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08 May 2015, 3:38 am

27. :( you?
I was usually ahead of other men in maturity. wanting long term relationships and marriage while other men just want lots of sex. saving and being responsible while my friends spend all their paychecks on liquor and other similar things.
though I'm still silly and playful at heart. never lost my imagination.

sadly the concept of a man's worthy equalling his job and income is universal to all age groups. though most the women I went on dates with were young like 20ish. i think most women like older men because older men are more likely to have careers and money. something I won't ever have.

perhaps in a way. I think relationships have become a business transaction to most. sex in exchange for money and status. its even less sense now that most women have jobs that pay similar in in a lot of cases here more than men. more women go to college than men. the trend of men working more is slowly changing. yet they still expect men to make more than them. ^o.o>

must be nice to have people to go hang out with. I wish I had someone ot go to movies with, walk with, or hang out with. what movie did you see most recent?


need is a bad word. its like a fire extinguisher. you'd rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it. I hope to never need to use it, but if I do, I'll be dang glad to have it. most people don't' though millions of people here have had to. most of the time just pulling it out is enough to stop the threat though, but one must be ready to use it if it doesn't. its mostly safe here but random stuff still happens and our police force is being reduced due to budget cuts, some areas in my state don't' have police anymore.

nope I use a Double Edge safety razor. its the grandfather to the modern disposables most people in the west use. has guards and a single blade on each side. I 'd cut myself if used straight razor or open comb DE razor probably. I use to hate shaving. wet shaving though is relaxing, hardly cuts me now, and way cheaper. its also fun to use brush and variety of soap scents. when I used modern 5 blade razors I'd get cut 5-15 times. my face would hurt for days and I would cry and feel so horrible. the DE razor used with soap lather just glides over my skin with no need to press down on it. I do 2-3 passes and I'm done. then follow with a balm after. use 1 $.08 blade a week. women do it too but for their legs and underarms. I think if I ever got a wife I'd try to get her into it so she wouldn't be mad at all the soaps I have.

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^my razor. its a less agressive one.

don't think you were being dense. hugs

yeah and to top it off my speech was the longest of the bunch.
thought it was cute language but just wanted to be sure I had it right.

yeah was finding them in they shower, one time I showered then when done one was in tub near my feet. :S dont' know how they kept getting into the bathroom. now I check every time very closely before showering. one time found two of them together. idk. luckily hobs bits at most will just lead to losing a limb unless its bit is on neck or face. it makes your skin rot I guess. it can be treated if caught early but looks like just a pimple at firt til it opens up and then too late. if i remember right. so I try to stay clear of them. black widows can kill a human so its super important to not go near them. hobo spiders supposedly are very afraid of bigger things, but they are narrow sighted and so they see something and dont' know what and attack not knowing its something 100 times bigger. they jump . but can't climb over 2 feet. they also known as the aggressive house spider.
snakes scare me and I can't touch them or people that touched them without them washing up. I'm a bit of a germaphobe. I had a snake once but because of this I could never touch him. so family mostly dealt with him. they look cool though. which is why I wanted one. I like cats, foxes and fish. and cuddling women. thats bout my touching limit except can't touch fish. except one we had in our pond back when I was a kid

glad I didn't try to google it then. :S

they sounded cute and funny. yeah I suppose, but should have corrected me too so I didn't go around outside saying I saw a f**k. :roll: must be funny and embarrassing for your parents your brother doing that.
yeah and sex actually makes me more emotionally attached. its very vulnuerable thing. I hear thats why women like sex and giving bjs. I did try it though. wasn't for me.

perhaps. a few fields here do both paintball and airsoft since neither alone would pay their bills. yeah I still have all my airsoft gear. just an't afford to go anymore. use to always dream of taking my gf if I ever got one.

they don't need me to validate it its validated by all the other women who agree and support it :(
I have? ^o.o>
because they say real men drive trucks. like real men go mudding and real men hunt, etc.
I had a big van downsized cause trucks and vans that get 12 miles per gallon dont' make practical sense vs a car that gets 30mpg.

I'd likely just see you as being kind and nice like an acquaintance. I once thought these women liked me but turns out that it was just hem being nice and friendly. I don't think women flirt with me. its a safer mindset then thinking that such things are flirting when most likely are just being nice.
asking me out would maybe though I don't' know what I'd do, never had that happen.



