I've been offered the COVID vaccine

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Public health. Democracy. Capitalism.

This is what's necessary to keep people alive and well so they can work to make corporations profits & pay taxes to governments in our version of corporate democratic capitalism. Really simple stuff.

If they wanted to just tell you what to do for no good reason they'd do that thing. Instead they're telling ppl what to do for a good reason.

"Government scientist who has advocated for more Covid controls is a member of the Communist party

A scientist who advises the Government and has advocated for more coronavirus controls is a member of the Communist Party.
Professor Susan Michie, Director of the Centre for Behaviour Change at University College London, sits on a sub-group for the Government’s SAGE advisory body.
She is a frequent contributor on the BBC and ITV but is also a member of the Communist Party of Britain and has been for more than 40 years.
Earlier this month she co-authored an article which called for further restrictions on life in the UK and “maximum suppression” of the virus around the world.
Professor Michie’s views on suppressing coronavirus were recently described as “nonsense” by geneticist Professor Antony Brooks from Leicester University who has signed an open letter calling for an end to restrictions.
“If we continue with such stringent lockdown and suppression measures, the really nasty mutations of SARS-CoV-2 (which will always be out there - and likewise for all the other respiratory viruses) will be selected over the regular strains,” he said.
“Instead of keeping us safe, her plan could help these strains to emerge and spread into dominance.”
Luke Johnson, former chairman of Channel 4 said, according to the Mail on Sunday: “Susan Michie is a member of the Communist Party. They know all about controlling behaviour in places like Communist North Korea.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... communist/

Being a Communist has nothing to do with vaccines being efficacious against COVID.

That wasn't the point being made. The OP has moved the discussion on to the prospect of prolonged UK restrictions, which - as she suggested - does have something to do with communism in as much as an advisor to the government is a communist. Also, the left in general (which is much more closely aligned with communism here than in the United States, or at least ir was until last year) are cheering lockdowns on and do not want them to end. Most of them work in the public sector and feel their jobs are safe.

I'm just wound up because the government wants everyone to get vaccinated yet there is so much scaremongering about the vaccines being linked to deaths in the media.

They can't vaccinate everybody all at once and there are still plenty of people who want the jab but haven't had their invitation yet. So I'm more than happy to be courteous, join the very back of the queue and let everybody else have their go first. By the time they get towards the end, hopefully it will no longer be necessary.

If the vaccines are unsafe, the government, big pharma and the NHS are not going to admit to that overnight, there would be a period of denial and deflection, so I'm hoping I can hold out over this coming winter and see where we're at with the whole situation come next Spring.

That's what I wanted to do, but my boyfriend insists that I get the vaccine. It is a dilemma and it's causing distress. If I was vulnerable or elderly, I would get the vaccine, but because I'm most probably healthy enough to survive the virus I'd rather wait as long as I can to get the vaccine. The people already vaccinated (which is now the majority of adults) are protected so what difference will it make if I got the vaccine or not? If the risk of blood clots is higher in younger people then why don't they just save their money and only vaccinate everyone over a certain age and the vulnerable and young people who choose to have it?

You have higher risk of getting blood clots from Covid than from the vaccine.
The same for long-term effects.
Vaccinating possibly many people is to prevent new high waves of Covid cases. NHS may have strong success propaganda but here, cancer patients have been neglected so Covid patients could be treated. It's serious on the level of the society as a whole.

Would it be possible to pretend you've had the jab, just to to get your boyfriend off your case? I've advised my daughter to not engage in any conversation about it so as not to raise any suspicion that she doesn't want to have it done. When the time comes for children to be experimented upon, hopefully she'll just be able to claim she's had it and avoid being bullied, which is what this campaign is encouraging.

If you do you have it done then I think you're going to have to have the 2nd one as well. As far as I can make out, it would seem those who've had one jab and are awaiting the 2nd one are the most at risk of ending up in hospital if they catch the virus. Reports will telll you x number of people in hospital have been vaccinated and then another report will claim the opposite, but weighing everything up, I don't think you'd have much choice but to accept the 2nd vax, which my brother is now going to go through with despite having had a really bad reaction to the first. The consensus appears to be that the 2nd one tends to be worse, so I am very worried for him.

I've had the virus so I'm satisfied that I do not need the vaccine for my own good or anybody else, the only reason for me to have it now would be for the purpose of being able to buy food from a supermarket if they actually went that far in forcing people to submit to the tyranny, or god forbid just being allowed to go out of my front door.

As somebody else said, I'd feel a whole lot safer now if the virus itself gave a press conference advising me how to stay safe from the government and those who have bought into it hook, line and sinker.

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People after first jab are relatively likely to get into hospital because they're not fully protected but often behave like they were (a real problem in my country).

There's no way you're not "experimented upon". Choose: the vaccine or the disease. Both are new. The vaccine has been engineered with best knowledge available to make it safe. The disease has not.

I’ll be glad when you get the vaccine, Joe.

They're a scientific adviser, not a political one. They could also be Wiccan, yet the scope of their job doesn't include them advising that the UK government make a push towards promoting witchcraft. etc.

More people a year die of smoking than there have been deaths of COVID so far. Non-smokers can be affected too, especially if they live with smokers. Many smokers that have quit are left with long-term lung damage. Nobody bans the selling of cigarettes because it's considered a "choice" and "human rights".
Less people than that have died from COVID, and people should be given the choice whether or not to have the vaccine, because of "human rights", and all the people who have had both vaccinations (which is now more people than not) are protected, so the people who chose not to be vaccinated is their own choice.

Just let that sink in.

Covid deaths were minimized by the whole world shutting down, social distancing etc. Many times more people would have died from Covid if we all behaved like trump supporters.

Herd immunity via vaccination can't be achieved unless the vast majority of people get vaccinated. This is why other preventable diseases circulate and make people sick or kill people - anti-vaxx nonsense.

I agree about smoking, by the way.

This doesn’t mean getting the vaccine wouldn’t be an excellent public health measure.

I got the vaccine. I am an older man. I have asymptomatic prostate cancer. I had very little side effects from the vaccine. I don’t know anybody who got even had symptoms enough to take off work.

Some people think that this virus was invented for the purpose of having the vaccines, like it's a preplanned germ warfare mixed with communism. It may sound ret*d, but then I remember that this virus came from China, a communist country. There's so much corruption in this world, it's hard to believe that anything is innocent any more. If the UK government was really keen on "saving lives" then they would have closed the borders the minute they first heard of the varient in India. But they didn't. So what does that tell you?

It's all a big conspiracy. This is why I'm reluctant to have the vaccine. It's already been proven that one of the vaccines causes blood clots in younger people, which is why they're giving younger people alternate vaccines. So who knows what could crop up next? What if come the end of the year when everyone's been vaccinated there are suddenly reports of people getting unknown long-term diseases from the vaccines? The vaccines were rushed and it still hasn't been long enough to actually prove that the vaccines are safe enough yet.

I've always been reluctant of having foreign objects or drugs inserted into me. It took me a about 4 years to pluck up the courage to go on Sertraline, but then I thought that if I did suffer unpleasant reactions to the meds I could stop taking them. With a vaccine you can't do that. I also have never had a tattoo or any piercings.