Is the CCSF concept finished now ?

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16 Dec 2016, 5:08 pm

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I agree, and I have been reluctant to challenge ASS-P's contribution to his own situation for many months. But I also feel that he needs to stop chasing rainbows. I have not felt hurt by his comments to/about me. I think ASS-P needs encouragement and emotional support, but not assistance in pursuing unrealistic goals.


Some people find it hard to change their situation and in ASS-P's case, he's in a pretty bad situation. You're right, he has been offered help before and turned it down (granted, it was a 1500 mile journey), so I do hope he can accept future offers if something stable comes along. Let's not be harsh on him though if he doesn't, it's his choice after all. I've learnt that and I think it would be good if others let him find his own way, wherever that takes him.

dcj123 is right, goals are very important. They're hope. Things can change for ASS-P in the space of a few months and he could be in a stable room, with a lock and key, feeling comfortable to head to class a few days a week. Right now? Maybe not but it's about keeping the option open and lending support for things to go in the right direction.

For anyone reading, please take it easy on him. He's emotional and doesn't need berating.



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16 Dec 2016, 5:30 pm

I feel ASS-P could do more than he thinks he can do.

All he has to do to pass an introductory composition course is to know how to write a decent essay, with proper punctuation and capitalization. He writes the way he does on WP because he has limited time, and he's not the best typist. It's not because he lacks the ability to write.

He also has to bite his tongue sometimes, I sense, when the professor says something he doesn't agree with.

Probably the thing that would cause problems is his relative lack of access to computers. To solve that problem, he can make sure he knows where the main computer room is, and to know how to sign in and get his place.

He needs a permanent room in order to go to school. He also needs a working phone.

If he dresses decently, makes sure he doesn't fly off the handle, and makes sure he gets to class on time, he can pass courses.



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16 Dec 2016, 6:32 pm

...I am CRIPPLED due to the kidney/heart/lung situation ! :cry: As well as the amputated toes ! :cry:
Yes , the diabetes is a factor ~ When you depend on institutional/free feed food , your choice , too , is somewhat limited ! :x
I'll say this - AGAIN?? - when I first , with the help of the female worker from the stabalization room , came closer to being registered , it was because of having her .
Once I no longer had access to her , that help was denied me :( .


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16 Dec 2016, 6:43 pm

What is it that's preventing you from filling out an application on your own?

I'm not trying to criticize you at all. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this.

The only thing I can think of is that you don't have much computer access.

You haven't mentioned anything about your vision. If you have bad vision, that can cause problems in filling out an application.

The thing is: you're not functionally illiterate. What is it that you find difficult about filling out applications?

Why don't you do this: why don't you partially fill out one, then ask us about something which you find difficult.



