It's NOT Easy Being Republican

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Do you think it's wrong to insult people who disagree with you?
Yes 78%  78%  [ 38 ]
No 22%  22%  [ 11 ]
Total votes : 49

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02 Aug 2013, 2:24 pm

The thing that annoys me is a lot of democrats feel it's ok to insult Republicans if it's "what they believe is right" but it doesn't work the other way around.

But to be honest, that is American politics. It's all name calling, and I see it done just as much by Democrats as I do Republicans.

We need to abolish political parties and make people think for themselves. I can't tell you how many people I've met who say "I vote Democrat" and can't even name things the party stands for. Same with Republicans.

But I think the most annoying thing is seeing some of the hypocritical behavior. Can you imagine if Bush was in office when Snowden leaked all that info? Can you imagine if Bush had been in office when Bengazi happened? Yet Democrats seem to just want to write Obama a blank check.

I hope that the Republicans can field a sensible candidate in 2016. A candidate who believes in responsible sized government and individual freedom. Not a war hawk who is obsessed with female reproductive organs and gay marriage or an old new england yuppie.

And I agree, Rush Limbaugh is nothing more than a propoganda machine, same thing that MSNBC and CNN are turning into. (If you dint' notice, they would cut away every time a non-white male Republican spoke during the RNC)



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02 Aug 2013, 2:38 pm

It is really not that long ago (1976) when being a Democrat meant you roasted live babies on a iron pike over open fires and danced around the entrails. During the Reagan years I was openly laughed at in the streets for wearing a "I'm Proud to be a Democrat" button. So it goes around, and it comes around.

So if you have a problem showing your political allegiance, just wait, it will turn around eventually.


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03 Aug 2013, 1:15 am

I was driving past the headquarters of the GOP in Seattle one time, and there was a sign in the window that said "you are not alone"...


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03 Aug 2013, 1:07 pm

StewartMango wrote:
I have no problems with Democrats, but sometimes when I state my opinion some start calling me names, like homophobic, bigot, racist, ignorant, selfish, or other mean insults, because they disagree with me, not to mention they often curse me off too.

Don't you HATE when people taunt or threaten to harm you because they disagree with you?

Like when Miss California said she was against Same-Sex Marriage and the media attacked her!
Or how Keith Olbermann is always bad mouthing Bill O'Reilly, even Bill never said anything about him.


Well I guess it all depends on what you're doing. If you say "Hey, I'm a republican" and someone calls you a homophobe or whatever out of the blue, then that is just a baseless insult. However, if you speak out against gay rights and someone calls that viewpoint homophobic, then they could be onto something (though I think that is still trying to get away with an ad hominem).

Now I'm from the UK but my understanding is that MSNBC and Fox news are always attacking each other and they're both awful "news" stations anyway. As for Miss California, I suppose the media backlash was totally over the top but doesn't your first amendment say that everyone has a right to freedom of speech? Just as she is allowed to to share her views on national television, everyone else is allowed to comment on it and share their views.

Nevertheless, in casual conversation I find it disappointing that there are people that refuse to associate with people because the person doesn't associate with their own political stance. I think a lot of the time in american politics everything is divided into left and right, which to me is the most misguided way of looking at the world.

By the way, if I have to choose a side it'd be on the left.



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05 Aug 2013, 7:26 pm

mikemmlj wrote:
I don't mind that you intelectually disagree with same sex marriage, but I question your motives. I think straight people "get off" on picking on weak little homos like me, your motivation for being against gay rights may be purely intellectual. But you haven't been beat up for being gay, or kicked out of the military for being gay or any thing else.

I didn't choose to be a queer (sexually or mentally!) so I don't understand why you want to limit how many rights I have.
I'm Bisexual, and I intellectually disagree with gay rights.

Not everyone who disagrees is straight. We come in a whole 'rainbow' too. And you can't claim that gays are the 'picked on people' when gays are quite notorious for 'picking on' bisexuals. :evil:

Anyway @ StewartMango, I am not Republican, but I do wince whenever someone starts bashing. I don't always agree with what they stand for (like the environment, the economy and a few Repubs assuming everybody on welfare is a welfare queen) but I do agree with a lot of what they tend to say.

