hate, but many people with autism would love to have a similar job. He has a gym he could go to, but complains about that, too.

I wish Marknis well, but I think there is little to be gained in continuing to offer him the same suggestions repeatedly. He knows what he needs to do. He just can't, or won't, do it. His life, his choice.


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30 Mar 2019, 10:53 am

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Once again I see people putting energy into this situation with little change on the OP's part. You all can continue to do that, but other than making Marknis feel heard, I don't see any change happening any time soon. All the suggestions are along the same lines, and this has been going on at least a year, but probably closer to two or three. I sometimes wonder, in fact, if this attention Marknis gets is merely prolonging his entrapment in a dysfunctional situation.

Nothing will change until Marknis decides to take action. He likes certain things about his life well enough to keep on keeping on. He makes a little income with which he can buy music and such. He has a roof over his head and food to eat. He does have medical care and a therapist. He does have a car. He has a job which he claims to hate, but many people with autism would love to have a similar job. He has a gym he could go to, but complains about that, too.

I wish Marknis well, but I think there is little to be gained in continuing to offer him the same suggestions repeatedly. He knows what he needs to do. He just can't, or won't, do it. His life, his choice.


Exactly. Especially: "I sometimes wonder, in fact, if this attention Marknis gets is merely prolonging his entrapment in a dysfunctional situation." (Bea)

The cycle of complaint, others listen and make suggestions, complainer says "yes, but" and it goes on and on.

Like Bea, Mark I wish you the best. I also realize that people can't change for reasons others can't possibly understand. I don't blame you for this. Just hoping for a little awareness. :heart:


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30 Mar 2019, 12:14 pm

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Like Bea, Mark I wish you the best. I also realize that people can't change for reasons others can't possibly understand. I don't blame you for this. Just hoping for a little awareness. :heart:

Well if he can't change, that's really only his loss. If he can't change, his relationship status most likely won't change either.



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30 Mar 2019, 12:28 pm

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Like Bea, Mark I wish you the best. I also realize that people can't change for reasons others can't possibly understand. I don't blame you for this. Just hoping for a little awareness. :heart:

Well if he can't change, that's really only his loss. If he can't change, his relationship status most likely won't change either.


I would feel like I could change if things in life didn't feel like mind numbing slogs. Everything I've done feels like a static cycle.



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30 Mar 2019, 12:31 pm

Marknis wrote:
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Like Bea, Mark I wish you the best. I also realize that people can't change for reasons others can't possibly understand. I don't blame you for this. Just hoping for a little awareness. :heart:

Well if he can't change, that's really only his loss. If he can't change, his relationship status most likely won't change either.


I would feel like I could change if things in life didn't feel like mind numbing slogs. Everything I've done feels like a static cycle.

What would need to be different in order for you to make the positive changes I've suggested?



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30 Mar 2019, 6:14 pm

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I wish Marknis well, but I think there is little to be gained in continuing to offer him the same suggestions repeatedly. He knows what he needs to do. He just can't, or won't, do it. His life, his choice.


I don't believe you and I do not know what I need to do.



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30 Mar 2019, 6:38 pm

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
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The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
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Like Bea, Mark I wish you the best. I also realize that people can't change for reasons others can't possibly understand. I don't blame you for this. Just hoping for a little awareness. :heart:

Well if he can't change, that's really only his loss. If he can't change, his relationship status most likely won't change either.


I would feel like I could change if things in life didn't feel like mind numbing slogs. Everything I've done feels like a static cycle.

What would need to be different in order for you to make the positive changes I've suggested?


EDIT: Indecisive about what needs to be different.



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30 Mar 2019, 8:44 pm

Marknis wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Marknis wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
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Like Bea, Mark I wish you the best. I also realize that people can't change for reasons others can't possibly understand. I don't blame you for this. Just hoping for a little awareness. :heart:

Well if he can't change, that's really only his loss. If he can't change, his relationship status most likely won't change either.


I would feel like I could change if things in life didn't feel like mind numbing slogs. Everything I've done feels like a static cycle.

What would need to be different in order for you to make the positive changes I've suggested?


EDIT: Indecisive about what needs to be different.


Marknis you know your life better than any of us. Many here believe it would be good of you to separate yourself from the toxic detractors in your life.

I believe you would be a lot happier and able to make the changes in your life that you want if you could move out from your Mother's house. My believing it doesn't make it true, but I would encourage you to consider the possibility.

I actually relate strongly to "I know I need to make a change, but I don't know what change I need to make." Listening to other people has helped me.


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30 Mar 2019, 9:03 pm

Marknis wrote:
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I wish Marknis well, but I think there is little to be gained in continuing to offer him the same suggestions repeatedly. He knows what he needs to do. He just can't, or won't, do it. His life, his choice.


I don't believe you and I do not know what I need to do.

