28 Apr 2023, 2:28 pm
How come whenever you google your symptoms / traits Dr Google never suggests you are a hypochondriac , enquiring minds what to know 
Hypochondria is the only disease I don't have.
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28 Apr 2023, 2:41 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Recidivist wrote:
^ I related a lot to narcissism, so thought I was for a while before my ASD diagnosis. I don't deny that I have narcissistic traits and I'm Ok with that as it can help with self esteem issues (sometimes)
At one time I thought I was a psychopath.
Apparently, many on the spectrum have wondered that about themselves at one point due to often having poor empathy skills.
And, no, if you have a conscience, you aren't a psychopath.
People on the spectrum don't have poor empathy skills.
I know I don't.
I have too much empathy.
I just can't express it verbally.
Personally I've seen autistics at both ends of the empathy spectrum, from extremely empathetic people to people who literally only ever talk about other people as interests, means to an end, lifetime achievements, etc.
(For an example) Think about all the guys with ASD who talk about wanting a partner like they're cool collectible to show their friends and prove they can do it, without any real consideration of why that person might want to be with them - I'd say they're demonstrating an extreme lack of empathy.
Yeah, I tend to think that autistic individuals have the same amount of empathy - including highs and lows - as other people. They might just have more trouble expressing it.
I’ve certainly seen a lack of empathy in L&D, especially.
28 Apr 2023, 2:43 pm
Recidivist wrote:
How come whenever you google your symptoms / traits Dr Google never suggests you are a hypochondriac , enquiring minds what to know
Hypochondria is the only disease I don't have.
Hypochondria is the only disease I don't have.
I'm pretty sure there must be a condition for hypochondriacs who are too hypochondriac to even look up hypochondria, even though they have every other condition known to man?
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28 Apr 2023, 3:12 pm
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28 Apr 2023, 7:43 pm
rse92 wrote:
15/50.
I don't think much of that test. I think it's too easy to game (guess the answer) so to result in an outcome in which you are not a narcissist.
I don't think much of that test. I think it's too easy to game (guess the answer) so to result in an outcome in which you are not a narcissist.
Agreed.
It is easy to see where you SHOULD tick to get a favourable result.
However...
Some ppl do want an honest appraisal and do the test to reflect their actual position.
Ppl can always lie about it later.
rse92 wrote:
I think it is much harder to game ASD tests, one way or another, to come up with a Yes I have ASD or No I Dont have ASD result. I think that is because if you are not autistic the autistic reply often is not immediately obvious, counter intuitive to an neurotypical person. If you are autistic, your lack of the theory of mind is such that the neurotypical responses simply don't ring true to you.
That test, I think if you really thought about your answers, you could score a zero.
That test, I think if you really thought about your answers, you could score a zero.
Good points.
28 Apr 2023, 8:49 pm
Joe90 wrote:
It seems that sociopathy is described as a less toxic form of psychopathy, and narcissism is described as a less toxic form of sociopathy. But I don't know.
"Psychopaths are born, and sociopaths are made."
It is believed that ppl with anti-social-personality disorder are genetically prone towards becoming a "psychopath".
It doesn't have to happen.
It is believed that sociopathy is the result of traumatic experiences in a young person's life.
Both lack empathy
Both lack a FUNCTIONING conscience.
I.E.:
Psychopathic individuals do not show regret or remorse.
Sociopaths have a weak conscience.
Narcissists:
Quote:
Revisiting the Vulnerable Versus Grandiose Dimension of Narcissism
Vulnerable narcissists are more benign than the grandiose types. These more “neurotic” narcissists have some degree of conscience. They’re also largely inwardly needy and insecure. They seek the attention and admiration of others to fill an emotional hole within them. And what makes them relatively benign is they don’t set out to purely and heartlessly exploit. What they mostly want from you is to meet their need. And they’re equally willing to fill any emotional holes you may have. It’s a contract of sorts: “I’ll appear to value you if you’ll value me.” Still, the contract is based in narcissistic need. So, often, what they appear to value in you is really some aspect of you that resembles them. At it’s core, all narcissism is pathological self-love.