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10 May 2015, 9:06 pm

I'm sorry you're feeling so badly, lately, Sly. I'm hoping you don't do anything to hurt yourself, because I've always enjoyed / appreciated your posts. I think you have alot of good sense!

I'm twice your age, as well----but, if I were your age, and living in the northwest, I'd definitely be interested in dating you. I like camping, of course, and being outside, walking, and shooting, as well----I wouldn't wanna kill anything, either. I love animals, though----but, if you could take the patience to teach me paintball, I could / would have the patience to help you with your fear of animals. I kill most bugs, though----ladybugs, lightning bugs, and grandaddy longlegs, I set outside, though.

BTW, having alot of bugs in the bathroom might be because they're coming-up through the pipes----that's what they do at my place, so I keep the drains plugged-up (closed), at-ALL-times (except for when I shower; the sink's plunger's been up, for YEARS).

As others have said, don't let other people define you. You may have been wanting an actual relationship since such a young age, because you wanted / were hoping to find someone who "approved" of you; but, you have to have that approval of YOURSELF. Once you get okay with yourself, no one can take that away from you, and you won't need anyone else's approval----you need ONLY to live-by / meet your OWN standards----NO ONE ELSE'S. If YOU feel you're a good person (I certainly believe you are), if YOU feel your standards / morals / values, are good, then that's ALL that matters!! Then, once you're happy with yourself, other people will be happy with you----and, love / respect, will follow! People who put other people down, do so to make themselves feel better about themselves----and they're / that's PATHETIC----and you don't want to be ANYTHING like them----their standards aren't good enough, for YOU----you're better than that----never forget that!!

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12 May 2015, 3:51 pm

you like my posts?

what about all my negatives though?

I hadn't thought of that. though I do check the toilet for spiders every time.



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12 May 2015, 5:29 pm

yeh those red-backed ones are scary.



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13 May 2015, 7:19 am

sly279 wrote:
you like my posts?

YES! You seem to put REAL thought into your posts----like, your posts in PPR! Also, you're very young, and whether or not I agree with you, I feel you offer a real contribution to this site----meaning, I think you speak / think, very maturely!!

what about all my negatives though?

Well, if you mean negative, as in THIS thread, I feel you're just having a hard time, right now----we've ALL had those times----and, you're just needing some encouragement; there's nothing wrong with that!

If you mean "negative", in regard to OTHER issues----I don't think you're negative, just because you might disagree with someone.


I hadn't thought of that. though I do check the toilet for spiders every time.

I don't think spiders would come-UP through toilet pipes, as there's always water in the bowl.






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13 May 2015, 3:51 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:
sly279 wrote:
you like my posts?

YES! You seem to put REAL thought into your posts----like, your posts in PPR! Also, you're very young, and whether or not I agree with you, I feel you offer a real contribution to this site----meaning, I think you speak / think, very maturely!!

what about all my negatives though?

Well, if you mean negative, as in THIS thread, I feel you're just having a hard time, right now----we've ALL had those times----and, you're just needing some encouragement; there's nothing wrong with that!

If you mean "negative", in regard to OTHER issues----I don't think you're negative, just because you might disagree with someone.


I hadn't thought of that. though I do check the toilet for spiders every time.

I don't think spiders would come-UP through toilet pipes, as there's always water in the bowl.



interesting, and I'm not young anymore. 27 now. almost 30. young is those 15-25 year olds. idk I think i just irritate people here.

thanks, although I meant my negatives in like not having a decent middle class job, or a good car and my own place, not being real man. etc.

I wish everyone could agree and get along, but I know that is impossible.

idk I've seen videos of them in toilets. idk if they crawl in from outside though, but I check every time to be safe.



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13 May 2015, 5:19 pm

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I hadn't thought of that. though I do check the toilet for spiders every time. interesting, and I'm not young anymore. 27 now. almost 30. young is those 15-25 year olds. idk I think i just irritate people here. thanks, although I meant my negatives in like not having a decent middle class job, or a good car and my own place, not being real man. etc. I wish everyone could agree and get along, but I know that is impossible. idk I've seen videos of them in toilets. idk if they crawl in from outside though, but I check every time to be safe.

27 is still YOUNG. 40 years until retirement via social security. you have a LOT of time left. you are in the springtime of your years yet. I didn't manage to get a lower-middle-class job until my 30s. I didn't manage to get my own place until my parents passed [late 40s] and I inherited a bit. still single in my 5th decade with no sign of any change. I wish I was your age again, I'd do it again better this time. my point is I don't want you to make my mistakes, I want you to get a clue unlike me who still doesn't have a clue.