Then go back through all 24+ pages of this thread and write down on a pad everything that has been suggested, and when the suggestions are repeats, make a tally mark for each repetition. You will find things like emancipate from your mother, move out, find out how to get control of your Social Security income and do so, spend some time in a mental hospital if necessary, etc. Almost nobody is suggesting you should go find a girlfriend. All the things people suggest have to do with growing up and becoming an independent adult.


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30 Mar 2019, 10:31 pm

Marknis wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Marknis wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
Like Bea, Mark I wish you the best. I also realize that people can't change for reasons others can't possibly understand. I don't blame you for this. Just hoping for a little awareness. :heart:

Well if he can't change, that's really only his loss. If he can't change, his relationship status most likely won't change either.


I would feel like I could change if things in life didn't feel like mind numbing slogs. Everything I've done feels like a static cycle.

What would need to be different in order for you to make the positive changes I've suggested?


EDIT: Indecisive about what needs to be different.

Then your first step is figuring out what you want.

If you could get a girlfriend whether or not you moved out of your mother's place, would you want to move out of your mother's place?

If you could get a girlfriend whether or not you upskilled and got a better-paying job with more hours, would you want to do that for the greater degree of financial freedom it would grant you?

If you could get a girlfriend whether or not you lost weight and changed your current trajectory of developing diabetes, would you want to do that?

What changes in your life besides getting a girlfriend are important to you? What would you like your life to look like when you do invite a woman into it?

First you need to set some goals that are axhievable and important to you. Next you analyse the options you have to achieve them, and then you plot a path that will get you there, and stay on that path.

As you are now, you're no more likely to get a girlfriend than you have been for the last 10 years, but if you set and achieve some life goals that will make you more appealing to a prospective partner, the likelihood of you getting a partner. In other words, the more you work on getting your life together, the higher the chance you have of finding a girlfriend.

Women don't want a 30 year-old pre-diabetic overweight guy who works a part-time unskilled job and who has never moved out of his mum's place. What's in it for a woman to get involved with you when she can find a man who lives out of home, is in reasonable shape and is employed full-time and financially stable? The only women you'd ever have a chance with are those who are too undesirable to get a man who's at a healthy weight, who can't get an independent man, and who can't get with a man who's financially stable, and there aren't very many w/o.en like that, and those who do exist might prefer to remain single than to settle for a guy in your situation anyway.



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31 Mar 2019, 1:30 am

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I'm sure there are other places than church where socializing is possible over there, if not in your town then the closest bigger city.

No idea what that second part has to do with anything I said or why'd you suddenly brought it up... I suppose this is a good example of you being bad at socializing, bringing up something that is barely tied to the subject at hand.


I will say the last times I've gone to the mall, I've seen a lot of people, especially younger people, hanging out. But in my experience, people who already have company with them aren't interested in expanding their social connections. I've tried to engage people who had company with them and they didn't look interested in making friends with me at all. I've also been told I am considered "too old" to hang out with the 20's crowd and thinking about dating someone of the opposite sex in her 20's apparently makes me "creepy" even though I've seen young women dating men in their 40's or above.


That's my experience too, but then again maybe you and I just aren't the kind of people who attract others to us... maybe we unknowingly send some wrong signal or don't send some signal that we should.
I too get told I'm too old to hang out with my sister (she's 19 and I'm 24) and her friends... well, on average the mentality between 19 year olds and 24 year olds is often a bit big... maybe I'm too childlike for my age? Of course, this goes for people in their early twenties and early thirties as well; normally people wouldn't consider them to have much in common unless they work or study together... or share the same hobby.
As for the dating part, depends on the culture I suppose. It certainly would be frowned upon here, but our president has a wife 15 years younger than him so it's not a complete taboo... then again, even the wife is in her forties so it's different. I'd still say you should aim for women closer to your age though; most women aren't that fond of attention from older men and especially socially awkward older men are often considered red flags for safety reasons. Worst case, you could get in to major trouble for flirting with a younger girl.


I've actually seen some women write online that they preferred older men because they thought younger men were too immature and that only reinforced my fear that the number of single women was even lower than how it appeared around me as well as my fear of being single in my 20's. I even read a story from a guy who liked a girl in high school but she let a man who was 40 have sex with her despite being underaged. I hated seeing men in their 40's dating women in their 20's or even below that (18-19 though rednecks and hip-hop thugs can't control themselves when it comes to teens and pre-teens).



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31 Mar 2019, 3:42 am

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I wish Marknis well, but I think there is little to be gained in continuing to offer him the same suggestions repeatedly. He knows what he needs to do. He just can't, or won't, do it. His life, his choice.


I don't believe you and I do not know what I need to do.

Then go back through all 24+ pages of this thread and write down on a pad everything that has been suggested, and when the suggestions are repeats, make a tally mark for each repetition.


This is a really good idea. I would be interested to see the results.

Markins you should do this and post your list. Please do it.