Why ain't my cousin on the spectrum?
No, I'm just perceived as weak. I have social boundaries and I KNOW my social boundaries. In fact it's more intuitive when offline than online.
Online (on forums like this where I'm anonymous) I "let me hair down" more because I know I'm hiding behind a screen, but I don't use that to be malicious or anything, but I mean I can assert myself better online is what I'm saying.
Offline is ironically easier. I am good at intuitively saying what I know people want to hear. Like a couple of weeks ago a guy at work who I don't like much but don't let him know that, said he had found another job so will be leaving. I knew exactly what to say that was appropriate even though inwardly I was pleased to hear he was going. But my expressions and words were different to what I was really thinking. But he seemed touched by my "aw it's a shame to be losing you but I'm happy for you that you found another job you wanted" sort of words and gestures. I was interested in what his new job was so we casually struck up a conversation about it. I could sense that he wanted to see what my reaction would be when he told me about leaving, as we have had a few disagreements in the past, but he seemed happy with the response.
The way I, and most NTs see it, is being honest isn't always respectful. The most respectful thing to do is to give them what they want to hear. I understand the why and the how completely.
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Then what are you saying about being autistic and wanting to be an NT for?
And not that type of "honesty".
That's a hammer-and-all-are-nails bluntness honesty a stereotypical aspie would claim as honest.
Or the comedic social suicidal 'I'm a target kick me' honesty for the socially awkward.
I meant 'mirror' honesty, which IS closer to what NTs generally want to hear because it's more about themselves, and it shows more about themselves than the person who speaks to them.
And no, not all what everyone to hear and see precedes ideal outcome.
That's just agreeableness. Or pliantness. Or fear of uncertainty and conflict. Or worse, gullible naivety no different from being intimidated into give out all your guts to be spilled out.
If your instinct is to say what others want to hear, then maybe it is how you are perceived as weak.
This is also how less ideal dynamics in dysfunctional relationships stays unchanged and hard to leave, this is also how manipulation happens, this is also how enabling can continue, this is also how one detects a nice but not a particularly interesting person to hang around with.
This is how one can exploit an NT. This is also how NTs exploit one another.
Those are alternative views.
Make it as you will.
A "weak" persona can be used to an advantage. One can think of ways.
But does this personality resonate with you? You aim to fit in. But what are you fitting yourself into?
And yes, I do understand that there are certain things that are easier to express offline as opposed to online.
But this is the only means we have.
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I have about 600 “friends”…..and see maybe 5 of them over the course of a year.
At least they have you in their list though. With me, I could be getting along nicely with someone at work, they could have everybody else at work in their friends list, I send them a friend request and they reject it and disable me from being able to resend a friend request. Or they just have me follow them instead but not actually be Facebook friends. And this isn't just one occurrence with one person, it's happened way too many times.
I have RSD (check my signature) so having friends accepting me on Facebook goes a long way, even if I don't talk to them on Facebook. I don't take social rejection very well.
I just checked and I have 19 friends on FB.
They're all family members except for 2 former uni flatmates, my partner, and one of his brothers. I haven't posted on my FB account for years but I keep it so I can use Messenger.
Is it possible you give off a high-anxiety vibe around people, and that's what they're avoiding even though they like you? My mum is high-anxiety and I can't deal with her stress bombs most of the time because I have enough stress of my own to deal with. There's no way I'd add her on FB if she had a computer, even though I love her.
Another thought is that most of the people at your work are men. Maybe they're avoiding because they know your partner and they don't want to get in the middle of your relationship. That might sound like a reach but who knows? Are the women at work on your partner's friend list?
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I'm hoping that is the reason. But I have been rejected by women on Facebook too. I think my cousin has more women on her Facebook than men (she's in a relationship with a man too).
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While true, it can be a bit of a written record barometer of how things are in real life.. seeing as how you do anything is how you do everything.
If you’re awkward and antisocial on social media and avoided or blocked for it, chances are pretty good that you have some off-putting behaviours that are going to affect your social interactions in real life, too.
Fb and real life are Not the same, obvi, but there are some cross overs so if people notice things online especially due to there being a written/visual record of them, they might learn some lessons about how better to interact with people in the meatspace.
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..apples to oranges. Different gender identities don’t come with behaviours that are considered socially unacceptable.
Actually, that depends on the culture and location. Even in this day and age, in many places some things are considered too feminine or too masculine for certain genders, making those things socially improper. Same goes with what clothes one wears; if my 100+ kilos dad suddenly started walking around in the same kind of clothes that I do during summers 'cause he realized he doesn't identify as a man, he'd (she'd? they'd?) get nasty looks at absolute minimum. Of course, it'd be better if he didn't, but it just isn't socially acceptable for someone who looks like that to dress like described above in here, and most likely not in many other places, either. Again, it would be better if there were no tightly gendered clothes, but in many current societies they exists and that's a fact. Going very much against those norms is usually considered socially unacceptable behavior.
