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30 Apr 2012, 7:48 am

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Maybe you should be a rock star.


Yeah I don't see that happening, besides most people these days don't even know what rock is. And do be realistic I would probably be just as unhappy because society would still disturb me. And if you've ever seen The Wall I imagine things would go simularly for me.


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30 Apr 2012, 11:41 am

You should first imagine that happening .Would that be a realistic dream? Not in the worlds eyes. The problem with autism is that you would be oblivious to all of the social cues that say that you would suck. but then again why should you care what people think?

For me I like listening to the classic rock genre. But that music is not going anywhere. Its like all those millionaire rock stars are too busy protecting their wealth to come up with any new songs. Maybe age took its toll but I still think its possible to be young at heart.



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30 Apr 2012, 6:59 pm

It is tough dealing with the turmoil of society when your internal life is filled with turmoil too.

I think you have the answers in that head of yours, there's just too much unresolved stuff getting in the way. If you can find some peace, I think you will figure things out. You've got a good head on your shoulders, I can tell that from your posts.

Try the counseling center you mentioned.

When I went back to therapy a little over a year ago, I was scared. I wasn't scared that it wasn't going to work, I was scared that it would work and then I would have to change everything and be someone else. After the initial meeting, I was so filled with anxiety I was up all night. I needn't have worried. I'm still me, I wear the same things and eat the same things and take the same meds. But things are better than they were before.

When I am in a good place mentally, I can laugh at society because it truly is ridiculous.

And now for something completely different. YOU CAN SING? THAT IS SO COOL!



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01 May 2012, 7:11 am

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You should first imagine that happening .Would that be a realistic dream? Not in the worlds eyes. The problem with autism is that you would be oblivious to all of the social cues that say that you would suck. but then again why should you care what people think?

For me I like listening to the classic rock genre. But that music is not going anywhere. Its like all those millionaire rock stars are too busy protecting their wealth to come up with any new songs. Maybe age took its toll but I still think its possible to be young at heart.


Actually I am not oblivious of that sort of thing, and I guess I just don't know how not to care.....I mean I would have loved knowing how to not care what people think back in elementary school when I was getting picked on by students and teachers. But for whatever reason it gets to me....

I certainly do enjoy classic rock, and there is newer stuff I like.....there is lots of good new music, its just not whats considered todays popular music.


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01 May 2012, 7:26 am

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It is tough dealing with the turmoil of society when your internal life is filled with turmoil too.

I think you have the answers in that head of yours, there's just too much unresolved stuff getting in the way. If you can find some peace, I think you will figure things out. You've got a good head on your shoulders, I can tell that from your posts.

Try the counseling center you mentioned.

When I went back to therapy a little over a year ago, I was scared. I wasn't scared that it wasn't going to work, I was scared that it would work and then I would have to change everything and be someone else. After the initial meeting, I was so filled with anxiety I was up all night. I needn't have worried. I'm still me, I wear the same things and eat the same things and take the same meds. But things are better than they were before.

When I am in a good place mentally, I can laugh at society because it truly is ridiculous.

And now for something completely different. YOU CAN SING? THAT IS SO COOL!


Sometimes I feel like I'll only ever find peace when I'm dead....and yeah I will probably get around to that, I mean its not just counseling though from my impression they can help with diagnoses and such. I have tried counseling in the past and basically it didn't really help me any....maybe it could be most therapists are speaking from the perspective of society, like what they suggest I do to make myself happy goes along with what supposedly makes people happy in society but it doesn't do me much good.

But yeah I guess I could laugh about society more if I was in a better place mentally, just not sure I will end up in a better place mentally. And yeah sort of, I haven't had anyone give me any feedback about it though because like I said.....I don't really in front of people but yeah the extent is basically I might be listening to music I like and look up the lyrics so I can attempt....but yeah keep in mind its rock and metal for the most part that I listen to.


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01 May 2012, 7:43 am

Yes, society f*****g sucks. And AS f*****g sucks. And the way society approaches AS f*****g sucks.

It's not going to stop sucking any time soon.

You can't really do much about it, because other people's suckage is outside of your control.

The only point to learning to "act NT" is that, some of the time, in the hundreds of stupid superficial interactions that are part of adult life, it protects you from getting sucked at by sucky people who are just looking for excuses to act like they suck.

