What's your opinion on medical marijuana?

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14 May 2011, 8:51 am

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I think that a substantial percentage of diagnosed schizophrenics are thought to be such because of frequent marijuana use-
even if you stop, some people's brains keep generating perceptions absent of external stimuli.


I disagree with that, people who usually suffer schizophrenia or other mental related illness's will already have a Chinese in their armour as part of their genetic make-up before any sort of substance abuse. Attempting to blame it on weed, alcohol or other drugs is too easy and a bit of a cop-out in my opinion.



Well whether you disagree or not, pot smokers are twice as likely to develop schizophrenia than non-smokers, and genetics alone is at this point only considered to fully-account for 50% of schizophrenia cases. A causal effect between MJ and schizophrenia has been considered anecdotally evident for decades, and the chicken vs egg specifics empirically-concluded since a very large study of 4,000 young adults was published in the May issue of last year's Archives of General Psychiatry, finding that the risk of any one individual being diagnosed with schizophrenia was directly-proportional to their marijuana usage. This is consistent with a 2007 study done by Cardiff University's School of Medicine in Wales finding a more than 40% increase in likelihood of developing a psychotic illness later in life when young people smoked pot regularly, even if they later quit, and a 2005 study at Albert Einstein College of Medicine utilizing diffusion tensor imaging to show VISIBLE abnormalities in a pathway critical to auditory and visual functioning between cannabis-exposed patients and their non-drug using peers.

It's not an issue of "attempt", "blaming", or "cop-outs"- those are simply the facts.

It could vary well be that cannabis in COMBINATION with genetics triggers psychosis, but that would mean my original point still stands-
you take the risk when you smoke the drug.
Marijuana use has skyrocketed since the 60's, yet the prevalence of schizophrenia is still statistically the same. You're getting correlation/causation mixed up. Schizo's often self-medicate.



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16 May 2011, 4:24 am

I never tried marijuana & I'm straight_edge but I would be interested in trying the pill form of medical marijuana for Essential Tremors if it was legal in my state. I've researched it a bit & talked to lots of pot-heads & marijuana seems a lot safer than the the side-effects of the other meds I tried. The government has a problem with it because they are worried that it would lead to abuse & send the wrong message to kids yet I see add for persecution only meds on TV all the time. It seems extremely hypocritical to me


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16 May 2011, 6:01 am

Bethie wrote:
I think that a substantial percentage of diagnosed schizophrenics are thought to be such because of frequent marijuana use-
even if you stop, some people's brains keep generating perceptions absent of external stimuli.


cannabidiol(CBD) is an anti-psychotic. that turns the whole psychosis debate on its head.

most of the research ive seen (and all the press) on the issue has been absolute junk, although im not up to date.

The ratio of CBD to THC in a given sample is absolutely critical. It might be that for whatever reason (intensive farming/breeding..) the widely available stuff in western nations has very low CBD, this is extremely significant to a user vulnerable to psychosis; They might continue to do something harmful, because they sense that on some level they are self-medicating. Even one of the researchers behind one of the psychosis studies suggested said the best thing would be for regulated sale with CBD ratios analysed and clearly displayed.


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I also think you're risking respiratory illness of several types when you inhale organic substances into your lungs.


I should think vaporizing is quite safe (assuming pure glass apparatus & low temps, some of the devices ive seen have frightening materials in) it might even have an anti-tumour effect.



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16 May 2011, 6:12 am

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I never tried marijuana & I'm straight_edge but I would be interested in trying the pill form of medical marijuana for Essential Tremors if it was legal in my state. I've researched it a bit & talked to lots of pot-heads & marijuana seems a lot safer than the the side-effects of the other meds I tried. The government has a problem with it because they are worried that it would lead to abuse & send the wrong message to kids yet I see add for persecution only meds on TV all the time. It seems extremely hypocritical to me


imo government stances are primarily dictated by corporate interest. Sure, they have to cater towards public opinion, but that can be manufactured & controlled to a large degree. Its the financial and corporate eleite who have the real sway.

Like probably most issues this is more of a corporate/ industrial reason. It was arguably outlawed in the first place to protect the textile industry (this is when synthetic fibres were starting to be patented). Some people take loads of pills daily for cannabis-treatable conditions. Loss of revenue to the pharmaceutical industry alone would be astronomical.



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16 May 2011, 1:42 pm

I think it's good it's legal for medical use. It helps get rid of the pain people are in.



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17 May 2011, 1:03 am

I am 100% for it, either for medicine or recreation. I am not a smoker now and have rarely been in my life.

If I knew a grower who could get me the right stuff I would love to smoke on occasion. It's a fact that smoking saved my life 5 years ago, and I only smoked for about 2 months. It showed me that I could be happy even though my life was crushed. And then I didn't need it anymore.

The only reason I don't smoke is because it does increase my anxiety. A pure Indica plant at low doses relieves anxiety and depression for me, while Sativa can send me into anxiety trips (too bad it's the most intense for music. movies, and writing also). I have to watch my moods when I use it. But Indica does all these things as well, but effects the body more strongly than the mind. I can't find pure strains without a medical card and I don't have a way to get one (though I would qualify).

You can't buy the stuff on the street because 90% of dealers are idiots. Obviously risking prison to sell "bomb" s**t is their life. But they don't know what strain they have and most use chemicals close to harvesting. America ruined a plant. Really.

If you are against marijuana it's because of sociological poison and the unwillingness to think for yourself. It's one of those personal freedoms that others have no business telling you what to do. Go drink yourself to death and take your doctors poison, smokers won't stop you, so don't stop them.



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17 May 2011, 11:55 am

I could care less about what people do regarding weed. It's when they try to legalize cocaine and heroine I'll have a problem.