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14 May 2015, 2:29 am

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I hadn't thought of that. though I do check the toilet for spiders every time. interesting, and I'm not young anymore. 27 now. almost 30. young is those 15-25 year olds. idk I think i just irritate people here. thanks, although I meant my negatives in like not having a decent middle class job, or a good car and my own place, not being real man. etc. I wish everyone could agree and get along, but I know that is impossible. idk I've seen videos of them in toilets. idk if they crawl in from outside though, but I check every time to be safe.

27 is still YOUNG. 40 years until retirement via social security. you have a LOT of time left. you are in the springtime of your years yet. I didn't manage to get a lower-middle-class job until my 30s. I didn't manage to get my own place until my parents passed [late 40s] and I inherited a bit. still single in my 5th decade with no sign of any change. I wish I was your age again, I'd do it again better this time. my point is I don't want you to make my mistakes, I want you to get a clue unlike me who still doesn't have a clue.


by that time table I wont' get if ever a middle class job til I'm 40-50. 27 is almost 30 its done deal, women in their 30s want middle class guys to have family with, they don't' want pretty much virgin, poor guys ugly guys. really i don't know if I want to live past 30 i think 35 was putting it too far. I want to live but why live if nothing to live for.
you're a far stronger person then me. I can't imagine putting up with this s**t of life more than the 8 years if that.

I'm not even excited for the possibility of getting a job anymore. sure hope that won't hurt my interviews. but its doesn't matter or make a difference If I get a job or not I'm still worthless. talk about killing any ambition I had. requirement is set so high I'll never reach it. like a you must be high sign to small people.



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by that time table I wont' get if ever a middle class job til I'm 40-50. 27 is almost 30 its done deal, women in their 30s want middle class guys to have family with, they don't' want pretty much virgin, poor guys ugly guys. really i don't know if I want to live past 30 i think 35 was putting it too far. I want to live but why live if nothing to live for. you're a far stronger person then me. I can't imagine putting up with this s**t of life more than the 8 years if that. I'm not even excited for the possibility of getting a job anymore. sure hope that won't hurt my interviews. but its doesn't matter or make a difference If I get a job or not I'm still worthless. talk about killing any ambition I had. requirement is set so high I'll never reach it. like a you must be high sign to small people.

I got the job strictly by luck and nothing more- they had a wave of people quitting the job, most with no warning, because it was a high-stress job in a hospital. I took it because it was the ONLY job that anybody would hire me for. I am sure that you will do better but you need to give it time, you never know what will happen tomorrow. keep looking and keep putting in applications, I put my application in for the last job I unofficially retired from [health problems], the hospital job, about 3 months before they called me back. your luck can't be any worse than mine.



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I hadn't thought of that. though I do check the toilet for spiders every time. interesting, and I'm not young anymore. 27 now. almost 30. young is those 15-25 year olds. idk I think i just irritate people here. thanks, although I meant my negatives in like not having a decent middle class job, or a good car and my own place, not being real man. etc. I wish everyone could agree and get along, but I know that is impossible. idk I've seen videos of them in toilets. idk if they crawl in from outside though, but I check every time to be safe.

27 is still YOUNG. 40 years until retirement via social security. you have a LOT of time left. you are in the springtime of your years yet. I didn't manage to get a lower-middle-class job until my 30s. I didn't manage to get my own place until my parents passed [late 40s] and I inherited a bit. still single in my 5th decade with no sign of any change. I wish I was your age again, I'd do it again better this time. my point is I don't want you to make my mistakes, I want you to get a clue unlike me who still doesn't have a clue.


by that time table I wont' get if ever a middle class job til I'm 40-50. 27 is almost 30 its done deal, women in their 30s want middle class guys to have family with, they don't' want pretty much virgin, poor guys ugly guys. really i don't know if I want to live past 30 i think 35 was putting it too far. I want to live but why live if nothing to live for.
you're a far stronger person then me. I can't imagine putting up with this s**t of life more than the 8 years if that.

I'm not even excited for the possibility of getting a job anymore. sure hope that won't hurt my interviews. but its doesn't matter or make a difference If I get a job or not I'm still worthless. talk about killing any ambition I had. requirement is set so high I'll never reach it. like a you must be high sign to small people.