What can you do?? Lots of stuff. I know this sounds like a cliche, but you are 22 years old. You are young and strong and free. Just-- GO!! !! As long as you're not trying to hurt anyone, you can do just about whatever you want (as long as you don't get caught smoking a joint).

Try not to suck yourself. You are going to suck sometimes, because you are human and humans suck. Try to suck less than other people.

Do things that don't suck. In fact, do things that unsuck. Find something you're good at and volunteer doing it. I know how cliched that sounds but it's really fun. Good with your hands?? Build houses. Good with animals?? Head for the local pound. Call un a rescue-- I guarantee there is more than one where-ever you are at. Good listener?? Find a nursing home or a homeless shelter or something. Don't know what you're good at?? Try a soup kitchen. You'll make connections.

No, it doesn't pay. And I know you're broke. But it's a start. And it pays in other ways. Money is necessary, yes, but less so than people think.

I used to do it before I decided to raise kids for free. A lot of them are so grateful for a warm body and two capable hands that they don't care if you're "strange" or "awkward" or whatever. Because you're right-- society does suck. It sucks a lot. And there is a great dearth of people willing to do anything about the suckage.

Find people that don't suck. Look for people that unsuck. Shitcan the idea of a conventional life unless you want it really, really ardently-- and I don't think you do. Hey-- I'm a mommy and a housewife, but I'm pretty damn unconventional. More "Hillbilly Princess" than "Soccer Mom."

Become a rock star?? Maybe not-- that's a pretty sucky life. Celebrity is just f****d the f**k up. Ultimate suckage, dude. Become a hippie or something. Join a commune. Become a social justice crusader. Environmentalist. Check out Frances Moore Lappe-- I think you'd really like her. There's all kinds of stuff out there-- on the radical left and the radical right (and even in the radical middle).

Advice from personal experience, because several times in my life I have identified WAAAAY too much with that album-- THE ONLY SONG ON "THE WALL" YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO IS "OUTSIDE THE WALL." Give that damn thing away and listen to Bob Dylan or Peter, Paul, and Mary or Blind Melon or something. I don't know what, I don't know what you like, but listen to something else. If you have to go dark and metal, give Queensryche a shot. Operation: Mindcrime is a really good album. It's loud and mechanical and angry and I-hate-the-world but at least it's not as depressing as The Wall.

If you have to listen to Pink Floyd, try Dark Side of the Moon instead.

Not Soul Asylum, either. It's not much better.


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01 May 2012, 7:43 am

I believe we live in a sick society, and sometimes the impaired like us are somewhat more normal than what society is telling us is normal.
While realizing what society is can be both depressing and disappointing (especially since we stem from it) consider your realization a gift of knowledge :) after coming to a similar conclusion I now spend more time trying to get what I can out of society and better my own life, rather than try and fit in and better it on the principles set by others. I'm happier for it. Consider it to be split into these stages:

1) What's wrong with me?
2) What's wrong with everyone else?
3) Everything's messed up!
4) Screw it, what can I do for fun, life and stuff?
5) Ahhhhh...that's better 8)

I'd say you are pretty much at number 4 now, so not long to go before you can smile (some more) !



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01 May 2012, 8:26 am

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Yes, society f***ing sucks. And AS f***ing sucks. And the way society approaches AS f***ing sucks.

It's not going to stop sucking any time soon.

You can't really do much about it, because other people's suckage is outside of your control.

Yeah that's one reason its so frusterating, it seems more and more like there really is nothing anyone can do about it, which is just great for motivation to continue on here in this society. But I guess that is one of those things to cope with...which I've been doing up to this point anyways.

The only point to learning to "act NT" is that, some of the time, in the hundreds of stupid superficial interactions that are part of adult life, it protects you from getting sucked at by sucky people who are just looking for excuses to act like they suck.

Well I can hardly trust people anymore, due to repeatedly having people prove they cannot be trusted....but other then that its a matter of I have attempted acting normal just for small periods of time to get through certain interactions I did not want to prolong by coming off as unusual........but even then I can't help it. I cannot seem to come off as someone with a normal functioning brain even if I do attempt.

