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27 Jan 2016, 12:49 pm

I'm totally out of place on this website. Never have I felt so unwelcome and unwanted. It would seem even among other autistics I'm completely deranged and loony. I suppose I should see myself out sooner or later.



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27 Jan 2016, 1:10 pm

I don't think you're deranged and loony.



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27 Jan 2016, 10:00 pm

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I'm totally out of place on this website. Never have I felt so unwelcome and unwanted. It would seem even among other autistics I'm completely deranged and loony. I suppose I should see myself out sooner or later.

I'm more deranged and loony than you are. IOW you are among friends :alien:



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28 Jan 2016, 10:19 pm

F@(k you for making me care. F@(k you for making me hurt. F@(k you for making me cry. I usually accept the bumps in life, but you have been a waste. A condescending, derogatory waste of murkiness. F@(k your games that you use to shield from consequence. You have poisoned every refuge with disingenuousness.

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30 Jan 2016, 6:28 am

I can't sleep again cause the mistakes of the past are relentless, I am a failure socially and can't even get along with my own kind. I want to die again and am even willing to feel the pain to exit but I don't see a point, it'll just hurt more people. Commit suicide, hurt people; stay alive, hurt people. It never ends and my heart is conflicted, a part of me is cold to anything and another part of me regrets everything. I don't see a purpose of my life other than to hurt people and damn it its not what I wanted. It wasn't my intention to hate any man or have any man hate me. How did I miss the mark so completely? How did my true intentions not show through to the world around me?



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30 Jan 2016, 3:21 pm

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I can't sleep again cause the mistakes of the past are relentless, I am a failure socially and can't even get along with my own kind. I want to die again and am even willing to feel the pain to exit but I don't see a point, it'll just hurt more people. Commit suicide, hurt people; stay alive, hurt people. It never ends and my heart is conflicted, a part of me is cold to anything and another part of me regrets everything. I don't see a purpose of my life other than to hurt people and damn it its not what I wanted. It wasn't my intention to hate any man or have any man hate me. How did I miss the mark so completely? How did my true intentions not show through to the world around me?

all that is why I'm a hermit. I hurt no one this way and I am out of the way of other people so they are less likely to hurt me. :alien:



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31 Jan 2016, 1:57 am

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dcj123 wrote:
I can't sleep again cause the mistakes of the past are relentless, I am a failure socially and can't even get along with my own kind. I want to die again and am even willing to feel the pain to exit but I don't see a point, it'll just hurt more people. Commit suicide, hurt people; stay alive, hurt people. It never ends and my heart is conflicted, a part of me is cold to anything and another part of me regrets everything. I don't see a purpose of my life other than to hurt people and damn it its not what I wanted. It wasn't my intention to hate any man or have any man hate me. How did I miss the mark so completely? How did my true intentions not show through to the world around me?

all that is why I'm a hermit. I hurt no one this way and I am out of the way of other people so they are less likely to hurt me. :alien:

Sleepless hermit no. 3 here.
dcj123, I know how you feel. Why is it that night time is so terrible for these kinds of thoughts? If it is some small comfort, know that you are not alone.



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31 Jan 2016, 2:23 am

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auntblabby wrote:
dcj123 wrote:
I can't sleep again cause the mistakes of the past are relentless, I am a failure socially and can't even get along with my own kind. I want to die again and am even willing to feel the pain to exit but I don't see a point, it'll just hurt more people. Commit suicide, hurt people; stay alive, hurt people. It never ends and my heart is conflicted, a part of me is cold to anything and another part of me regrets everything. I don't see a purpose of my life other than to hurt people and damn it its not what I wanted. It wasn't my intention to hate any man or have any man hate me. How did I miss the mark so completely? How did my true intentions not show through to the world around me?

all that is why I'm a hermit. I hurt no one this way and I am out of the way of other people so they are less likely to hurt me. :alien:

Sleepless hermit no. 3 here.
dcj123, I know how you feel. Why is it that night time is so terrible for these kinds of thoughts? If it is some small comfort, know that you are not alone.

a little gem that has given me much comfort, I pass it to you all-

To the Loneliest One

There is in certain living souls
A quality of loneliness unspeakable
So great it must be shared
As company is shared by lesser beings.
Such a loneliness is mine; so know by this
That in immensity
There is one lonelier than you."

[Theodore Sturgeon- 1918-1985]

"Perhaps in the end, all that matters is this: that even to loneliness, there is an end, for those who are lonely enough, long enough...



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31 Jan 2016, 2:09 pm

Hi! I wasn't sure whether I could make an entirely new forum post about this, so when I came across the Rants forum post, I realised it'd be safer to just leave a comment here. Hope it's ok to.

Before I go on my spiel, I want to be up front and honest. I'm 22/female, and a few months ago a psychologist (presumably; I actually can't remember if he was a psychologist or psychiatrist) who specialised in Autism started me on the road to getting a diagnosis. I wanted to bring this up because I didn't want to feel like a deceiver; as if I were going on and on about having Autism without having gotten a proper, official diagnosis. It still feels... kinda wrong of me to make a forum post comment here, but I don't know where else to turn about all the mixed feelings I've been habouring.