See also: Toxic Self-Love
Grandiose narcissists are more malevolent. They can even be malignant. They lack conscience. So, when they use and exploit you they’re not unconsciously filling an emotional void. Instead, they’re heartlessly relishing in their conquest and domination of you. There are “amorous” narcissists of the character-disturbed type. Such folks are often serial sexual predators and exploiters. To a grandiose amorous narcissist, you’re merely a trophy – living proof of their greatness and power.
Vulnerable narcissists are more benign than the grandiose types. These more “neurotic” narcissists have some degree of conscience. They’re also largely inwardly needy and insecure. They seek the attention and admiration of others to fill an emotional hole within them. And what makes them relatively benign is they don’t set out to purely and heartlessly exploit. What they mostly want from you is to meet their need. And they’re equally willing to fill any emotional holes you may have. It’s a contract of sorts: “I’ll appear to value you if you’ll value me.” Still, the contract is based in narcissistic need. So, often, what they appear to value in you is really some aspect of you that resembles them. At it’s core, all narcissism is pathological self-love.
See also: Toxic Self-Love
Grandiose narcissists are more malevolent. They can even be malignant. They lack conscience. So, when they use and exploit you they’re not unconsciously filling an emotional void. Instead, they’re heartlessly relishing in their conquest and domination of you. There are “amorous” narcissists of the character-disturbed type. Such folks are often serial sexual predators and exploiters. To a grandiose amorous narcissist, you’re merely a trophy – living proof of their greatness and power.
https://www.drgeorgesimon.com/the-amoro ... arcissist/
Quote:
A substantial body of research has documented that grandiose narcissists are characterized by high self-esteem, a sense of personal superiority and entitlement, overconfidence, a willingness to exploit others for self-gain, and hostility and aggression when challenged. We report two studies (N = 452) that explore how these dispositions affect their decision making. We show that grandiose narcissists' overconfidence, impulsivity, and a willingness to ignore expert advice results in a higher likelihood of making a bad decision. In addition, after getting the wrong answer, grandiose narcissists are more likely to blame others and remain self-confident in their judgment.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7427600/
^Does this remind ppl of anyone?
28 Apr 2023, 8:56 pm
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28 Apr 2023, 9:25 pm
Recidivist wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
It seems that sociopathy is described as a less toxic form of psychopathy, and narcissism is described as a less toxic form of sociopathy. But I don't know.
I heard that RSD (common in those with ADHD) is a personality disorder, which I'm not sure whether it's true for me or not. I definitely have RSD but not sure about the other symptoms of personality disorder.
I heard that RSD (common in those with ADHD) is a personality disorder, which I'm not sure whether it's true for me or not. I definitely have RSD but not sure about the other symptoms of personality disorder.
That's the way I have always seen it narc>soc>psych but I'm sure there are examples of worse narcissists than
sociopaths.
"Grandiose Narcissists."
I don't see much difference between that and a psychopath in terms of malignancy.
Perhaps the EMOTIONAL and the divorce from REALITY aspects are the difference?
I intend to investigate.
28 Apr 2023, 9:32 pm
29 Apr 2023, 7:11 am
I've just tried the test again , with brain fog, little sleep , no meds but it is the afternoon.
Covert narcissist score = 9 / 50 so if I average the two scores around 16/50 - big fail 
29 Apr 2023, 8:13 am
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So, often, what they appear to value in you is really some aspect of you that resembles them. At it’s core, all narcissism is pathological self-love.
Lmao, my dad literally calls me the 2.0 version of himself, and says I exist as a gift to him to improve himself and teach himself the lessons of the universe.
(I'm sorry I'm not contributing much to the discussion btw, very selfish (dare I say - narcissistic) of me
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29 Apr 2023, 8:29 am
racheypie666 wrote:
(I'm sorry I'm not contributing much to the discussion btw, very selfish (dare I say - narcissistic) of me )
)Well, if that's your definition of being narcissistic, I'm f****d and should be carted off by the men in the white coats