What can you do?? Lots of stuff. I know this sounds like a cliche, but you are 22 years old. You are young and strong and free. Just-- GO!! !! As long as you're not trying to hurt anyone, you can do just about whatever you want (as long as you don't get caught smoking a joint).

Maybe young, not sure how strong I am(kinda leaning towards not so much) and free? yeah if only I was free but I am trapped in this hellish society I don't belong in. And yeah I certainly do not intend to get caught, but you know what they say it is very hard to smoke marijuana regularly and never get caught by the authorities even once.....so I've even had to mentally prepare myself for that not that it would do much good.

Try not to suck yourself. You are going to suck sometimes, because you are human and humans suck. Try to suck less than other people.

That is what I tried most of my life, only to constantly be misunderstood and told how much I suck at everything...and how much of a failure at life I am, well even I feel like I fail at life. But then I still try because I like to attempt to be the best person I can even if I do think I pretty much suck or I feel guilty when I get tired of doing that and just want to get away from my emotions.

Do things that don't suck. In fact, do things that unsuck. Find something you're good at and volunteer doing it. I know how cliched that sounds but it's really fun. Good with your hands?? Build houses. Good with animals?? Head for the local pound. Call un a rescue-- I guarantee there is more than one where-ever you are at. Good listener?? Find a nursing home or a homeless shelter or something. Don't know what you're good at?? Try a soup kitchen. You'll make connections.

Yeah its an idea but honestly I am a bit more concerned with making a little income to live on, so that's kinda my first priority. And I will be lucky if I can manage to keep a part time or seasonal job....If I had more time, energy and did not have the issue of despretely needing income volunteering would be a nice idea.....I have done it in the past but yeah I kind of need to take care of my needs before I would be in a position to do so.

If I could find a job in one of those catagories that might work...but working my ass off for no pay when I really need income, and don't even know I will be able to function well enough at a job would be too much stress.


I used to do it before I decided to raise kids for free. A lot of them are so grateful for a warm body and two capable hands that they don't care if you're "strange" or "awkward" or whatever. Because you're right-- society does suck. It sucks a lot. And there is a great dearth of people willing to do anything about the suckage.

But yeah I see your point, I should try and do things I enjoy......and I am not rejecting the volunteering idea....I guess I am just not in the right point in life to really do that.

Find people that don't suck. Look for people that unsuck. Shitcan the idea of a conventional life unless you want it really, really ardently-- and I don't think you do. Hey-- I'm a mommy and a housewife, but I'm pretty damn unconventional. More "Hillbilly Princess" than "Soccer Mom."

I've found some people that don't suck.....and I certainly am not really looking for a conventional life.

Become a rock star?? Maybe not-- that's a pretty sucky life. Celebrity is just f**** the f**k up. Ultimate suckage, dude. Become a hippie or something. Join a commune. Become a social justice crusader. Environmentalist. Check out Frances Moore Lappe-- I think you'd really like her. There's all kinds of stuff out there-- on the radical left and the radical right (and even in the radical middle).

Well when I say rock star I am specifically referring to you know like good rock artists, not just any world famous celeb....though there is soms simularity there. But lets just say when I think rock star I am thinking Dio, Motley Crue, Ozzy, Twisted Sister ect not like todays pop music. It won't happen anyways though...but I have more than once thought it would be cool...though there would be downsides to.

But I could already consider myself a hippie...though I don't know if everyone would agree but I feel I do kind of have some in common with that sort of mindset and such. A commune could be cool, but the issue with that currently is I finally do have a close friend and am living close to family members I am close to. So I guess the thought of abandoning the few people that are close to me is not something I would handle too well probably......But yeah I have thought of trying to contribute to changing things for the better but then the question is how do I survive while doing any of that? I mean I will be honest I don't feel I have the skills to survive without any income or resources...for one socialization is hard so theres a big issue right there. I mean its like the frustration of trying to look at what else there is besides trying to find income to live on.....and then feeling like I can't do any of that.

Advice from personal experience, because several times in my life I have identified WAAAAY too much with that album-- THE ONLY SONG ON "THE WALL" YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO IS "OUTSIDE THE WALL." Give that damn thing away and listen to Bob Dylan or Peter, Paul, and Mary or Blind Melon or something. I don't know what, I don't know what you like, but listen to something else. If you have to go dark and metal, give Queensryche a shot. Operation: Mindcrime is a really good album. It's loud and mechanical and angry and I-hate-the-world but at least it's not as depressing as The Wall.