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..apples to oranges. Different gender identities don’t come with behaviours that are considered socially unacceptable.
Actually, that depends on the culture and location. Even in this day and age, in many places some things are considered too feminine or too masculine for certain genders, making those things socially improper. Same goes with what clothes one wears; if my 100+ kilos dad suddenly started walking around in the same kind of clothes that I do during summers 'cause he realized he doesn't identify as a man, he'd (she'd? they'd?) get nasty looks at absolute minimum. Of course, it'd be better if he didn't, but it just isn't socially acceptable for someone who looks like that to dress like described above in here, and most likely not in many other places, either. Again, it would be better if there were no tightly gendered clothes, but in many current societies they exists and that's a fact. Going very much against those norms is usually considered socially unacceptable behavior.
I get what you're saying about homophobic/transphobic bigots being judgemental hateful people for no particular good reason, but gender expression via clothing/accessories etc isn't a behaviour like actions & words are. ASD affects peoples' actual behaviours in dozens of possible ways deemed socially unacceptable, whereas someone identifying as a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth does not.
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..apples to oranges. Different gender identities don’t come with behaviours that are considered socially unacceptable.
Actually, that depends on the culture and location. Even in this day and age, in many places some things are considered too feminine or too masculine for certain genders, making those things socially improper. Same goes with what clothes one wears; if my 100+ kilos dad suddenly started walking around in the same kind of clothes that I do during summers 'cause he realized he doesn't identify as a man, he'd (she'd? they'd?) get nasty looks at absolute minimum. Of course, it'd be better if he didn't, but it just isn't socially acceptable for someone who looks like that to dress like described above in here, and most likely not in many other places, either. Again, it would be better if there were no tightly gendered clothes, but in many current societies they exists and that's a fact. Going very much against those norms is usually considered socially unacceptable behavior.
I get what you're saying about homophobic/transphobic bigots being judgemental hateful people for no particular good reason, but gender expression via clothing/accessories etc isn't a behaviour like actions & words are. ASD affects peoples' actual behaviours in dozens of possible ways deemed socially unacceptable, whereas someone identifying as a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth does not.
What gender one identifies as is not behavior, but personally I'd count what one decides to wear as a form of behavior. A harmless form of it, but lots of ASD -like behavior, like not looking people in the eyes or flapping hands (as long as they don't hit anyone or anything while at it) is just as harmless, it just makes some people uncomfortable, just like seeing someone dressing against the norm would to some people. Of course, if you're trying to point out that LBGT+ -people only do that one thing that potentially makes someone uncomfortable (dressing against the norm) while ASD people tend to do many things (no eye contact, flapping hands or other stimming, making wrong kind of faces in wrong situations, talking too loud/quiet etc.) then yes, that is correct as far as I know.
I don't want this thread to turn into a discussion about transgenders, I was merely using it as an example of majority Vs minority.
I hate being me, I mean why am I so painfully sensitive? I seem to be SCARED, as in TERRIFIED, of being disliked or having someone speak to me in a certain tone or have hostility aimed at me non-verbally. Is it that I have gotten more sensitive since losing my mum? Is it part of anxiety? Is it just typical RSD? Is it because it reminds me of how worthless I am and brings me back memories of my high school days when other kids wouldn't let me be part of their group?
I think I better start getting a type of job where I can work from home so that I won't have to feel the pain of other people's s**t. And because I'm worthless, people with work-related issues usually use me as a punchbag, which is acceptable if an NT does it to an Aspie, because we're apparently not deserving of respect or dignity. If I did it to an NT then people here would just lecture me that I lack empathy or something and that the person I'm taking my issues out on has feelings and all that crap. I have more insecurities than most NTs yet do I go around taking it out on other people who don't deserve it? No. Because I'm weak and too nice. So I get treated like s**t in return, which is OK because I'm just an Aspie.
And people wanna know why I hate being on the spectrum so much. It's shameful.
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Offline is ironically easier.
You are contradicting yourself there.
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Offline is ironically easier.
You are contradicting yourself there.
Explain.
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Serious question.
Maybe I have a thing about gender but just because I mention it it doesn't mean I want the thread derailed on to the subject.
My dad's job is to organise gender reveal parties and I get fascinated by the blue and pink matching things. But enough about gender for now. Please.
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Yes, I got a little confused then but I read my post where that paragraph was from and it makes more sense (as in less contradicting) in the post than it did quoted singley in your post.
What I meant there was I seem more intuitive when offline, as in knowing my social boundaries, but to me it seems easier to be more impulsive online and "crossing the line" by not taking so much notice of my social boundaries.
So offline it seems easier to hold my tongue without requiring much conscious thought.
So online it's easier to assert myself but is harder to keep my opinions to myself, and offline it's harder to assert myself but easier to keep my opinions to myself. I find this with a lot of people though. I think there's a term for it, like "keyboard happy" or something like that.
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