Why did God make people with AS?

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I know it's only your opinion.....but when exactly IS Jesus (* feel free to insert your own "deeper and higher spiritual" entity/principal/authority, etc....here*) going to bring the pork chops already?

This odd little species of ours has been talking about a myriad of "deeper and higher" spiritual realities for tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of years now.

Idk....I respect everyone's opinion about it all....but it sure SEEMS like science keeps closing the "god/spiritual" gaps and the religious/spiritual just keep manufacturing new ones even more implausible then the old.


It's just gets tiresome IMO....I would think we could just issue a collective over all things spiritual/supernatural already and increase our knowledge (and application thereof) about things we CAN know. Neither science nor logic is up to the task of demonstrating the existence of spirit. A mass spectrometer cannot analyze the composition of an Enochian angel. A syllogism will never be able to evoke the shade of Hermes Trismegistus. The subjective experiences of supposedly clairvoyant people won't cut it either no matter how many millions of books Oprah manages to sell for them Finally....i'd say the "spiritual" individual themselves ought to retain a great deal of skepticism in regards to the supposedly non-physical source of their experiences. It would seem like some pretty influential spiritual individuals would agree with my final statement too.




"In this book it is spoken of the Sephiroth and the Paths; of Spirits and Conjurations; of Gods, Spheres, Planes, and many other things which may or may not exist. It is immaterial whether these exist or not. By doing certain things certain results will follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophic validity to any of them."
— Aleister Crowley (Magick in Theory and Practice)

not necessarily. women need testosterone to function, as well. men, in turn, also need some estrogen, although not as much as women.

Ditto.

you weren't talking about what people need to function, you were talking about a term coined by WWE wrestler Mankind, from the term "balls" commonly used everywhere.

Now, tell me about how it takes balls to do the right thing again?

Yeah and God giveth the NTs social skills and taketh away genius... (just kidding).

I consider AS to be a condition which contains both advantages and challenges. Or abilities and disabilities, if you like.

Speaking of it in a Christian / theological manner, I'd say that it is a condition which contains both gifts / blessings and challenges / a cross, or thorn in the flesh maybe. Which can also turn into a blessing, as Paul writes in 2.Cor. 12, where he tells that the thorn wasn't taken away from him, but God told him that his grace was enough to Paul, and that his power would unfold in Paul's lack of power.
(However, what Paul's thorn was, we don't know. But I don't think he was aspie. )

If I may dare to participate in this fine altercation, or whatever it is this is.
I'm not particularly adept at presenting my own arguments, but that won't stop me from leeching on the words of greater people.

As Bo Giertz puts it:
"God could put a stop to suffering, but only by getting rid of everyone who causes it. He doesn't want to do that. That would entail passing judgment. That judgment won't come before God has exhausted all His possibilities of saving more of His lost children, freeing them from the grasp of wickedness and leading them into the kingdom of forgiveness.
So God takes His time. He's patient. He gives the world yet another period of grace, and people abuse it by doing even more evil. That's the price that has to be paid for mercy and grace. Suffering affects evil and good, the unrepentant as well as the repentant. Many become bitter and hard-hearted. When it affects God's children, however, God wants them to understand the connection. They should be willing to suffer so forgiveness will constantly be available to the world".

Following prayer:
"Lord Jesus, You have suffered for us. When you were reviled, You didn't revile. When You suffered, You didn't threaten. You prayed for Your executioners and died for Your tormentors. You suffered rather than judged, and You still refuse to judge our evil world. Instead, You keep the door open to the kingdom of forgiveness and let Your call go out.
Lord, then it's an honor and a privilege to suffer for You that Your blessing can reach out into the world..."

I tend to agree with Mr. Giertz's sentiment, and I don't see why anyone (of a Christian inclination) wouldn't.
As for suffering not caused by humans, that too, I believe, is caused by a fallen world. God is not the only force at work, we also have that twit who lives in our basement (and I'm not talking about basement cat).