If you have to listen to Pink Floyd, try Dark Side of the Moon instead.

Not Soul Asylum, either. It's not much better.



Well there's just one problem with that Pink Floyd is my favorite band of all time.....and The Wall is one of my favorite albums of theirs, Dark Side of The Moon is actually my worst favorite though still good. But yeah when I was 15 I attempted suicide.....and after that is when I heard The Wall and saw the movie that motivated me to think to myself...'maybe if I think about getting all the Pink Floyd albums before I end it, that will give me enough time to find some other things to live for as well.' So that is how good the music of The Wall was. But yes I do have to listen to Pink Floyd.....and all their albums.

And I like Bob Dylan.....but yeah I'm not much into Queensryche, with metal I like all kinds.....anything from Black Sabbath to even death metal, but yeah music is one of the few things I really enjoy and its certainly helped to keep me going in life.


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01 May 2012, 8:31 am

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I believe we live in a sick society, and sometimes the impaired like us are somewhat more normal than what society is telling us is normal.
While realizing what society is can be both depressing and disappointing (especially since we stem from it) consider your realization a gift of knowledge :) after coming to a similar conclusion I now spend more time trying to get what I can out of society and better my own life, rather than try and fit in and better it on the principles set by others. I'm happier for it. Consider it to be split into these stages:

1) What's wrong with me?
2) What's wrong with everyone else?
3) Everything's messed up!
4) Screw it, what can I do for fun, life and stuff?
5) Ahhhhh...that's better 8)

I'd say you are pretty much at number 4 now, so not long to go before you can smile (some more) !


If only I did not feel so guilty about reaching #4....


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01 May 2012, 9:13 am

I'm a massive Pink Floyd fan too sweetleaf, music is pretty much the only thing that keeps me going. The Wall is one of my favorite albums. Nice knowing there's someone else on here who appreciates them too. The Wall and Piper at the Gates of dawn are so personal to me. I have a massive Have a Cigar poster on my wall (from the single)

I wish i could be in a band, not for the fame or attention, i don't want that i don't need that. It seems like the only position i could be in where i would be able to write songs and vent my anger at society.

But its never gonna happen.


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I'm a massive Pink Floyd fan too sweetleaf, music is pretty much the only thing that keeps me going. The Wall is one of my favorite albums. Nice knowing there's someone else on here who appreciates them too. The Wall and Piper at the Gates of dawn are so personal to me. I have a massive Have a Cigar poster on my wall (from the single)

I wish i could be in a band, not for the fame or attention, i don't want that i don't need that. It seems like the only position i could be in where i would be able to write songs and vent my anger at society.

But its never gonna happen.


Yeah exactly...I can still appreciate music though...it would just be cool to be the one creating it. But yeah even to this day I can't read sheet music, I mean I can understand after a bit of looking at it but I get all jumbled up its kind of like the same issue with math I can get to a point of understanding but my brain wont retain the information and I get stuff mixed up or can't remember the steps. Then in middle and highschool I was in band class doing precussion......I never really got it and for whatever reason never really got much help with learning. I mean the most learning I had was these horrible anxiety provoking tests where I had to try and play techniques or whatever we were supposed to practice at home(I typically never had anyone show me how to do it right in the first place) so yeah a few times I had embarrass myself by doing horrible at these tests in front of the class. And a lot of the time the main reason I did so badly is because I was so anxious I couldn't keep my hands very steady.

But yeah I kinda wish one of the three band teachers I had would have either suggested we do some one on one after school stuff so I could actually learn without having to deal with the crap from other students/fear of crap from the other students. Lets just say I was that outcast kid people would find anything and everything they could to pick on me about so even common mistakes made when learning music would bring on this sort of thing. Otherwise one of those teachers should have just recommended I stop going to band class since it wasn't doing me any good.


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01 May 2012, 9:45 am

Society makes me soo sick as well and that's why I plan on doing something about it... but lots of times I wish I could just escape... in fact I have thought it all out here let me know what you think y'all...