I stumbled on your bearded photo last week and I see nothing ugly there :scratch:

And I think anyone with scruple and modesty and kindness will feel a bit "worthless" in this world where usually only greed, vanity and social climbing matters.

But you're not worthless to us, other "worthless" people, we care and wish you the best in finding someone congenital.

and i really don't get those who prescribe "worth" to people as measured by income or social status, as if there's a price tag to be put on people as a measure of their worth, it reminds me of the slave markets, when the owner would put price tags on the slaves and they'd be sold according to them.



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14 May 2015, 8:59 am

Hi Sly

When I read your posts and you mention that 27 is old, too old for any prospects in life, it honestly freaks me out, because I'm 32, and essentially back at the starting line in life. I had a lot, but now its gone, and the things that I value are very different to when I was 27, I suppose loss makes you distinguish needs from desires.

Since the break up with my husband, different people have offered me advice and some of it has been quite practical. I went to a kinesthesiologist, (an unusual experience) one of the guided visualizations was to imagine myself taking a long journey over mountain terrain, highs and lows, sunshine and rain and to down to a pleasant valley at the end, where I gave myself advice from an older persons perspective.

Another guided visualization was moving towards old age in decades, pausing to note how different my life would be within those ten year milestones and giving my younger self that advice, concluding with imagining myself past retirement age, comfortable, sitting in a room by myself, but with familiar voices in the room next door.

Okay, I know these methods would not suit everyone, and I was quite skeptical, but it helped me to face the fear of being alone and miserable, and view those fears from a less anxious perspective.
When I read your words stating that 27 is too old, and I feel anxiety creep in, I visualize myself as that comfortable older person, and remember the advice I gave myself at the end of the mountain visualization.

Essentially that life changes, nothing is permanent (both the good and the bad), what seems crucial to me in my 30s, will not be as significant in my 40s and so forth, that I can make it through life by myself and I will experience joy and sadness along the way. I can make the most of opportunities and chance, but I can't really control any of it.



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14 May 2015, 1:40 pm

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by that time table I wont' get if ever a middle class job til I'm 40-50. 27 is almost 30 its done deal, women in their 30s want middle class guys to have family with, they don't' want pretty much virgin, poor guys ugly guys. really i don't know if I want to live past 30 i think 35 was putting it too far. I want to live but why live if nothing to live for. you're a far stronger person then me. I can't imagine putting up with this s**t of life more than the 8 years if that. I'm not even excited for the possibility of getting a job anymore. sure hope that won't hurt my interviews. but its doesn't matter or make a difference If I get a job or not I'm still worthless. talk about killing any ambition I had. requirement is set so high I'll never reach it. like a you must be high sign to small people.

I got the job strictly by luck and nothing more- they had a wave of people quitting the job, most with no warning, because it was a high-stress job in a hospital. I took it because it was the ONLY job that anybody would hire me for. I am sure that you will do better but you need to give it time, you never know what will happen tomorrow. keep looking and keep putting in applications, I put my application in for the last job I unofficially retired from [health problems], the hospital job, about 3 months before they called me back. your luck can't be any worse than mine.


idk, I honestly have no excitement anymore for work. hearing how anything under 20ish is worthless , its just pointless. so if I'm on ssi or if I'm working my hardest at a job I'm still worthless. seems it'd be far easier to just stay on ssi. probably a whole lot less harmful to my mental state.



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I hadn't thought of that. though I do check the toilet for spiders every time. interesting, and I'm not young anymore. 27 now. almost 30. young is those 15-25 year olds. idk I think i just irritate people here. thanks, although I meant my negatives in like not having a decent middle class job, or a good car and my own place, not being real man. etc. I wish everyone could agree and get along, but I know that is impossible. idk I've seen videos of them in toilets. idk if they crawl in from outside though, but I check every time to be safe.

27 is still YOUNG. 40 years until retirement via social security. you have a LOT of time left. you are in the springtime of your years yet. I didn't manage to get a lower-middle-class job until my 30s. I didn't manage to get my own place until my parents passed [late 40s] and I inherited a bit. still single in my 5th decade with no sign of any change. I wish I was your age again, I'd do it again better this time. my point is I don't want you to make my mistakes, I want you to get a clue unlike me who still doesn't have a clue.


by that time table I wont' get if ever a middle class job til I'm 40-50. 27 is almost 30 its done deal, women in their 30s want middle class guys to have family with, they don't' want pretty much virgin, poor guys ugly guys. really i don't know if I want to live past 30 i think 35 was putting it too far. I want to live but why live if nothing to live for.
you're a far stronger person then me. I can't imagine putting up with this s**t of life more than the 8 years if that.

