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dude,
IT WON'T HELP!! !!
the drugs do not help you in any way, they hurt you!! !! !! ! if it is the endorfans, then whenever you feel like smoking weed, run a mile on a treadmill or something.... JUST QUIT this is a very bad thing to do, quit quit quit quit quit.... wat u perceive as a relaxing feeling is because you think it will relax you, it will stop doing so SOON!! JUST QUIT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!! !! !! !! !! !! if you have to, enter rehab!! !! ! QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT!! !! ! OR ELSE YOU COULD DIE BECAUSE OF IT!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!

I'd consider another way of argumenting. Keep in mind, that marijuana-smokers are brainwashed by their drug and thus they require scientific evidence for the harm its causing them. They simply wont listen to common sense. I've advised people to quit smoking it since marijuana destroyed my life, but its just overlooked.
The problem is, that scientific evidence is very hard to obtain, and the evidence I'd obtain didn't do it for them.
We shall still try to save their lives from drugs, but yelling in capital letters and repeating words 20 times doesn't really sound convincing.

What you say about dying from pot is incorrect. No one has ever died from marijuana. But it has the potential to damage the brain to such degrees that you can't really tell that you're alive anymore. I am unable to feel joy or happiness because of marijuana. I have constant blurred vision, ear buzzing, foggy brain and sexual dysfunctions because of marijuana.

So, you can indirectly die from marijuana because it damages you to the point where you seek suicide.

Millions of people use cannabis and dont seem to have the problems you experience, at least not to a noticeable degree. Millions of research dollars have been spent trying to find damning evidence against it, but so far nothing much has come to light.

You seem to have been quite a heavy poly-drug user a some point, i assume you have some form of autism and you mentioned elsewhere that you suspect a bipolar condition. but for some reason you single out cannabis - why?. There are surely many possible factors which may have affected you, (perhaps unknowingly) which, statistically would have a much stronger correlation. Blaming cannabis for you ailments seems to represent an inability to apply occams razor. I think youve mentioned that you STILL use tobacco and alcohol which (in excess) are definately associated with sexual dysfunction. I think you also mentioned elsewhere that caffiene has negative consequences (perhaps similar to the ones you talk about on this thread?) yet you state that moderate consumption of caffiene is Ok. Why should the same not apply to cannabis?

If your basing your conclusions solely on the 2 or 3 sources youve mentioned, then i strongly recommend you make it your primary focus to seek out a second and third opinion. You owe that much to yourself, i think before resigning yourself to a life of cognitive and hormonal decline.

You are adressing the problem perfectly. There are little "evidence" to suggest that marijuana is damaging. Still, a huge percentage of these millions of users experience the same symptoms as I do. Now, I don't know what people regard as proper evidence. I have done what I can to prevent more people from damaging themselves by sharing my experience with the drug, and providing a link to a site with research done by someone with a PhD in several subjects.

Most information published about marijuana only adresses problems such as decreased cognitive function, irregular heartbeat, amotivation syndrome etc...

Its very hard to argument against marijuana when people defend it with their lives, discarding my knowledge as incorrect.
If marijuana was harmless, I would still smoke it. But fact is, marijuana is not as harmless as it seems. There are complex interactions in the brain during a marijuana high. The reason why drugs in general are harmfull is that they act by releasing neurotransmitters in extreme amounts. So naturally, regular use would spend more neurotransmitters than what the brain can produce and the user will run "low" on neurotransmitters. Once drained, the body cannot replenish itself because at this point, the liver fails to produce necessary hormones and transmitter substances because of marijuanas high liver toxicity.

I know I am repeating myself, and that I'm kicking a dead horse, but I will defend my views and what I regard as "the truth" until the opposite is proved. Which it never will be.

I have had a good look at Dr Lins site and failed to find reference to ANY research papers.

You say a 'huge' % of users experience the same symptoms - where are they? Even if all the 1st hand stories on Lins website are genuine, that would only represent a minute fraction of users of what is one of the worlds most popular drugs.

The only reference i could find to methyltransferase in relation to cannabis was to do with a hypothesized link with schitzophrenia. Even then, it was only suggested that this link would apply to a minority of people who possess a certain gene.

