I've been offered the COVID vaccine

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27 May 2021, 12:01 pm

I got the covid vaccine about a month ago.



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27 May 2021, 12:05 pm

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I just received a text from the NHS saying I am at the top of the queue for getting the vaccine.

I am shaking. What if they make a mistake and give me the one that causes blood clots in younger women taking the contraceptive pill?

I'm scared of the side effects too. What if it makes me vomit? I have an extreme phobia of vomiting and I refuse to put anything into my body that has even the tiniest chance it could cause vomiting (hence why I don't drink alcohol).
I'm scared of other possible side effects. Tiredness or headaches are fine as I can live with those, but what if I get a severe reaction to it like flu-like symptoms?

More people I know had called in sick at work due to reactions to the vaccine than haven't. Are there ways I could ease the side effects, such as taking painkillers?

What if I get a seizure from the vaccine or something? I'm scared. I don't know if I can go through with it.

No the vaccine wouldn't make you vomit, or have any of these side effects. Sure there are people who had bad experiences with it, with the J&J vaccine being a perfect example. My vaccination went by just fine and I was vaccine-injured when I was much younger.



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27 May 2021, 2:00 pm

Nobody can say that these vaccines are safe for the individuals who get them long-term. Nobody. We are interacting with the immune system with a novel technology that has only been used in humans for a matter of months. Nobody can say what the impact of this technology will be in the years to come. Nobody.

That is not to say that people should not have the vaccine or that it will turn out to be unsafe. Just that anybody who says that they are safe is doing so from a position of faith, hope or trust, it is not based on evidence because we simply do not and cannot have that evidence yet.



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27 May 2021, 2:34 pm

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Nobody can say that these vaccines are safe for the individuals who get them long-term. Nobody. We are interacting with the immune system with a novel technology that has only been used in humans for a matter of months. Nobody can say what the impact of this technology will be in the years to come. Nobody.

That is not to say that people should not have the vaccine or that it will turn out to be unsafe. Just that anybody who says that they are safe is doing so from a position of faith, hope or trust, it is not based on evidence because we simply do not and cannot have that evidence yet.


Literally everything in our life is risks/benefits gamble. Nothing is safe. You have no evidence building you are living in will not collapse this night either.

Current estimations of risks associated with vaccination are lower than a lot of things we all perceive as "safe".



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27 May 2021, 3:39 pm

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Nobody can say that these vaccines are safe for the individuals who get them long-term. Nobody. We are interacting with the immune system with a novel technology that has only been used in humans for a matter of months. Nobody can say what the impact of this technology will be in the years to come. Nobody.

That is not to say that people should not have the vaccine or that it will turn out to be unsafe. Just that anybody who says that they are safe is doing so from a position of faith, hope or trust, it is not based on evidence because we simply do not and cannot have that evidence yet.


Literally everything in our life is risks/benefits gamble. Nothing is safe. You have no evidence building you are living in will not collapse this night either.

Current estimations of risks associated with vaccination are lower than a lot of things we all perceive as "safe".



Whose estimations?
Again it comes to down to trust/faith in who you are listening to.

Trust in governments is for people who have never read a history book. Legacy media have their own agenda and are now a complete joke, so we're left wading through conspiracy nuts and scaremongers whilst also trying to work out who's been censored and for what purpose to try and find the people with the experience who know what they are talking about that are not compromised by financial incentives or in fear of losing their jobs. They do not all agree, some say the vaccines will be next to useless, others that vaccinating will make the problem worse (because it will force the virus to mutate much faster to survive), others that vaccines will ruin the immune system and others that the crisis merely presents an opportunity for people in certain positions to make astronomical amounts of money, to gain more power or more control..... or all three, which is undeniably the case - There are people doing very well for themselves out of Covid-19.

I'd really like to think public health and safety is the primary concern but I've been around long enough to know that it won't be.



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27 May 2021, 5:21 pm

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Whose estimations?
Again it comes to down to trust/faith in who you are listening to.

Whose estimations do you trust about safety of every building you enter in your life?



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27 May 2021, 5:48 pm

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Nobody can say that these vaccines are safe for the individuals who get them long-term. Nobody. We are interacting with the immune system with a novel technology that has only been used in humans for a matter of months. Nobody can say what the impact of this technology will be in the years to come. Nobody.

That is not to say that people should not have the vaccine or that it will turn out to be unsafe. Just that anybody who says that they are safe is doing so from a position of faith, hope or trust, it is not based on evidence because we simply do not and cannot have that evidence yet.


Umm, that’s what the clinical trials were for..


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28 May 2021, 3:22 am

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Nobody can say that these vaccines are safe for the individuals who get them long-term. Nobody. We are interacting with the immune system with a novel technology that has only been used in humans for a matter of months. Nobody can say what the impact of this technology will be in the years to come. Nobody.

That is not to say that people should not have the vaccine or that it will turn out to be unsafe. Just that anybody who says that they are safe is doing so from a position of faith, hope or trust, it is not based on evidence because we simply do not and cannot have that evidence yet.