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16 Dec 2016, 6:50 pm

[quote="ASS-P"]...I am CRIPPLED due to the kidney/heart/lung situation ! :cry: As well as the amputated toes ! :cry:
Yes , the diabetes is a factor ~ When you depend on institutional/free feed food , your choice , too , is somewhat limited ! :x
I'll say this - AGAIN?? -in brief ~ when I first , with the help of the female worker from the stabalization room , came closer to being registered , it was because of having her .
Once I no longer had access to her , that help was denied me :( .
Then , as well as being out of the stabalization room , I had my money cut off - and it became WORSE week by week ! :? Moving my attention towards that .
I am so crippled that it takes me , say , 20-40 minutes or more , depedning , to walk a small number of blocks ! :cry: No matter what the cause , THIS IS THE CASE .
Yes . I wanted some help , in varying ways , in goiung to the planned All-In-One registration ~ Including NOT HAVING TO TAKE MY CRIPPLED ASS :cry: (and Aspie-ness emotionallly restricted) so far . I AM CRIPPLED . :|
I wanted the symbolic " journey " , too .
I tried to point out that I really could not fill out the admission and aid applications myself , but people here were ABSURDLY insistent on this fairy story ! :( Especially you , Kraftie , how could you say that ?
Was it because you are a professional in filling out forms and think others can do it who are not ?
Also , above even that:
(1) MY PHYSICAL CONDITION ~ plus , probably even more than that , (2) my residential/background situation (whether being fully HL or in the shelter I am now ~ where I was , this morning , just feeling like that " lead/mercury/pesticide " effect was getting to me , as it hiad before in the stabalization room) ~ Even minus that , shelter life would not allow me to do the work that a , if it were three or more classes a week with many involving reports/notes/homework , full schedule would allow . With a STRICT 9:30 PM lights-out ? With no desk/writing space of my own ? Then , (3) the tech I'd need/be expected to use in a modren class situation , assuming I got sufficient from the aid application to get that (There is no way I could pay for even CCSF , tuition and fees and books/tech , through any way other than getting aid . Period .) - Even then , (A) since I DON'T HOW TO USE :cry: such tech , as I have pointed out here before - And (B) , frankly , it's a question how I could not have the things lost/store them correctly so they don't get broken/don't get STOLEN - Well , it occured to me that doing all this , in the situation I was in , was ?able for me .
I said to people who tried to discourage me , " I'm trying to see if it can be set up now , so that , if I am able to do it later when it is time to do it , I can do it then ! "


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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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16 Dec 2016, 7:09 pm

...I put an expansion of this post up - TWICE - it would not go up :cry: .
Let's see if this does .
Let's see , old , CRIPPLED :cry: , super-poor me is supposed to EVERYTHING himself :cry: . Uh huh :cry: .
Those 20-ish AS-ers from that NY Times article can get everything done for them (possibly to excess ?) ?
And , I am " squandered opportunities " ~ WHAT opportunities ?
I AM CRIPPLED - no matter what the reason - AND WOULD HAVE NEEDED HELP , WERE I TO DO JANUARY CCSF !
PERIOD ! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! :(


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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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16 Dec 2016, 7:15 pm

I believe you could actually go to CCSF and succeed. I actually do. No BS.

That campus where they're doing the All-In-One....is not hard to get to at all, to be honest. It would be hard with a "ball and chain," but not too hard should you not have a load.

It will take you longer than most people--but I know you can do it. I guess you'll have to go a couple of times in order to get used to it. But it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

I'm no expert at filling out forms. Most of the questions, though, are self-explanatory. You're not a dumb guy, ASS-P. You're seem pretty intelligent in some ways, actually. Just fill out what you can, and maybe ask us about questions which you find difficult. You can write down the questions you have difficulty with, and save the application for later. You will have a User name and a password (which you must write down).

I'm sure there are things which I am naïve about. I concede that.

But I still believe, if you put your mind to it, that you could succeed at CCSF.



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16 Dec 2016, 7:24 pm

I guess, like others have stated, that you should try to get your health a little better.

And to get at least a semi-permanent place.

But keep the CCSF idea on the "back burner." It's not something which is out of the realm of possibility for you--especially if you improve your immediate situation.



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16 Dec 2016, 7:30 pm

...And I thought you were not going to come back , huh n???
Yeah , I have it - GREAT ! :cry:



BeaArthur wrote:
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You really have. It's terrible how you've treated people who are only trying to give you the unvarnished truth. Most of us don't have a romantic idea of homelessness and all the suggestions you've had so far are focused on getting you indoors with a place to sleep.


Maybe I've missed a few posts or the context of some posts recently but I don't think ASS-P has been mean or rude with how he's replied to people's suggestions. Sometimes it takes a while for things to sink in and not everyone is easily adaptable to change as we might like them to be.

ASS-P is a very emotional person. Let's not berate him with harshness but be understanding and try to feel where he's coming from when he makes a post. We need to support him and be encouraging, not try to force him further into a hole. Things are now getting a bit better and back to normal for him, so it's a time for celebration, if anything.