Okay so perfect life would be me living on an undiscovered island (tropical climate btw) and this island would be bountiful in resources like robinson carusoe or Swiss family... so I would be on this island with all I need for basic survival but what else would I want? First off I would HAVE to have a generator and wireless access as well as ipodtype device so I can have my music :) I would be like listening to Pandora or my ipod while I am doing daily stuff lol... okay so once I have that I can basically make anything else I need except there is one thing left... yes I know I like to be alone but I don't think I could do that. For rest of my life so I would have to have a female partner with me... one with a great personality (and if she happens to be a redhead with a smoking hot body well that will work out just fine too :P).. then it may be nice to have one of my best friends or just another person and their spouse also on the island.. we would.live in our own houses and it would be nice if rhetoric were aspies too that way we could leave eachother alone when we needed personal time... well that's it any thoughts?OH! And my island would also have bunches of animals but especially a group of orangutans (I love orangutans) :D



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01 May 2012, 9:54 am

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I'm a massive Pink Floyd fan too sweetleaf, music is pretty much the only thing that keeps me going. The Wall is one of my favorite albums. Nice knowing there's someone else on here who appreciates them too. The Wall and Piper at the Gates of dawn are so personal to me. I have a massive Have a Cigar poster on my wall (from the single)

I wish i could be in a band, not for the fame or attention, i don't want that i don't need that. It seems like the only position i could be in where i would be able to write songs and vent my anger at society.

But its never gonna happen.


Yeah exactly...I can still appreciate music though...it would just be cool to be the one creating it. But yeah even to this day I can't read sheet music, I mean I can understand after a bit of looking at it but I get all jumbled up its kind of like the same issue with math I can get to a point of understanding but my brain wont retain the information and I get stuff mixed up or can't remember the steps. Then in middle and highschool I was in band class doing precussion......I never really got it and for whatever reason never really got much help with learning. I mean the most learning I had was these horrible anxiety provoking tests where I had to try and play techniques or whatever we were supposed to practice at home(I typically never had anyone show me how to do it right in the first place) so yeah a few times I had embarrass myself by doing horrible at these tests in front of the class. And a lot of the time the main reason I did so badly is because I was so anxious I couldn't keep my hands very steady.

But yeah I kinda wish one of the three band teachers I had would have either suggested we do some one on one after school stuff so I could actually learn without having to deal with the crap from other students/fear of crap from the other students. Lets just say I was that outcast kid people would find anything and everything they could to pick on me about so even common mistakes made when learning music would bring on this sort of thing. Otherwise one of those teachers should have just recommended I stop going to band class since it wasn't doing me any good.


I cant read music either, but at the same time it does'nt lessen my apprecitation.
Was that band class at school or or did you do it at college?
But yeah i could never attend a band class, for the same reasons as you I'm just an easy target. I would much rather be a solo musician though. Sometimes i wish i could live with my music heroes on my own planet. I wish i had David Gilmour as my father, do you feel the same about musicians?


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01 May 2012, 10:31 am

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I'm a massive Pink Floyd fan too sweetleaf, music is pretty much the only thing that keeps me going. The Wall is one of my favorite albums. Nice knowing there's someone else on here who appreciates them too. The Wall and Piper at the Gates of dawn are so personal to me. I have a massive Have a Cigar poster on my wall (from the single)

I wish i could be in a band, not for the fame or attention, i don't want that i don't need that. It seems like the only position i could be in where i would be able to write songs and vent my anger at society.

But its never gonna happen.


Yeah exactly...I can still appreciate music though...it would just be cool to be the one creating it. But yeah even to this day I can't read sheet music, I mean I can understand after a bit of looking at it but I get all jumbled up its kind of like the same issue with math I can get to a point of understanding but my brain wont retain the information and I get stuff mixed up or can't remember the steps. Then in middle and highschool I was in band class doing precussion......I never really got it and for whatever reason never really got much help with learning. I mean the most learning I had was these horrible anxiety provoking tests where I had to try and play techniques or whatever we were supposed to practice at home(I typically never had anyone show me how to do it right in the first place) so yeah a few times I had embarrass myself by doing horrible at these tests in front of the class. And a lot of the time the main reason I did so badly is because I was so anxious I couldn't keep my hands very steady.