Umm, that’s what the clinical trials were for..


Were? That needs to be corrected to "Are", big difference

"Under an "Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)", FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products."

That's what this is, an EUA. If an effective treatment became available, the vaccines would have to be withdrawn.



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28 May 2021, 3:37 am

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lostproperty wrote:
Whose estimations?
Again it comes to down to trust/faith in who you are listening to.

Whose estimations do you trust about safety of every building you enter in your life?



^This is a silly example. Buildings in the traditional sense were not something we came up with and put into practice less than 18 months ago. If there was a new type of "building" that literally floated in mid-air on top of some sort of force field that was not easily understood by the public, or even by qualified people in the field as to exactly how it worked or was supposed to work, I dare say people would be more apprehensive about spending any or much time inside it.



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28 May 2021, 7:32 am

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^This is a silly example. Buildings in the traditional sense were not something we came up with and put into practice less than 18 months ago. If there was a new type of "building" that literally floated in mid-air on top of some sort of force field that was not easily understood by the public, or even by qualified people in the field as to exactly how it worked or was supposed to work, I dare say people would be more apprehensive about spending any or much time inside it.


No, every building is a unique combination of blueprint design, landscape, quality of materials and work, level of compliance within tolerances of precision, climate and seismic conditions. It's safety is just an educated guess, matter of whose estimations you trust.



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28 May 2021, 8:07 am

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^This is a silly example. Buildings in the traditional sense were not something we came up with and put into practice less than 18 months ago. If there was a new type of "building" that literally floated in mid-air on top of some sort of force field that was not easily understood by the public, or even by qualified people in the field as to exactly how it worked or was supposed to work, I dare say people would be more apprehensive about spending any or much time inside it.


No, every building is a unique combination of blueprint design, landscape, quality of materials and work, level of compliance within tolerances of precision, climate and seismic conditions. It's safety is just an educated guess, matter of whose estimations you trust.


Well, I am not going to be told by anybody to go and live on top of a fault line or in a high rise flat covered in combustible cladding or in a house that's close to cliff edge with subsidence. It's a personal risk assessment and my decision to make, thank you very much.

If people want to have the vaccine, I'm fine with that (or at least until it becomes obvious to me that vaccination is strengthening the pandemic, should that turn out to be the case). What is making me angry and feeling the need to respond to posts such as the OP's is the amount of coercion that is being applied to people who don't want - or do not need - to have the vaccine, particularly by people with little or no idea of what they talking about.

People being pressured by family or partners is an issue of concern to me and I feel very strongly that people ought to have access to the all of the pros and cons and all of the facts with which to make an informed decision. At the moment we are being bombarded with propaganda and a growing hostility to just do as we are told. That is not a healthy environment to be in.



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28 May 2021, 8:30 am

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Well, I am not going to be told by anybody to go and live on top of a fault line or in a high rise flat covered in combustible cladding or in a house that's close to cliff edge with subsidence. It's a personal risk assessment and my decision to make, thank you very much.


That's a weird bias to have. We all already live on top of a fault line in this situation, there is no proof you are safe, there are a lot of indications you are not. But when we consider relocating to a safer location or install seismic reinforcements, all over sudden proven safety of those new measures are of utter importance for us. This is just cognitive bias. Doing nothing has risks we choose to ignore.



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28 May 2021, 11:06 am

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lostproperty wrote:
Nobody can say that these vaccines are safe for the individuals who get them long-term. Nobody. We are interacting with the immune system with a novel technology that has only been used in humans for a matter of months. Nobody can say what the impact of this technology will be in the years to come. Nobody.

That is not to say that people should not have the vaccine or that it will turn out to be unsafe. Just that anybody who says that they are safe is doing so from a position of faith, hope or trust, it is not based on evidence because we simply do not and cannot have that evidence yet.


Umm, that’s what the clinical trials were for..


Were? That needs to be corrected to "Are", big difference

"Under an "Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)", FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products."

That's what this is, an EUA. If an effective treatment became available, the vaccines would have to be withdrawn.


https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+v ... e&ie=UTF-8


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28 May 2021, 11:31 am

We, in NYC, have gone down to about 300 new COVID cases a day, down from about 4,000 a day in a matter of 1-2 months.

It’s the proliferation of vaccinations which has caused this progress to happen.



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28 May 2021, 3:24 pm

The cases are rising in the UK thanks to this stupid Indian variant. :roll:
I suppose that's goodbye to the summer. :roll:

Vaccines effective or not, I bet they'll still shut the country down again so we'll all have to stay indoors and get shamed if we go to the beach.

Controlment. Dictatorship. Communism.


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28 May 2021, 3:54 pm

That's why people should go get the vaccine.

Hospitalizations still haven't risen; if hospitalizations continue not to rise, then there won't be restrictions.

The restrictions are driven more by the amount of hospitalizations than by the amount of cases. That's the way it was in NYC.

The UK only had 10 deaths yesterday. Remember, at the height of the pandemic, there were days when there were over 1,000 deaths per day.