Personally, I wouldn't do medical marijuana. Inhaling smoke doesn't exactly work for me (especially after finding out my grandfather is clinging to life with failed lungs after a life of intermediate smoking). And in all likely hood, I'd get hooked. I've been known for eating and drinking things I like until I run out of whatever it is or my stomach hurts; A bottle of root bear gone in 45 seconds, a bag of skittles in 60, etc. I feel the same thing would happen with a box of joints, bottles of beer, or other potentially harmful things.



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17 May 2011, 1:21 pm

Should it be legalized? No idea, can't say i've done any research per se. Its actually found a pretty good balance if you ask me for medical usage. The only time I really see it argued that it should be legalized for recreational purposes are from people who smoked it young and weren't knowledgable enough to know the pros and cons in the first place.

You're not going to tell me that an 17-18 year old user (or whenever they started) sought it out for the right reasons. Just sounds like people have smoked it for years and now would rather keep their habit then be without it. There is almost too much bias in most arguments "for" smoking it. That said, i'm for anything with a legit medical purpose.

I'm not for abuse of marijuana, alcohol or cigarettes the latter which is causing my relative severe health problems. As far as whether it could be used recreationally in moderation? Maybe, but they'd need to have some new laws to keep usage moderately appropriate.



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17 May 2011, 2:17 pm

Yes, it should be legalized. It can work, and frankly, the only reason alcohol and tobacco are still legal is because most states make a buck of it. I can only say for Germany, but since tax on alcohol and tobacco are transaction taxes, the net gain for the state is around 95%. In comparisson, the net gain from income tax is well below 30%, meaning that the most money acquired through income tax is used to fund its collection. I doubt these numbers differ much for most western countries. The thing that just bugs me is that there is no objective reason to legalize it in a controlled manner, and since acquiring the stuff is extremely easy in Germany, I know alot of stoners. Don't get me wrong, I don't touch the stuff, and smoking pot all day long does you no good, but to quote Robin Williams: "I've never met me an angry potsmoker."



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18 May 2011, 3:29 am

It should be legal in general.



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19 May 2011, 8:27 pm

All drugs should be legal. In general most governments could stand to be a little bit smaller and furthermore need to stop messing with "non-violent offenders" and just re-categorize drug abuse as a medical problem.

2 points.

1. This doesn't me we should (by any means) encourage drug use. A lot of illegal use is very self destructive and should be discouraged, however, I think ultimately it should be up to the individual and not some 3rd party.

2. since this IS the haven.... I'm sad and feel hopeless again, nobody in my life but my schizophrenic mother seems to understand me =(

/cheers everyone, be strong, you're not alone :D


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19 May 2011, 10:26 pm

devark wrote:
All drugs should be legal. In general most governments could stand to be a little bit smaller and furthermore need to stop messing with "non-violent offenders" and just re-categorize drug abuse as a medical problem.

2 points.

1. This doesn't me we should (by any means) encourage drug use. A lot of illegal use is very self destructive and should be discouraged, however, I think ultimately it should be up to the individual and not some 3rd party.

2. since this IS the haven.... I'm sad and feel hopeless again, nobody in my life but my schizophrenic mother seems to understand me =(

/cheers everyone, be strong, you're not alone :D


I have to agree with that, I mean I don't see how doing something that does not harm other people can be classified as a crime.



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19 May 2011, 11:10 pm

I think people should be given the facts & have the rite to decide for themselves what medical treatments & meds/drugs they want to try using. I don't think it's fair that greedy controlling big brother has the rite to tell me what meds/drugs I can & cant use. He hasn't met me & doesn't know jack about my conditions so what the hell makes the government think that they know what's best for me. People should be held accountable for their actions while they are high or on other substances instead of getting in trouble for what they use. If someone commits a crime whey they're on something or so they can get money to buy stuff; they should be charged for that crime instead of being charge for being on drugs.


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25 May 2011, 4:59 pm

First of all I'd like to counter the schizophrenia argument when talking about cannabis, to start with, correlation does not mean causation, and even then, the actual figures speak a lot too, there is many people who rave on about it doubling the odds that you'll be affected with schizophrenia if you smoke cannabis, so let's see the statistics behind this.

"The Prevalence Rate for schizophrenia is approximately 1.1% of the population over the age of 18 (source: NIMH)" so I'd make that a 2.2% risk when smoking cannabis.

To put that another way theres a 97.8% chance that you'll smoke cannabis and not be schizophrenic, I'd call them gambling odds any day.

When it comes to medicinal use, much like a lot of drugs doctors use, for some people it does work, others it most definitely doesn't, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence for both cases.
but as it can work, and that the risks involved are pretty low (ever read the side effects of some drugs? I've seen many that casually list death as a possible side effect [yes i know this is mainly a insurance measure]) doctors should be free to use it in their toolkit.

For recreational use, I fail to see why it is a legal matter, yes it's irresponsible, but so are a lot of things in life,
riding motorcycles, skydiving, drinking, rock climbing, and running next to swimming pools are all irresponsible, but people continue to do these things anyway.

I think that fundamentally it is a matter of personal freedom, if i wanted to damage my own body in any way shape or form, i should be free to do so as long as this doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights.

And for my final point, more harm comes from prohibition than the actual drugs themselves, as there is demand for drugs, and where there is demand, there is a market,the only choice the government has, is who controls the market, we can have (mostly) moral businesses selling them, overseen by regulatory bodies. only selling to adults over 18.
Or we can have a black market, with no control over what is done to the products, run by people who will go to extreme lengths to protect their investments, and who have no qualms about selling them to children.