I agree, and I have been reluctant to challenge ASS-P's contribution to his own situation for many months. But I also feel that he needs to stop chasing rainbows. I have not felt hurt by his comments to/about me. I think ASS-P needs encouragement and emotional support, but not assistance in pursuing unrealistic goals.


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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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16 Dec 2016, 7:57 pm

You want to know what I think?

I think you should seek to prove the naysayers wrong, ASS-P.

That's what I've been doing all my life, really.



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16 Dec 2016, 8:08 pm

...I need help if I am going to go to CCSF - or anywhere . Period .
I cannot TV-movie " do it all myself " , no matter how someone may recite " The Little Engine That Could " over and over again .
I am stuck here in SF now til' past Christmas , no matter what , anyway , now...



kraftiekortie wrote:
You want to know what I think?

I think you should seek to prove the naysayers wrong, ASS-P.

That's what I've been doing all my life, really.


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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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16 Dec 2016, 8:50 pm

Very funny LOL

I've always liked the story of the "Engine That Could."

I've never actually made it over the mountain...but I will!

Sometimes, one just needs a push, just needs something that can't be defined right away....but a push, nevertheless.

Your health seems to have gotten a bit better. Not so many emergency room visits these past few months.

And you really WANT to go to CCSF. You could get some of that "college" experience in the areas where the students hang out to drink coffee and to talk philosophy.



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17 Dec 2016, 3:46 am

ASS-P wrote:
ASS-P wrote:
...I am CRIPPLED due to the kidney/heart/lung situation ! :cry: As well as the amputated toes ! :cry:
Yes , the diabetes is a factor ~ When you depend on institutional/free feed food , your choice , too , is somewhat limited ! :x
I'll say this - AGAIN?? -in brief ~ when I first , with the help of the female worker from the stabalization room , came closer to being registered , it was because of having her .
Once I no longer had access to her , that help was denied me :( .
Then , as well as being out of the stabalization room , I had my money cut off - and it became WORSE week by week ! :? Moving my attention towards that .
I am so crippled that it takes me , say , 20-40 minutes or more , depedning , to walk a small number of blocks ! :cry: No matter what the cause , THIS IS THE CASE .
Yes . I wanted some help , in varying ways , in goiung to the planned All-In-One registration ~ Including NOT HAVING TO TAKE MY CRIPPLED ASS :cry: (and Aspie-ness emotionallly restricted) so far . I AM CRIPPLED . :|
I wanted the symbolic " journey " , too .
I tried to point out that I really could not fill out the admission and aid applications myself , but people here were ABSURDLY insistent on this fairy story ! :( Especially you , Kraftie , how could you say that ?
Was it because you are a professional in filling out forms and think others can do it who are not ?
Also , above even that:
(1) MY PHYSICAL CONDITION ~ plus , probably even more than that , (2) my residential/background situation (whether being fully HL or in the shelter I am now ~ where I was , this morning , just feeling like that " lead/mercury/pesticide " effect was getting to me , as it hiad before in the stabalization room) ~ Even minus that , shelter life would not allow me to do the work that a , if it were three or more classes a week with many involving reports/notes/homework , full schedule would allow . With a STRICT 9:30 PM lights-out ? With no desk/writing space of my own ? Then , (3) the tech I'd need/be expected to use in a modren class situation , assuming I got sufficient from the aid application to get that (There is no way I could pay for even CCSF , tuition and fees and books/tech , through any way other than getting aid . Period .) - Even then , (A) since I DON'T HOW TO USE :cry: such tech , as I have pointed out here before - And (B) , frankly , it's a question how I could not have the things lost/store them correctly so they don't get broken/don't get STOLEN - Well , it occured to me that doing all this , in the situation I was in , was ?able for me .
I said to people who tried to discourage me , " I'm trying to see if it can be set up now , so that , if I am able to do it later when it is time to do it , I can do it then ! "


This is a lot of stuff to overcome in order to be able to be a student. Hopefully in the coming months you'll land in a more stable living situation and that will clear a lot of the obstacles you currently face.