You would think an OMNISCIENT god would know a lost cause before he even created them.




God is still supposed to be omniscient isn't he?

I see 3 theories:

1. Those of us who have AS usually tend to be more honest than those without, that means that we tend to be the ones which are better suited at calling out people who need calling out.

2. I at least find that those of us with AS tend to be more analytical, that means that we can easily figure out the problems and try to fix them. That means we can use our abilities to prevent people from making stupid mistakes and try to fix the issues in the world.

3. We tend to be the ones who usually step in and change traditional thinking. Face it, NTs will normally attempt to fit in, which means going with the grains instead of against them. Without those of us who go against standard concepts and thinking, we would be a lot further back in scientific thinking.

Who/Whom (I can never keep those straight!), and what "lost cause"?

If you mean all of humanity, we have yet to prove to be a "lost cause".
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... or how about "more drawn to truth being freely shared?"



... thereby discerning truth and falsehood?



Or, to at least see it for what it is:

“O Yahuah, my strength and my stronghold and my refuge, in the day of distress the gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, ‘Our fathers have inherited only [traditional or “handed down”] lies, vanity and futility in which there is no value ...’” (Jeremiah 16:19)

However, these are actually the days of Elijah!

Well, the way i see it, the concept of a God is just an attempt to corral and unify people. Its been that way for well over 5000 years. Christianity is only within 2000 years old, and was the first (i think) to get full scale publication of its writings. My philosophy is this: believe in whatever god/deity you will, no one in the world has the right to force their view of it on you, and no book can tell you how to go about it. The core of most religions (in an ideal world) is to become a better human . . . morally, spiritually, and ethically speaking.

As for blame, well, thats always a hard thing: 1) There may be a root of the problem, but 9 times out of time, the circumstances were out of your hands in the first place. 2) If you have enough time to complain about it, then you have enough time to think about your situation and come up with some ideas to get out of it. 3) Risks may have to be taken (and yes, im among those that abhor risks to no end), but you must take them knowing that they may or may not turn out the way you expected/needed. In the end, its all about how you're willing to change to make your life better and more meaningful to you . . . <end of line>.

Thinking at least of unification: By whose design might that ever actually happen?

Few people would want mine, and I am not very intrigued by others'.

So, we might as well just look to the One who created us if we expect to make any gain at all?

1. God is omnipotent.
.: Therefore , god needs no reason to do things.

It takes balls to do some things, having aspie children would be one of them, I mean, balls would be necessary among other things for them to be born, although that doesn't mean to be necessarily the right thing.

I didn't mean all of humanity, but as far as this discussion is concerned, it really doesn't matter whether I meant all of humanity or particular individuals.

All i'm saying is that an omniscient god would know "a lost cause" (however we're defining "lost causes") even before creating it. Unless we are going to alter our understanding of what it means to be omniscient, then I really don't see how god couldn't know the ultimate outcome of everything before he called it into existence.

In fact...long before calling it into existence ...like an eternity before.



So assuming god knew a person/place/thing to be a "lost cause" prior to creating it...why would he do so?



Needless to say...this is assuming god is omniscient and the creator of all things. I've yet to hear a Judeo-Christian claim god was something less then both.

Btw.....I mean no offense whatsoever. This is just the way my mind works and I really don't think I can help it. The existence of an omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent personal god just seems impossible to me.

No offense taken, our minds work as they do, and I was hoping you were not offended!

I have questions at least similar to yours, and I do not yet have answers. However, there are times even we go on ahead and do things even though we already "know" (logically and/or otherwise highly suspect) the outcome might not be the most-pleasing one possible.

Any parent knows another child is going to get hurt and disobey, yet more children are conceived every day.

Somewhere in there is room for a Creator who gives us free will even though He very well knows there will be some sadness ahead.

OK so I'm not very good at expressing my thoughts into words, so what!