But yeah I kinda wish one of the three band teachers I had would have either suggested we do some one on one after school stuff so I could actually learn without having to deal with the crap from other students/fear of crap from the other students. Lets just say I was that outcast kid people would find anything and everything they could to pick on me about so even common mistakes made when learning music would bring on this sort of thing. Otherwise one of those teachers should have just recommended I stop going to band class since it wasn't doing me any good.


I cant read music either, but at the same time it does'nt lessen my apprecitation.
Was that band class at school or or did you do it at college?
But yeah i could never attend a band class, for the same reasons as you I'm just an easy target. I would much rather be a solo musician though. Sometimes i wish i could live with my music heroes on my own planet. I wish i had David Gilmour as my father, do you feel the same about musicians?


That was highschool, in college......I went with hardly any skills since I seemed to get more anxiety and self dissapointment from band class than any real skills. But yeah so I ended up having to try and fake it and everyone there seemed kind of told towards me like no one really talked to me I mean I might have been giving the impression of wanting to keep to myself...since I was rather anxious about that class but I really wanted to try and make friends as some people there did seem kinda cool but it turned out seeming kind of futile.

But yeah I get pretty obsessed with musicians like if I really let my mind wander....I might start thinking how cool it would be to have lived back in the 60s and even cooler if I would have known Syd Barret for example. I feel like I can understand some of what drove him over the edge......I mean I feel like the same thing would have happened even if he had chose a different career path and didn't go overboard with the LSD. Fact of the matter is life can be hellish when you realise certain things and also come to the realization there is nothing you can do about it. Not saying the only way to handle it is cut ones self off from the world but I can understand why someone might go that route.


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01 May 2012, 10:35 am

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Society makes me soo sick as well and that's why I plan on doing something about it... but lots of times I wish I could just escape... in fact I have thought it all out here let me know what you think y'all...

Okay so perfect life would be me living on an undiscovered island (tropical climate btw) and this island would be bountiful in resources like robinson carusoe or Swiss family... so I would be on this island with all I need for basic survival but what else would I want? First off I would HAVE to have a generator and wireless access as well as ipodtype device so I can have my music :) I would be like listening to Pandora or my ipod while I am doing daily stuff lol... okay so once I have that I can basically make anything else I need except there is one thing left... yes I know I like to be alone but I don't think I could do that. For rest of my life so I would have to have a female partner with me... one with a great personality (and if she happens to be a redhead with a smoking hot body well that will work out just fine too :P).. then it may be nice to have one of my best friends or just another person and their spouse also on the island.. we would.live in our own houses and it would be nice if rhetoric were aspies too that way we could leave eachother alone when we needed personal time... well that's it any thoughts?OH! And my island would also have bunches of animals but especially a group of orangutans (I love orangutans) :D



Sounds like a nice life....but see where I end up when I consider these possibilities is stuck on how to go about doing it.


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01 May 2012, 10:37 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
lilbetta wrote:
Society makes me soo sick as well and that's why I plan on doing something about it... but lots of times I wish I could just escape... in fact I have thought it all out here let me know what you think y'all...

Okay so perfect life would be me living on an undiscovered island (tropical climate btw) and this island would be bountiful in resources like robinson carusoe or Swiss family... so I would be on this island with all I need for basic survival but what else would I want? First off I would HAVE to have a generator and wireless access as well as ipodtype device so I can have my music :) I would be like listening to Pandora or my ipod while I am doing daily stuff lol... okay so once I have that I can basically make anything else I need except ñthere is one thing left... yes I know I like to be alone but I don't think I could do that. For rest of my life so I would have to have a female partner with me... one with a great personality (and if she happens to be a redhead with a smoking hot body well that will work out just fine too :P).. then it may be nice to have one of my best friends or just another person and their spouse also on the island.. we would.live in our own houses and it would be nice if rhetoric were aspies too that way we could leave eachother alone when we needed personal time... well that's it any thoughts?OH! And my island would also have bunches of animals but especially a group of orangutans (I love orangutans) :D



Sounds like a nice life....but see where I end up when I consider these possibilities is stuck on how to go about doing it.


Yea finding an undiscovered island might be tough for a start lol