Sometimes I want to kill people

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**bristles**

I've been in all together too many fights. That's why this is important to me.

It's very important to me.

Please don't patronize me here.


My impressions of Wing Chun come from a friend who'se belted (green) in Jujitsu after studying Wing Chun for six years with two different Dojos- not sure what rank he got to- and from seeing it against some traditional forms of Karatie in sparring.

I'm not suggesting that it's never useful for self defense, only that it takes longer- more time in training- to be practically useful than other possiblilities.

Um. . . as far as I know, yes.

I dont think any painless activity learned in an air-conditioned gym can prepare someone for a triple crackhead face off in a darkened alley. Realistically, you WILL be in close contact with your opponent(s) & you will very likely get hurt. To have a decent chance of survival youll need to have some level of conditioning to that so you dont go into shock. Just my laymans POV...

The knife-fighting ebook i mentioned earlier touches on these psychological factors a lot and dangerous myths apparantly common to martial arts - if anyone wants a copy, just ask..

I wasn't, it was a straight question. What do you mean by bristles? Wing Chun doesn't have Dojos. Do you mean master or school? the master is called Sifu. Rank, well there no universally comparable as such it depend on the where you learn. Wing Chun ican be effective against karate, my sifu often demonstrates to karate and lots of different styles. We have several students from a karate background. I would say learning karate if anything makes them learn faster. Well at least was that case with a guy who started around the same time as me. I think it is really good to look at different styles. You start to see some similarities as well as the different. The whole point of an open style really. Another guy who started the same time as me did taekwondo as well some judo and something else.

My take is it will take just as long in the end. 'Soft' techniques naturally take long, I'm not arguing with you here they need to be very accurate. But it depends what you mean as practically useful. I'm trying to stress the point that things *can* be practically useful if the right situations arises. In other words trying to learn too fast is sometimes counter productive. Moves may fail, things can go wrong you get tired and you can no longer fight properly. That is why I'm interested in the uncommitted techniques and trying the nack of it. It is worthwhile especially for me who is very slight. Directness, sensitivity, responsiveness, power/speed through relaxation, and conserving your energy. These are things want to learn. It is not hokus pocus, it is very scientific.

Lol I was assaulted by crack heads waiting on a train platform on my own. I didn't have any martial arts training at the time. It was quite scared but in hindsight they were quite weak punchers and not well balanced at all. But two people one holding a bottle, that he swung about a centre metre away from my head to get me scared. So that is sort of besides the point.

I made a stupid mistake of moving away in the wrong direction from the one exit. But I was sort of talking to them at the same time, which actually I think was a good strategy. Not getting more riled up, just sort of responding to them even though they were pretty incoherent from being so stoned. So I realised because they were not light on their feet I could edge round them and then legged fast. I didn't stop running for half a mile till I could get into a town and into a crowded pub, but they made no attempt to run after me. After I cooled down I saw a police man outside. Long and the Short they got 6 months, 4 for me and 2 for someone else who didn't actually give a formal statement I believe. It was right under two security cameras lol. The worst part was the spit in my hair and I didn't shower till after they took a swab from it some hours later (this was before they had checked the tapes were ok). No regrets.

Unarmed combat with someone with a knife is pretty damn dangerous full stop. Sifu does do knife training, for the very advanced students. Like a lot of stuff like this he has to do it on an individual basis at his home.

wow! - sounds like you handled it really well. Im sure talking would have made an excellent distraction technique.

Ive heard if you say something completely random and disarming you can make someone snap out of the conflict dynamic iyswim. Probably doesnt work perfectly with crackheads, but harnesssing their natural gift for talking s**t can only help.

Im not sure if im better off knowing or not, but what station was that if you dont mind me asking?

You can get bruises, scratches, small cuts. Some people get worse injuries, but that is usually caused by lack of control or incorrect technique.

There is little point in a teacher that all they want to do is hurt their students. They do exist, it is generally considered a poor reflection on themselves it is the same thing as expecting their system to work like that in real life, when they are setting the person up.

The problem with not getting bruises is a. it is pretty enviable eventually. b. It is not bad as it seems most of the bruises I got are from ‘emergency’ blocks so it comes down to poor technique. It is a good way to learn

Well with crack heads their cognition will be impaired especially the speech part. So talking to them actually slows down their thinking, ties them up.

You don't want to know. It was Porchester in other words a s**t whole on the outskirts of Portsmouth. There is nothing there but industrial estates that double as a red light area at night, an estate where people are moved to because nobody would ever want to live there. the train station was a complete milk stop (naturally). Just two platforms, never manned. It was around 7 o’clock at night on a Sunday starting to get dark I was on my own because I had been doing unpaid overtime as I hated working with people and could get any work done. Pacing like I do as I waited for my train in 15 minutes.

Are you an insomniac? I should go to bed. These meds they make me drowsy yet I can’t sleep.

You may not call them dojos, but he does; I believe they were of the same school. I distinguish between masters and studios because of the amount of teaching that seems to come from advanced students.

I feel I can stand by my original statement, which was:

I (having never extensively studied Wing Chun) think three months of concentrated self defense training would probably leave someone as prepared for a conflict as a year and a half of Wing Chun, but without as much to build on.

It doesn't take years to learn the very useful basics of how to handle one's self in a fight.

I didn't say that forms that take a long time to learn can never be useful; I said that if you want to learn self defense, there are faster ways. . . I even pointed out, or tried to point out, that the forms which take longer to learn initially have other advantages- more to build on. . . At any rate, I don't know about you, but when I started studying martial arts, it was because I was tired of loosing. . . nothing good happens when you loose in real life. . . and I didn't particularly want to wait for the training to kick in months upon months down the line. In other situations, slower, more precise training could be very clearly the way to go. . . not in mine, and I doubt in this one.


P.S. Bristles- verb- think of when a cat arches it's back and hisses at you.

Meow

There just isn't a word dojo. I believe dojo is Japanese. But anyway I understand what your saying taken it on board. All I was saying is 3 months self defence training or indeed wing chun and jujitsu is not going to allow you to be 100% sure you can handle yourself with those moves you know. Maybe not even 20%. So it is worthwhile sticking with your style.