Williams Died From Hanging Himself

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^Sometimes even if one has a caring supportive family or at least a few close people those people may try very hard, want to help....don't know how and I guess sort of fail that person. That is how sort of feel about my close family but its not their fault really that they can't make me feel better or rid me of my mental issues. And worse when they unknowingly cause distress or cant help it like I have PTSD so very sensative to sudden loud noises thou it seems to have progressed to even sudden noises in general and people can not always tip-toe and avoid making such noises but it will startle the crap out of me and then I can feel that my body uses up some of what little energy I have trying to calm me down from the initial shock of being startled.

I mean a little embarrassing if you're a little busy or whatever and someone wants to get your attention so they say your name, seemingly rather suddenly and you have a rather extreme startle reaction a bit out of proportion to the cause of the startle like every time. Of if someone verbally wakes me up it can cause that(so annoying) but its not things people do on purpose but still liable to drive me insane.

I don't know what sort of family Robin Williams had for sure or if they tried their best being supportive....but sometimes even with a caring support system some people still just end up unable to cope....I think the failings of the system meant to deal with these issues is a problem though I would think he had access to regular medical treatment as well as alternatives considering being an actor/comedian...but then I hear he was having some financial trouble....but then some regular medical treatments can make things worse, some meds probably even contribute to parkinsons....but then of course don't know if he was on meds or not let alone which ones.

I apologise!
That was Totally uncalled for!

at self!

I retract it completely! 'Ashamed'

That statement was a completely muddled attempt to express confusion about your opinion that BP has"social, and environmental factors contributing just like any other mental disorder." after this:

And this: [quote="em_tsuj"other disorders, yes. bipolar disorder, no. bipolar is a physical problem.[/quote]

It's Not BS!

I am BP, and from personal experience, There are NO outside factors influencing it.
When I am 'Up', I am deliriously happy, joyous, irreverent and impulsive.
When I am 'Down', there is no meaning. Only despair, inconsolable wretchedness and hopeless worthlessness!
It would be living hell if I cared...

I have never been motivated to these feelings from any outside factors. I can be laughing at a funeral or crying in a comedy show.

My research explains these feelings as merely the result of neurological chemicals being manufactured and release in to my cortex...
on a whim!

No reason, no rhyme, arbitrary and meaningless.
They're mistakes!

wtf...weird double post so deleted lol.

Last edited by Sweetleaf on 03 Sep 2014, 12:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.

What I mean is there are different factors that contribute to all mental disorders, while yours does not relate to your environment it still likely has biological/genetic causes but the science does not go far enough to single out all those specific factors. Depending on the disorder there are different levels of the sort of factors. Like i have Major Depressive Disorder(reoccurant) since it gets very severe multiple times but then will get a bit better for a time and then go way down hill again there aren't really specific reasons for that but it seems stress contributes sometimes in my case for sure.

But yeah I can feel like absolute crap for seemingly no reason, quite certain there is defiantly stuff going on with neurological chemicals...but pretty sure things like being bullied a lot at school as a kid contribute to my depression or if that wasn't a contributing factor it certainly made it worse. Also all mental disorders are technically both physical/mental problems as they have some physical basis even if in the brain and do effect thinking, cognative abilities and other mental stuff. I guess maybe I came off a little blunt, but I have gone on other mental health forums and talked to people with bi-polar that do say they have factors which contribute aside from just the faulty functioning of neurological chemicals or functions....and from what I have read with any mental disorder stress can make symptoms more noticeable/severe...including that one, but if I am wrong about that then I am wrong about that....but calling people idiots, hypocrites or accusing them of purposely not understanding is not a good way to point out if someone is misinformed on something.

That was one of the worst things amongst a legion of stupid things I have said on WP

I am sorry

your distress is creating distress in me!


please forgive me?

^well if you're for real....its all good.

I actually very recently posted a response to someone when in a crappy mood, next morning re-read what I posted and was like 'wow did I really post something that harsh' needless to say felt bad about it. So it happens.

Look it up! Do the research like I did. Get a degree. Better yet, live with it like I have (too many family members to name. I'm pretty sure I have bipolar II. got it from dad who got it from his dad who got it from one of his ancestors). Work professionally for several years with people who are bipolar. Then tell me about bipolar. What makes you such an expert?


The only thing I will grant to environmental factors is the severity of the symptoms. Certain situations make mental health symptoms worse.

Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you!

um


me and sweeteaf just had a raging argument about this

Well I have looked it up, have read up on it some....never claimed to have a degree, and I already know with bi-polar environmental factors effect the severity more than anything else at least based on the information I have, point was the environment/social factors are unlikely to have abosulotely no effect on the disorder....again from my understanding. And yeah not going to be getting a degree anytime soon mostly due to a disorder you probably are not an expert about.