I'm not even excited for the possibility of getting a job anymore. sure hope that won't hurt my interviews. but its doesn't matter or make a difference If I get a job or not I'm still worthless. talk about killing any ambition I had. requirement is set so high I'll never reach it. like a you must be high sign to small people.


I stumbled on your bearded photo last week and I see nothing ugly there :scratch:

And I think anyone with scruple and modesty and kindness will feel a bit "worthless" in this world where usually only greed, vanity and social climbing matters.

But you're not worthless to us, other "worthless" people, we care and wish you the best in finding someone congenital.

and i really don't get those who prescribe "worth" to people as measured by income or social status, as if there's a price tag to be put on people as a measure of their worth, it reminds me of the slave markets, when the owner would put price tags on the slaves and they'd be sold according to them.


I shave now, though it makes the acne more visible. :roll: how did you stumble on it?

yeah I've told one has to lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead in life, and everyone does it, and I must being lying when I say I wouldn't do it.
whats congenital?

I don't either. I feel so out of touch with everyone I truly believe I belonged in the 20-40s. I just don't belong in this time. suppose one good thing is in the next few generations people like me will have been breed out of existence. all that be left is the normal non caring hurt other people, but they all do it so they all seem to be ok with it.

idk at least the slaves had worth. i don't like more support slavery, but still they were valued and worthy. where as nowadays said people are just worthless and wished to die by others. I suppose slavery for thousands of years(ie not just blacks) keep worthless people alive wher otherwise the empires could have just killed them off.



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14 May 2015, 2:00 pm

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Hi Sly

When I read your posts and you mention that 27 is old, too old for any prospects in life, it honestly freaks me out, because I'm 32, and essentially back at the starting line in life. I had a lot, but now its gone, and the things that I value are very different to when I was 27, I suppose loss makes you distinguish needs from desires.

Since the break up with my husband, different people have offered me advice and some of it has been quite practical. I went to a kinesthesiologist, (an unusual experience) one of the guided visualizations was to imagine myself taking a long journey over mountain terrain, highs and lows, sunshine and rain and to down to a pleasant valley at the end, where I gave myself advice from an older persons perspective.

Another guided visualization was moving towards old age in decades, pausing to note how different my life would be within those ten year milestones and giving my younger self that advice, concluding with imagining myself past retirement age, comfortable, sitting in a room by myself, but with familiar voices in the room next door.

Okay, I know these methods would not suit everyone, and I was quite skeptical, but it helped me to face the fear of being alone and miserable, and view those fears from a less anxious perspective.
When I read your words stating that 27 is too old, and I feel anxiety creep in, I visualize myself as that comfortable older person, and remember the advice I gave myself at the end of the mountain visualization.

Essentially that life changes, nothing is permanent (both the good and the bad), what seems crucial to me in my 30s, will not be as significant in my 40s and so forth, that I can make it through life by myself and I will experience joy and sadness along the way. I can make the most of opportunities and chance, but I can't really control any of it.


age is different for women. its not valued the same as with men. also you got to have a relationship and experience all that. so i't be easier for you to be ok being alone. knowing what you had . I don't even know what I'm missing and never will. I'll never be touched or held when I down. i'll never hear a woman say she loves me, when i go to work. I'll never get to be myself, which is to please a woman and make her happy.

sorry if I caused you anxiety, though I don't think you're be alone forever. women tend to always get a bf eventually. I've never seen one still single for more than a year. every girl I tried to date is in a relationship, one just had a baby.
yet I'm still alone.



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14 May 2015, 2:05 pm

^^^
let me tell you, from personal experience, that the inevitable break-ups feel 10 times worse than how good the good times together felt. factor that into your ruminations of solitude.



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let me tell you, from personal experience, that the inevitable break-ups feel 10 times worse than how good the good times together felt. factor that into your ruminations of solitude.


ruminations ? ^o.o>

know what hurts also break ups from non relationships. I've gotten all the hurt but non of the good times. I'd really like to have some good times at least once.