I also think people just like finding an enemy to blame all their troubles on. And whenever that enemy disappears, they shift the blame to someone else. Next decade it will likely be off the Repubs, and onto some other political group.


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08 Aug 2013, 5:50 pm

I posted this topic 4 years ago and in those years I have became more liberal. I'm still registered as a Republican though. Also liberal or not I still think it's childish to insult people based on their opinion.


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09 Aug 2013, 11:48 pm

amazon_television wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Michjo wrote:
I think the main problem is that people identify themselves as "Republican" or "Democrat" in the first place. Both parties fluidly change their beliefs to achieve the highest amount of votes. Neither of the parties truely "stand" for anything in particular. If you want people to listen to your beliefs when it comes to politics, instead of identifying with a party, just state who you voted for and why. Then people can't mistakenly attribute abhorant ideals to you.


Very well-stated.


It is well-stated, but unfortunately in the U.S. it simply isn't true. Americans LOVE labels, republican/democrat for example, because it gives them a point of reference and doesn't require them to memorize (and, after all's said and done, really pay attention to whatsoever) an individual's actual spectrum of beliefs.

In this very thread, I acknowledged sympathy for the OP and suggested that people are misguided in defining the republican party by the actions and words of a few radical and well-known media figures. For that, I was immediately "labeled" a republican, despite the fact that I unequivocally stated in the same post that I am not a republican.

The part of michjo's post that is definitely true is that politics is a numbers game more than anything else, and hence, people are more concerned with which way your vote goes and WHO and WHAT you are supporting. The WHY, the actual substance of political beliefs, is far less important, and to many people these function only as data points to guide the formation of a "label".

It's a really sad state of affairs.


This is why I'm an independent. I hate the American Party system because most people vote based on the D/R label rather than knowing anything about the actual candidate. The party system is also just a constant war between democrats and republicans that causes the people to forget the issue half the time. I wish there were no parties at all, even though I'm probably the minority who has this opinion. George Washington once said "I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discrimination. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally." He was 100% correct in warning Americans about the party system.

When it comes to major issues, I am usually more conservative in economic policies and more liberal in social policies. I am Christian, but I don't hate other groups of people. I also support gay rights and marriage. It's unfortunate that so much hate goes to Christians because most of them don't hate people with other beliefs. A few fundamentalist groups ruined most people's viewpoint of the whole religion. The same thing happened with Muslim people after the 9/11 attacks. People are too likely to look at one bad image of something and believe that all members of the group are the same way. It's unfortunate that people are so narrow minded that they are unable to see the bigger picture and what the true norm is for someone of a specific group/religion.



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10 Aug 2013, 10:09 pm

I personally am Progressive but even thou I am not Republican I do agree with you that it is wrong of Liberals to call you names because they disagree with you. I'm from an area that's very hard-core Republican & the more extrem 1s tend to be hateful & name callers but at the same time they are plenty who aren't. There's lots of name-calling on both ends of the spectrum && some are giant hypocrites for getting raving mad at the other party for name calling when they are quick to do it themselves. It's one thing to disagree with & even go as so for as to hate various political ideologies but but I think it's really sad that some have forgotten that individuals make up those various political ideologies.


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12 Aug 2013, 1:35 am

Edited: Didn't see you made this thread four years ago.



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12 Aug 2013, 1:38 am

sinsboldly wrote:
It is really not that long ago (1976) when being a Democrat meant you roasted live babies on a iron pike over open fires and danced around the entrails. During the Reagan years I was openly laughed at in the streets for wearing a "I'm Proud to be a Democrat" button. So it goes around, and it comes around.

So if you have a problem showing your political allegiance, just wait, it will turn around eventually.


Politics is like a pendulum. Right now the pendulum has swung to the left and will stay there for a while, but eventually it will swing to the right, then the left again, and so on.