There has been a little research along the lines of fertility and sex hormones (testosterone). From what i can tell these do not correlate with your claims.

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3475#13

I have taken your claims seriously, not 'defended pot with my life'. I have actually become quite alarmed and stopped smoking altogether whilst i evaluate your claims. However, im coming round to the conclusion that, having weighed everything up, moderate cannabis use is not particularly harmful for the vast majority of people who enjoy it.

I think you have 'locked' your mind onto a particular idea and are refusing to think outside of that tunnel - I have a tendancy to do that myself sometimes, i think its similar to the 'brain lock' mechanism of OCD and an unfortunate trait of ASDs.

I rarely use ilegal drugs such as weed(I think I used it over one year ago). Any
way before that and after that I had problems with obtaining an erection. The route of
the problem was entirely related to high blood pressure! I lost 40 lbs or so, exercised
often, reduce sodium and boost potassium and thats not a problem anymore. Now if I
was a chronic pothead I might have got the false idea that it was effecting my erections.

The OP if he uses or not uses pot is going to have mayor issues in life. As the other
person said poly-drug users blaming just pot is wrong. For the life of me I can not think of any heavy pot heads who do not abuse other drugs. My brother and nephew
are both addicted to hydrocodone (and yes smoke weed every waking moment they have some). Those hydrocodone pills are jam packed with drugs like tylenol that in large amounts damage your liver. I have seen my nephew chew a mouth full of that crap.

Even amphetamines that destroy peoples lives are very effective at treating ADHD.
So moderate use of powerfull things are usefull. People who are going to abuse
drugs are going to abuse them. Science means nothing to them. Most people in this thread are saying the person who smoke a little weed each day is not destroying their
lives. Those that are going to use every drug they can get and/or in every increasing amounts sure will have major problems in life.

Please don't blame the fact that marijuana is damaging on my AS diagnosis.
When I know I'm wrong, I let go. Otherwise I will stand by my arguments until the opposite is proved.

I don't think norml is a reliable source for information about the damaging effects of marijuana. They strive to legalize marijuana and thus, would never fight against their own case.

I agree with you, that the evidence is scarce. But I have felt the bad effects on my body, and thats enough proof for me. Of course, others won't believe it until their body too, is beyond repair. This is why I am striving to make people stop smoke.

I understand your, and everybody elses skepticism about the subject.

Brainwash? You realize I studied marijuana before I even touched it? Thats right, I had a ton of knowledge before the joint even touched my mouth and you are saying the drug brain washed me? I hope anyone reading this is intelligent enough to know that you are only arguing on YOUR experiences NOT mine. You TRY to make your experiences MY experiences but thats not the case. You claim we're 'brainwashed' and then you try and cement unproven facts and personal experiences into the minds of others.

Dude, you used ALL sorts of drugs! You went to rehab. Any of your problems could have been the result of any of the drugs you did. I've done pot and thats pretty much it (minus shrooms 3 times or so). My Doctor even stated, in his words and HIS experiences that pot wasn't enough a problem to waste time on (then suggesting 'caffeine' IS)

So you can post all the links you want and preach to us:
1) Your experiences are not someone elses. Someone may have died by a gun but someone may have survived by one
2) I've yet to see a scientific journal link OR read your facts on a credible website - and given the passion and belief you have, it shouldnt be so hard to find

Your experiences are your own, yet, you preach like they are everyones. Dude, for the first time in my life, I am happy and truely on the right course - Every night, I have a system in place, I read from my books (only information books), I now listen to lectures from psychology to biographies on Bach, I practice my guitar for an hour, I meditate, I sometimes write or talk to people on here/elsewhere.. I'm happy, content, clear minded, in the present.