... I'm scared of getting an official diagnosis. The way the psychologists and psychiatrists spoke, they seemed certain that I have it. I've been referred to the Disability Services Commission for review, but I keep putting the whole situation off because I'm scared they're right. I'm scared of what being autistic means, at least, of what it means to me. Having doctors bring it up and try to help me with it has left me with a small sense of relief, that there might have at least been a reason for why I was always so weird and couldn't seem to grow out of it when teenagehood was left behind. But I'm still left with this pervasive thought: "you're defective". It keeps me from wanting to know for sure.

I want to clarify: I don't at all think autistic people are defective, or wrong or anything of the like. I think it's extremely likely these fears about being autistic stem from my Depression, from my obsession with being correct all the time. Every time I screw up, it hurts so. damn. much. to be corrected. I feel like an absolute failure. If I were to be told any sense of normality was completely out of my grasp, that I was born different from everyone I know and had no hope of being the same, I don't know how I'd react. I'm probably dramatising this so much, ehehe. If you've read this far, I hope you're not rolling your eyes and closing the page.

And thus we get to the meat of my forum post comment (FINALLY). How did those of you who're on the autistic spectrum come to grips with this? How old were you? Was it easier, knowing from a younger age? For those who learnt later in life: was it harder? I've been so torn up about this lately. I sit and sit, doing nothing but ruminating on the subject and wondering what to do. People are always telling me "Be yourself!", when I know what they really mean is "Be yourself, but in a way that makes me happy!"
"You shouldn't care what other people think, but please remember to care what I think!"
It feels so, so much like the rules get changed constantly, like there's a hidden subtext to what they say and I'm expected to pick it up. I'm not even sure I want to be alive if it means I'll never 'get it'. I'm just... so sick of being incorrect. I just want to get along with people the way others get along with people. Is it wrong of me to want to fit in better?

I apologise deeply for such a verbose and meandering forum post comment. Furthermore, I hope to goodness I didn't seem rude or intolerant or offensive. Thank you for reading this far, and I look forward to hearing back from people.



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31 Jan 2016, 2:39 pm

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And thus we get to the meat of my forum post comment (FINALLY). How did those of you who're on the autistic spectrum come to grips with this? How old were you? Was it easier, knowing from a younger age? For those who learnt later in life: was it harder? I've been so torn up about this lately. I sit and sit, doing nothing but ruminating on the subject and wondering what to do. People are always telling me "Be yourself!", when I know what they really mean is "Be yourself, but in a way that makes me happy!"
"You shouldn't care what other people think, but please remember to care what I think!"
It feels so, so much like the rules get changed constantly, like there's a hidden subtext to what they say and I'm expected to pick it up. I'm not even sure I want to be alive if it means I'll never 'get it'. I'm just... so sick of being incorrect. I just want to get along with people the way others get along with people. Is it wrong of me to want to fit in better?

hiya WE :) welcome to the club 8)
to try to answer your question, I learned early on that I was warped [school shrinks said I had traits of HF autism and that i was schizotypal] but I didn't get a formal dx to AS until my early 40s so I guess I sorta experienced it both ways. I was always an outcast and knew i wasn't put together quite right but the DX gave me a fuller explanation. and I have gotten comfort from this old ted Geisel quote- "be who you are and say what you feel, because the people who matter don't mind, and the people who mind don't matter."



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31 Jan 2016, 2:40 pm

Welcome to WP, WeakEnd! I was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was 7. When I first heard about the diagnosis, I wasn't happy because I wanted to be normal. I didn't consider myself autistic for a long time. But now I've come to terms with the diagnosis and even like having Asperger's. It was probably good that I got diagnosed early, because I got social skills help and understanding for my behaviours.



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31 Jan 2016, 3:04 pm

Hi auntblabby, TheAP. Thank you so much for the warm welcomes, I was beginning to sit here stressing about what sort of replies I'd meet. That's not so much about the people who frequent here; more just the fact it's hard to know if what I say comes off right or not, hehe.

@auntblabby, you mentioned you felt like an outcast and that you weren't put together right. How did you cope with feeling that way? It makes me happy to hear you got some sort of closure(?) eventually though; regarding this, did it change anything for you? You said it gave you a fuller explanation, but do you think knowing was worth it?

@TheAP, I have to admit I'm a little envious of you, and through extension, people with similar backgrounds ehehe. I spend a lot of time wondering whether I'd have felt any different if the Autism had been caught earlier, like yours was. It kind of makes me wonder... would I have developed Depression? Would I have grown up feeling inferior to everyone? Could I have integrated better? I do better socially, now that I'm older, but I still feel like I have a long way to go.

I hear it's not too uncommon for people with Autism to develop Depression and/or Anxiety. Did either of you experience such mental health issues, either growing up or into adulthood?