Please tell me where in the f*** I claimed to be a freaking expert....just said environmental and social factors factor into mental illnesses and I don't think bi-polar is immune to that....if it is than my bad just figured like other mental disorders and conditions those factors would also have some effect on that one Hell those factors even effect autism, though people are born with it so the intital disorder is biological however the environment can certainly effect how the autism looks, how the individual experiences and can somewhat effect severity of symptoms.

No. You are sugar coating it. If your earlier responses to me were as objective as this one, I wouldn't have responded with such hostility. Go back and re-read your posts. They sound pretty authoritative to me--like you think you know a thing or two about mental illness. If you didn't disrespect me, I wouldn't have disrespected you.

What made me mad was the comment where you "called B.S." on my assertions about bipolar. I felt disrespected because you used that specific phrase: B.S. It implies that I am bullshitting, which, to me, means that you think I am somehow being disingenuous or that you think my opinions are not even worth considering. That term (B.S.) conveyed a certain level of contempt which I felt was unwarranted. Don't talk to me like that.

From where I'm standing, you were the first to be disrespectful by claiming in an authorative way that Sweetleaf is plain wrong, without providing any arguments or citations. You also didn't leave any room for discussion.

We know very little about mental illnesses. Sure, there are genetic/epigenetic components to bipolar disorder. However, saying that life circumstances don't play a role in whether and to which severity you actually develop the symptoms of bipolar is just not supported by the current state of science. The brain isn't wired once at birth and then static, it changes over time, and life events and circumstances play a huge role in how that happens. There are people who have predictors for bipolar and yet never show symptoms. There is a lot of research on the effects of stress, traumatic events, loneliness, anxiety etc. on the brain, yet still we don't have a comprehensive understanding that puts everything together. So I really don't understand why you feel like you need to insist that bipolar is fundamentally different than other mental illnesses. I'm not aware of any respected scientist who claims to have a definitive explanation for how bipolar develops and what causes it, yet here you are acting as if you do.

The origin of the discussion was whether it's possible to change life circumstances so you can live a decent life despite being bipolar. Your view seems to be that it's all predetermined because it's "physical" and that killing yourself is consequently the best alternative. It's fine to have an opinion, but telling other people they're not allowed to express theirs is not.

^ Very Well Said!

This whole thing has gone Way off topic!
From Ann2011 posting her sadness at Robin Williams death,
we've descended into a slinging match about the validity of personal opinions that can't be proved or disproved

Remember we in the Haven and Not the PPR forum,
put your egos away
Both of you apologise
Agree to disagree
Shake hands

and then click 'Stop watching this topic'

i apologise for my part in this pointless episode

I'm sorry too. Like I said. I normally don't talk about stuff like this. I may have started something unintentionally. What I said rattled some cages, and started a heated discussion. I will go too.

I saw this thread and I kind of... thought maybe I could actually discuss this for once or try to. But I'm not sure, is everyone walking out at this point? I could start another one if this isn't appropriate. I'm kind of a new kid, so I'm not sure. I can relocate, just let know.

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This happened on my birthday this year.

This was a weird, mellow, kind of icky birthday this year anyway. Not bad, but I've been having a lot of health problems so I couldn't do much for my birthday, but not great. I don't have huge parties or anything, but will have a couple friends and my boyfriend over and we will make dinner. Or a few of us will visit my parents and we will eat a grilled dinner on the porch or something.

I couldn't do any of that and it felt... kind of empty.
And I've been feeling a bit low. Not really depressed. Like, I'm "ok".

I have a lot of health "not so great news" lately- I'm having trouble handling it.
And then... just... this was interesting to handle and brought up some stuff.

and I wanted to talk about it.
But I couldn't. Not just about my birthday or me but about the stuff I saw on facebook and about how people perceive you when you use humour as a defense and... all that stuff.

I don't know if this is the place though.

I kind of feel like someone just ruined the party but I got here late. I really have no idea.

Should I just go somewhere else and start some other something?
I feel dumb.

So... here is the emoticon with the label that makes the least amount of sense [geek?]


...and if you don't like that, here's a fish

FISH--->

I said I call BS which maybe wasn't the best choice of words, but I didn't mean it all that seriously....guess it can seem harsher to some people than I meant to be to me it means I do not think the claim is true not that I have any contempt for the person who puts it forth I can see how it came off that way....but what I said in the last post was the point I was trying to make. Sorry if I came off as disrespectful of people who have the condition or anything else as that was certainly not my intent.

However considering I've had to live with Major Depression, GAD and PTSD on top of my aspergers for many years...have actually done research about mental illness, have taken college courses and have been in therapy and trying meds for those mental illnesses....yes I do think I know a thing or two about mental illness. So I disagree with your implication I don't know anything about mental illness as it is entirely inaccurate...maybe you mean I don't know much about bi-polar disorder specifically which is true.