You realize in highschool all I was was confused? Now you're trying to force down my throat that I am miserable and damaging my brain because YOU think I am. You post a link to some guy trying to make a profit with herbal remedies or something (which, in MY experience, just means he is looking for a score like someone claiming they have a cure for baldness (and again, trust me, they dont))

My point: My experience is that of happiness. my learning abilities have never been better (I learned how I learn). MY memory is great and that was tested by moving to a new city and being able to remember most of the names of people i've met, something I could never do (because I didnt know how). OH, and I'm never late and highly organized. Wrecking my body? When I feel it I'll join you - I dont

There's no point. He's made up his mind that he's right and there's not a damn thing that's gonna dissuade him. You could quite likely come up to him/people of a similar bent, present them with a metric ton of research showing that Substance A is not only not harmful, but is in fact, the most beneficial thing ever and it won't make a bit of difference.
And that's fine.
Where I draw the line is when people start the "QUIT! QUIT NOW!" harassment.
I'm an adult. I've educated myself as to the potential benefits and side effects, etc. and I choose to ingest this and other substances on an irregular basis, fully accepting any potential risks. The more some people rail at me about how it's evil, etc., the less likely I am to listen to them, as it presupposes that I and others are deluded or of diminished mental capacity/brainwashed. Insulting someone is not, perhaps, the best way to get them to listen to your side of an argument, methinks.
As I said before (in this thread or another like it, can't be bothered to look it up) the vast majority of cannabis-use threads devolve into just this type of behaviour. "I'm right, drugs are bad, mkay?" "No they're not... you're painting all drugs with the same brush and seeing danger where there is none." "I'm not gonna listen to "facts" from some stoner burned-out hippie." "Hippy? Screw you, I run a successful busine-" "Blah blah blah. Stupid hippies."

Here's what I believe.
I believe that there is a vast difference between drug use and drug abuse.
I believe that some drugs can be used responsibly.
I believe that I have the right to expand or alter my consciousness as I see fit.
I believe that honesty and openness are a fairly effective way to keep kids off drugs (at least in my experience).
I believe that harm-reduction measures beat the hell out of punishment and ostracision.
I believe that people who don't research (or even make an attempt to) their drug of choice are stupid. (This also applies to prescription drugs, OTC, etc)
I also believe that "Dr" Lin guy is full of s**t and just wants to sell you something.
There's more but I'm pretty sure I'm wasting my time and yours, so, in closing, respect my right to put stuff in my body, and I'll respect your right to not do so.

Yeah. As long as I'm not hurting anybody, it's nobody's business what I do.

Diseased, what you believe - pretty much the same for me

As for kids - yes, the best way to make them say 'no' to drugs is arm them with appropriate knowledge from both sides.. they are not a robot and will make the choice themselves - I'd rather they say 'yes' to pot and 'no' to crack then anything

In fact, if i ever have a child, he/she, if they are interested, will smoke pot with me FIRST. I'd rather they smoke with me then there friends or some moron on the corner spitting in their marijuana..

OKAY! I see this is turning into a hostile argument, so I'll resign from the discussion.
Just don't come whining when you've wrecked your brains and have constant panic attacks, cause I've warned you.

I cannot give reasonable arguments when this is turning personal.

Cya in another thread.

It is? No hostility on my end, just exasperation.

Thanks, mom.

Haven't seen one from you thus far, just reiterations of Dr. Lins' "advice" and a bunch of hype, a la "Just don't come whining when you've wrecked your brains and have constant panic attacks, cause I've warned you."
Throughout the entirety of this thread, you've overlooked one basic fact: Not ONE potsmoker here has failed to acknowledge that pot is without harm to some extent. No one's arguing that. What we/they've tried to point out is that it's considerably less harmful than many other drugs, most of which are not only legal but socially acceptable, and the fact that we find that level of hypocrisy unacceptable.
But all that's neither here nor there... I gave up trying to change peoples minds some time ago. The only way that you can be assured that you've changed someones' mind is to open the top of the cranial dome and stir vigorously.
As I said above, I'll do my thing, you do your thing and in return for not harassing me, I won't kick over your sandcastle. (so to speak)

Uhhh dude did any1 tell you that DRUGS CAN KILL YOU?!?!?

There has never been a case of someone dying as a direct result of smoking pot.
Drinking and smoking can also kill you, and are quite possibly, a lot more dangerous, yet a lot more socially acceptable.
Doesn't really make sense to me, but it doesn't really matter, because I will continue to smoke it.

Are you okay?