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31 Jan 2016, 3:12 pm

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Hi auntblabby, TheAP. Thank you so much for the warm welcomes, I was beginning to sit here stressing about what sort of replies I'd meet. That's not so much about the people who frequent here; more just the fact it's hard to know if what I say comes off right or not, hehe.
@auntblabby, you mentioned you felt like an outcast and that you weren't put together right. How did you cope with feeling that way? It makes me happy to hear you got some sort of closure(?) eventually though; regarding this, did it change anything for you? You said it gave you a fuller explanation, but do you think knowing was worth it?
@TheAP, I have to admit I'm a little envious of you, and through extension, people with similar backgrounds ehehe. I spend a lot of time wondering whether I'd have felt any different if the Autism had been caught earlier, like yours was. It kind of makes me wonder... would I have developed Depression? Would I have grown up feeling inferior to everyone? Could I have integrated better? I do better socially, now that I'm older, but I still feel like I have a long way to go. I hear it's not too uncommon for people with Autism to develop Depression and/or Anxiety. Did either of you experience such mental health issues, either growing up or into adulthood?

join the club about all those concerns, that is why I'm a hermit, because only in this mode can I be assured that I won't offend anybody and they won't offend me :alien: and more knowledge is IMHO ALWAYS better than less knowledge. so yes it was worth it, in spades. it gave me a more formal reason as to why my life to that point was in the toilet, and it gave me a bit of a road map as to how to get it out of the toilet. before that point I just "coped" by denial/pushing it to the back of my mind, anger at other people for failing to bother trying harder to understand me, feeling like a stranger in a strange and hostile land. that last bit never goes away totally. dysthymia and ADHD [inattentive subtype] complicated things further, IOW I was brought up to believe I was lazy/crazy/stupid/clumsy/defective in general. at least as a hermit I can be those things and not bother anybody.



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31 Jan 2016, 3:34 pm

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join the club about all those concerns, that is why I'm a hermit, because only in this mode can I be assured that I won't offend anybody and they won't offend me :alien: and more knowledge is IMHO ALWAYS better than less knowledge. so yes it was worth it, in spades. it gave me a more formal reason as to why my life to that point was in the toilet, and it gave me a bit of a road map as to how to get it out of the toilet. before that point I just "coped" by denial/pushing it to the back of my mind, anger at other people for failing to bother trying harder to understand me, feeling like a stranger in a strange and hostile land. that last bit never goes away totally. dysthymia and ADHD [inattentive subtype] complicated things further, IOW I was brought up to believe I was lazy/crazy/stupid/clumsy/defective in general. at least as a hermit I can be those things and not bother anybody.

That part about more knowledge being better than less definitely makes sense. I've always been ambivalent about things like that, otherwise; what comes to mind is that phrase "it's better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all". I sometimes wonder about doing things that might lead to more heartache, especially when it comes to myself (the biggest baby of all, haha). However, I understand the two situations aren't really the same, and do indeed take your advisement on board.
Denial is my middle name, ahaha. I know all about not acknowledging things until the last minute. I don't take pride in it, more... find a weary sort of hilarity in it.
I'm sorry to hear you never really received support growing up. It makes me thankful for my mum, that she doesn't try to make me feel bad for what I can and can't do. She doesn't always understand, but it makes me happy she tries.



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31 Jan 2016, 3:45 pm

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@TheAP, I have to admit I'm a little envious of you, and through extension, people with similar backgrounds ehehe. I spend a lot of time wondering whether I'd have felt any different if the Autism had been caught earlier, like yours was. It kind of makes me wonder... would I have developed Depression? Would I have grown up feeling inferior to everyone? Could I have integrated better? I do better socially, now that I'm older, but I still feel like I have a long way to go.

I hear it's not too uncommon for people with Autism to develop Depression and/or Anxiety. Did either of you experience such mental health issues, either growing up or into adulthood?

It's really impossible to say whether you would have developed depression or not. Nevertheless, yes, I know I am lucky to have been diagnosed early. I haven't been diagnosed with anything besides Asperger's, but I do have some anxiety issues due to my obsessive tendencies.



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That part about more knowledge being better than less definitely makes sense. I've always been ambivalent about things like that, otherwise; what comes to mind is that phrase "it's better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all". I sometimes wonder about doing things that might lead to more heartache, especially when it comes to myself (the biggest baby of all, haha). However, I understand the two situations aren't really the same, and do indeed take your advisement on board. Denial is my middle name, ahaha. I know all about not acknowledging things until the last minute. I don't take pride in it, more... find a weary sort of hilarity in it.
I'm sorry to hear you never really received support growing up. It makes me thankful for my mum, that she doesn't try to make me feel bad for what I can and can't do. She doesn't always understand, but it makes me happy she tries.

I sailed on Denial [wordplay] until I almost drowned in it. now I must face my problems as best I can. god bless moms :heart: