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14 May 2015, 2:56 pm

what I was trying to convey to you, was that the "good" times more often than not [except for a lucky few] are far overshadowed by the bad times. there is a reason that in America at least, there is a 60% first divorce rate, and a 90+% rate for subsequent marriages. as kate Hepburn said, "maybe men and women are not so well suited for each other, maybe they should just live apart and drop in now and then." and to ruminate is to sit and think deeply about something.



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14 May 2015, 6:03 pm

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age is different for women. its not valued the same as with men. also you got to have a relationship and experience all that. so i't be easier for you to be ok being alone. knowing what you had .

I know what you mean, but I honestly wonder about the accuracy of the the phrase Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. From the perspective of experience, it would have been better to have never met him.
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I don't even know what I'm missing and never will. I'll never be touched or held when I down. i'll never hear a woman say she loves me, when i go to work. I'll never get to be myself, which is to please a woman and make her happy.
You cant know that Sly, you might feel it intensely, but you can not know that for certain. Life changes, all sorts of unexpected positive and negative things can happen.

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sorry if I caused you anxiety, though I don't think you're be alone forever. women tend to always get a bf eventually. I've never seen one still single for more than a year. every girl I tried to date is in a relationship, one just had a baby. yet I'm still alone.
You didn't cause me anxiety :), I'm anxious anyways, it doesn't take a lot to trigger it, but thats my piece to work on. I feel similar to how you feel. Even if I am alone forever, I can not control that, I certainly wont seek a relationship to avoid being alone though, the wrong relationship can change a person in negative ways, and nothing, not even the blissful moments you seek with another is worth that price.
I know you feel down about all of this, and if I could use words to make you feel more content I would, I like your posts, and I would miss reading them if you stopped posting for some reason.



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14 May 2015, 7:11 pm

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tell me how horrible I am , but then get upset that I want to kill myself. makes no sense. :(
I get that I'm trash and worthless so just let me die.


Because few people actually hate people enough that they would want them to kill themselves. Few people are so callous. Plus, I highly doubt that you are "trash" and "worthless". You're just labelling yourself and making assumptions about other people's feelings. What you say is not an objective fact. It's a feeling. So is wanting to kill yourself. So please don't end your life based on a feeling.



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15 May 2015, 3:45 am

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age is different for women. its not valued the same as with men. also you got to have a relationship and experience all that. so i't be easier for you to be ok being alone. knowing what you had .

I know what you mean, but I honestly wonder about the accuracy of the the phrase Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. From the perspective of experience, it would have been better to have never met him.
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I don't even know what I'm missing and never will. I'll never be touched or held when I down. i'll never hear a woman say she loves me, when i go to work. I'll never get to be myself, which is to please a woman and make her happy.
You cant know that Sly, you might feel it intensely, but you can not know that for certain. Life changes, all sorts of unexpected positive and negative things can happen.

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sorry if I caused you anxiety, though I don't think you're be alone forever. women tend to always get a bf eventually. I've never seen one still single for more than a year. every girl I tried to date is in a relationship, one just had a baby. yet I'm still alone.
You didn't cause me anxiety :), I'm anxious anyways, it doesn't take a lot to trigger it, but thats my piece to work on. I feel similar to how you feel. Even if I am alone forever, I can not control that, I certainly wont seek a relationship to avoid being alone though, the wrong relationship can change a person in negative ways, and nothing, not even the blissful moments you seek with another is worth that price.
I know you feel down about all of this, and if I could use words to make you feel more content I would, I like your posts, and I would miss reading them if you stopped posting for some reason.


idk I don't regret the times I came close. in fact I strongly miss them even if it hurt me how it ended. and all the lying she did. I still miss it and them and would gladly go back them again if I could.

been pretty much the same for 12 years or more now, nothing has changed for the good, but it has got worse and worse. nothing positive ever happens to me. most people have ups and downs while I just get constant downs.
no but I can know with a 99.9999% certainly. and I just not sure the other .00001% is worth holding out for. better chances getting hit by lightning then a girl liking and dating me. they won't even talk to me. they see me as so worthless I'm not even worthy typing or speaking to. its a horrible feeling.

thats good. though to be honest I think right now you're in the post break up I hate relationships and never want one ever again phase. people go through this but eventually it'll stop and your pick yourself up and try again. :)

you'd miss reading them?



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15 May 2015, 3:50 am

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tell me how horrible I am , but then get upset that I want to kill myself. makes no sense. :(
I get that I'm trash and worthless so just let me die.


Because few people actually hate people enough that they would want them to kill themselves. Few people are so callous. Plus, I highly doubt that you are "trash" and "worthless". You're just labelling yourself and making assumptions about other people's feelings. What you say is not an objective fact. It's a feeling. So is wanting to kill yourself. So please don't end your life based on a feeling.


I don't know people like me are just a burden tot them. some will outright come out and say they want us dead. we are drains on the system, stealing from them and need to die, it's natures way they say.

well if i'm not valuable then I'm trash its an either or. so I'f I'm not a real man then I'm worthless trash that's just making it harder for them to find a real man. so why not do it. I'm really lost at what to do. nothing will help. I'll never be good enough. so whats the point in fighting the unavoidable. delaying the what will come and can't be stopped.

I'm trying not to hate them but yet I hate everything they say and think. to treat other people as objects to value them soely on money they have, is so inhuman. ugh. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:



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15 May 2015, 3:54 am

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I hadn't thought of that. though I do check the toilet for spiders every time. interesting, and I'm not young anymore. 27 now. almost 30. young is those 15-25 year olds. idk I think i just irritate people here. thanks, although I meant my negatives in like not having a decent middle class job, or a good car and my own place, not being real man. etc. I wish everyone could agree and get along, but I know that is impossible. idk I've seen videos of them in toilets. idk if they crawl in from outside though, but I check every time to be safe.

27 is still YOUNG. 40 years until retirement via social security. you have a LOT of time left. you are in the springtime of your years yet. I didn't manage to get a lower-middle-class job until my 30s. I didn't manage to get my own place until my parents passed [late 40s] and I inherited a bit. still single in my 5th decade with no sign of any change. I wish I was your age again, I'd do it again better this time. my point is I don't want you to make my mistakes, I want you to get a clue unlike me who still doesn't have a clue.


by that time table I wont' get if ever a middle class job til I'm 40-50. 27 is almost 30 its done deal, women in their 30s want middle class guys to have family with, they don't' want pretty much virgin, poor guys ugly guys. really i don't know if I want to live past 30 i think 35 was putting it too far. I want to live but why live if nothing to live for.
you're a far stronger person then me. I can't imagine putting up with this s**t of life more than the 8 years if that.

I'm not even excited for the possibility of getting a job anymore. sure hope that won't hurt my interviews. but its doesn't matter or make a difference If I get a job or not I'm still worthless. talk about killing any ambition I had. requirement is set so high I'll never reach it. like a you must be high sign to small people.


I stumbled on your bearded photo last week and I see nothing ugly there :scratch:

And I think anyone with scruple and modesty and kindness will feel a bit "worthless" in this world where usually only greed, vanity and social climbing matters.

But you're not worthless to us, other "worthless" people, we care and wish you the best in finding someone congenital.

and i really don't get those who prescribe "worth" to people as measured by income or social status, as if there's a price tag to be put on people as a measure of their worth, it reminds me of the slave markets, when the owner would put price tags on the slaves and they'd be sold according to them.


I shave now, though it makes the acne more visible. :roll: how did you stumble on it?

yeah I've told one has to lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead in life, and everyone does it, and I must being lying when I say I wouldn't do it.
whats congenital?

I don't either. I feel so out of touch with everyone I truly believe I belonged in the 20-40s. I just don't belong in this time. suppose one good thing is in the next few generations people like me will have been breed out of existence. all that be left is the normal non caring hurt other people, but they all do it so they all seem to be ok with it.

idk at least the slaves had worth. i don't like more support slavery, but still they were valued and worthy. where as nowadays said people are just worthless and wished to die by others. I suppose slavery for thousands of years(ie not just blacks) keep worthless people alive wher otherwise the empires could have just killed them off.


I was re-reading that thread which DoubleCatrin opened and I then I stumbled on your photo :)...acne? well I think most of the people have them or some other imperfections.

As far as being told what to do, I think we don't have abide by the general consensus and engage in lying, cheating, stealing just to be accepted or fit in, and maybe I'm too stubborn but I honestly couldn't care less what others think of me or my ways. It's their problem, and so it's with those who dare to speak like that to you. Their opinion doesn't matter since why should you care what they think of you, if they don't do the same? And what do they have on their side besides share number? it means nothing!

I feel out of time as well, but I definitely hope people like you won't become extinct...in fact this world needs more nice people like yourself to outnumber the flood sociopathic alphas of both genders.

congenital in its broader sense means someone you could relate to. :)



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15 May 2015, 3:58 am

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tell me how horrible I am , but then get upset that I want to kill myself. makes no sense. :(
I get that I'm trash and worthless so just let me die.


Because few people actually hate people enough that they would want them to kill themselves. Few people are so callous. Plus, I highly doubt that you are "trash" and "worthless". You're just labelling yourself and making assumptions about other people's feelings. What you say is not an objective fact. It's a feeling. So is wanting to kill yourself. So please don't end your life based on a feeling.


I don't know people like me are just a burden tot them. some will outright come out and say they want us dead. we are drains on the system, stealing from them and need to die, it's natures way they say.

well if i'm not valuable then I'm trash its an either or. so I'f I'm not a real man then I'm worthless trash that's just making it harder for them to find a real man. so why not do it. I'm really lost at what to do. nothing will help. I'll never be good enough. so whats the point in fighting the unavoidable. delaying the what will come and can't be stopped.

I'm trying not to hate them but yet I hate everything they say and think. to treat other people as objects to value them soely on money they have, is so inhuman. ugh. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:


you are just as available as they are! you have a degree, you do your job when seasons permit, they are worthless trash since they can make suicidal someone as nice and kind as you are :(

there are other people, like on this forum who like you for who you are, maybe focus on them perhaps?

Please don't hurt yourself :(



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15 May 2015, 4:51 am

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age is different for women. its not valued the same as with men. also you got to have a relationship and experience all that. so i't be easier for you to be ok being alone. knowing what you had .

I know what you mean, but I honestly wonder about the accuracy of the the phrase Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. From the perspective of experience, it would have been better to have never met him.
sly279 wrote:
I don't even know what I'm missing and never will. I'll never be touched or held when I down. i'll never hear a woman say she loves me, when i go to work. I'll never get to be myself, which is to please a woman and make her happy.
You cant know that Sly, you might feel it intensely, but you can not know that for certain. Life changes, all sorts of unexpected positive and negative things can happen.

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sorry if I caused you anxiety, though I don't think you're be alone forever. women tend to always get a bf eventually. I've never seen one still single for more than a year. every girl I tried to date is in a relationship, one just had a baby. yet I'm still alone.
You didn't cause me anxiety :), I'm anxious anyways, it doesn't take a lot to trigger it, but thats my piece to work on. I feel similar to how you feel. Even if I am alone forever, I can not control that, I certainly wont seek a relationship to avoid being alone though, the wrong relationship can change a person in negative ways, and nothing, not even the blissful moments you seek with another is worth that price.
I know you feel down about all of this, and if I could use words to make you feel more content I would, I like your posts, and I would miss reading them if you stopped posting for some reason.

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idk I don't regret the times I came close. in fact I strongly miss them even if it hurt me how it ended. and all the lying she did. I still miss it and them and would gladly go back them again if I could.

Please don't ever go backwards, it ended for a reason and you felt pain because what happened was wrong; be respectful of that hurt and your worth as an honest person and don't harm yourself again by going back to a harmful situation.
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been pretty much the same for 12 years or more now, nothing has changed for the good, but it has got worse and worse. nothing positive ever happens to me. most people have ups and downs while I just get constant downs.
no but I can know with a 99.9999% certainly. and I just not sure the other .00001% is worth holding out for. better chances getting hit by lightning then a girl liking and dating me. they won't even talk to me. they see me as so worthless I'm not even worthy typing or speaking to. its a horrible feeling.

I have a few views on this outlook, I dont want to rehash the list of negatives that has happened to me, some things can not be undone, I had those experiences, each of them left an invisible scar, a sensitivity, a weak spot which remains many years later.
I realised that my modest hopes and dreams were not realistic, and that striving for them, ignoring my reality was harming my well being. This was a deeply painful yet liberating moment for me, a rebirth of sorts.
I started to notice the positives in my life and worked on truly appreciating them, small concrete things like how the sun felt on my face, the noise leaves on trees make when wind blows through them, being handed a cup of tea, having a plentiful supply of food etc. This was the start of me deciding what would actually make me happy, and its different for everyone, but looking at what I have, that many people do not, was a shift in perspective, away from what other people have, that I do not, and it honestly feels like the better way to approach life.

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thats good. though to be honest I think right now you're in the post break up I hate relationships and never want one ever again phase. people go through this but eventually it'll stop and your pick yourself up and try again. :)

I have decided that I do not want another relationship, not until I have learned from the mistakes of the past (otherwise I heading straight for another painful relationship experience), applied this information and made lasting alterations to my way of being, become self reliant again, and value my true self as I am: strengths and areas that will always need work. All of this will take time and energy, but I view it as an investment in myself as a person of value.
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you'd miss reading them?
Yes I would, your perspective can be unexpected and unusual, and you notice and value things that other posters would miss. I dont think Ive ever read a post of yours where you were horrid to someone, and I like people who are kind to others, especially when it would be more efficient and require less personal energy to just dismiss them with a nasty response. Also, you dont seem to sell out on your values, even if they might make you unpopular. I dunno, I think they are fairly cool qualities to have as a person.
I was not always able to communicate as I am now, but I read a lot of posts then, and words can have powerful impact on those who read but are unable to formulate a post/reply, for whatever reason.



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15 May 2015, 7:58 am

Listen, Sly----I'm thinkin' you should apply for a government job with the FEDS!! Where do you live----Washington, Oregon? You just go to usajobs.gov, and put in your state. They have jobs like food worker ($38,000+ per year / $518 a week, net), Cashier, and Store Worker (part-time, OR full-time), for which you don't have to have ANY experience! A job with the FEDS is a "respectable" job, IMO!

Now, a résumé for the FEDS is a little tricky----WAAAAY different than a regular one (different "rules")----BUT, if you have a regular one, I'd even write a NEW one FOR you, for the FEDS. I'm really good with synonyms (meaning, turning experience from one job, into experience that fits ANOTHER job), and such.






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15 May 2015, 6:18 pm

I was also a civil servant, and if I could do it YOU could do it also, Sly :thumleft:



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16 May 2015, 3:51 am

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I was re-reading that thread which DoubleCatrin opened and I then I stumbled on your photo :)...acne? well I think most of the people have them or some other imperfections.

As far as being told what to do, I think we don't have abide by the general consensus and engage in lying, cheating, stealing just to be accepted or fit in, and maybe I'm too stubborn but I honestly couldn't care less what others think of me or my ways. It's their problem, and so it's with those who dare to speak like that to you. Their opinion doesn't matter since why should you care what they think of you, if they don't do the same? And what do they have on their side besides share number? it means nothing!

I feel out of time as well, but I definitely hope people like you won't become extinct...in fact this world needs more nice people like yourself to outnumber the flood sociopathic alphas of both genders.

congenital in its broader sense means someone you could relate to. :)


not sure I like that you changed your avatar, now I'll have to relearn it.

oh. well I don't have a beard anymore since I got into wet shaving.
mine keep popping up if I get a job I'll have to try the other acne treatments.

I can't lie cheat and steal anyways. though life might be easier if I could.
share number?
because I'd like to date one of them, :(

don't think there is any possible way to outnumber them they'll the majority. I've been told I need to change if I am to survive in the world of self centered jerks. no room for nice people.

oh hmm

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you are just as available as they are! you have a degree, you do your job when seasons permit, they are worthless trash since they can make suicidal someone as nice and kind as you are :(

there are other people, like on this forum who like you for who you are, maybe focus on them perhaps?

Please don't hurt yourself :(


not really, its based off success and wealth. I have neither. but if everyone was valuable then no one would be, you have to have worthless people to make the others look better.

idk that there is many. seem to just upset people or get attacked.

I probably won't til I'm 30-35. I don't want to die, I just feel horrible. I don't know of any other solution to fixe or end it. since the emotion drug is way off if ever to be made, and probably couldn't' afford it anyways.



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16 May 2015, 4:01 am

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idk I don't regret the times I came close. in fact I strongly miss them even if it hurt me how it ended. and all the lying she did. I still miss it and them and would gladly go back them again if I could.

Please don't ever go backwards, it ended for a reason and you felt pain because what happened was wrong; be respectful of that hurt and your worth as an honest person and don't harm yourself again by going back to a harmful situation.
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been pretty much the same for 12 years or more now, nothing has changed for the good, but it has got worse and worse. nothing positive ever happens to me. most people have ups and downs while I just get constant downs.
no but I can know with a 99.9999% certainly. and I just not sure the other .00001% is worth holding out for. better chances getting hit by lightning then a girl liking and dating me. they won't even talk to me. they see me as so worthless I'm not even worthy typing or speaking to. its a horrible feeling.

I have a few views on this outlook, I dont want to rehash the list of negatives that has happened to me, some things can not be undone, I had those experiences, each of them left an invisible scar, a sensitivity, a weak spot which remains many years later.
I realised that my modest hopes and dreams were not realistic, and that striving for them, ignoring my reality was harming my well being. This was a deeply painful yet liberating moment for me, a rebirth of sorts.
I started to notice the positives in my life and worked on truly appreciating them, small concrete things like how the sun felt on my face, the noise leaves on trees make when wind blows through them, being handed a cup of tea, having a plentiful supply of food etc. This was the start of me deciding what would actually make me happy, and its different for everyone, but looking at what I have, that many people do not, was a shift in perspective, away from what other people have, that I do not, and it honestly feels like the better way to approach life.

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thats good. though to be honest I think right now you're in the post break up I hate relationships and never want one ever again phase. people go through this but eventually it'll stop and your pick yourself up and try again. :)

I have decided that I do not want another relationship, not until I have learned from the mistakes of the past (otherwise I heading straight for another painful relationship experience), applied this information and made lasting alterations to my way of being, become self reliant again, and value my true self as I am: strengths and areas that will always need work. All of this will take time and energy, but I view it as an investment in myself as a person of value.
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you'd miss reading them?
Yes I would, your perspective can be unexpected and unusual, and you notice and value things that other posters would miss. I dont think Ive ever read a post of yours where you were horrid to someone, and I like people who are kind to others, especially when it would be more efficient and require less personal energy to just dismiss them with a nasty response. Also, you dont seem to sell out on your values, even if they might make you unpopular. I dunno, I think they are fairly cool qualities to have as a person.
I was not always able to communicate as I am now, but I read a lot of posts then, and words can have powerful impact on those who read but are unable to formulate a post/reply, for whatever reason.


well there's no option to go back anyways. it ended for the same reason women won't date me. I don't have a well paying job.

sorry to hear that, but glad you found happiness in yourself.

question if areas always need work then won't you never be ready? ^o.o>
I did use to value myself but that was living in a fake world.

I try to be kind and respectful to everyone. I want to make people happy not sad. I don't know sometimes I wonder if life would be better if I didn't have those values.

why weren't you able to communicate ?
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not sure I like that you changed your avatar, now I'll have to relearn it.

oh. well I don't have a beard anymore since I got into wet shaving.
mine keep popping up if I get a job I'll have to try the other acne treatments.

I can't lie cheat and steal anyways. though life might be easier if I could.
share number?
because I'd like to date one of them, :(

don't think there is any possible way to outnumber them they'll the majority. I've been told I need to change if I am to survive in the world of self centered jerks. no room for nice people.


Ok my old avatar is back, don't want to confuse people :)

Please don't change....there are enough of as*holes in this world, we don't need one more :(

I'm sorry to see you suffer because of it though.

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not really, its based off success and wealth. I have neither. but if everyone was valuable then no one would be, you have to have worthless people to make the others look better.

idk that there is many. seem to just upset people or get attacked.

I probably won't til I'm 30-35. I don't want to die, I just feel horrible. I don't know of any other solution to fixe or end it. since the emotion drug is way off if ever to be made, and probably couldn't' afford it anyways.


Yeah I'm sorry about that, it's probably easier to get some medicine here in Europe. I hope that with time and support you'll be able to feel better about yourself....time heals, at least some of us. I honestly couldn't care less now what others think of me, but I remember how horrible it used to be before, when every criticism was like stabbing with the knife.



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well there's no option to go back anyways. it ended for the same reason women won't date me. I don't have a well paying job.

sorry to hear that, but glad you found happiness in yourself.

question if areas always need work then won't you never be ready? ^o.o>
I did use to value myself but that was living in a fake world.

I try to be kind and respectful to everyone. I want to make people happy not sad. I don't know sometimes I wonder if life would be better if I didn't have those values.

why weren't you able to communicate ?
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There is a possibility that i wont ever be ready, but I prefer that chance/risk to the probability of never having a long term relationship that doesn't end with my health in tatters.

You wouldn't be you if you didn't have those values :wink:, and if you live a life out of sync with those values, you would loose your integrity. If you like those things about yourself HOLD ONTO THEM, develop them, make practical adjustments to your criteria for sharing these attributes with others, they are a rarity, and as such can be valuable if you place a value on them 8). Still the same kind loving person, but with some protective boundaries for this fake world.

The doctors told me that my communication issues were related to the depression I was experiencing. Basically, I had all these thoughts, but could not put them into words (written or verbal), I could still script, but not actually communicate, it has taken me almost a year to be able to write like this, for a long time just communicating a sentence was exhausting.

(((Hugs))) to you too Sly, be true to yourself.



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16 May 2015, 4:34 am

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Listen, Sly----I'm thinkin' you should apply for a government job with the FEDS!! Where do you live----Washington, Oregon? You just go to usajobs.gov, and put in your state. They have jobs like food worker ($38,000+ per year / $518 a week, net), Cashier, and Store Worker (part-time, OR full-time), for which you don't have to have ANY experience! A job with the FEDS is a "respectable" job, IMO!

Now, a résumé for the FEDS is a little tricky----WAAAAY different than a regular one (different "rules")----BUT, if you have a regular one, I'd even write a NEW one FOR you, for the FEDS. I'm really good with synonyms (meaning, turning experience from one job, into experience that fits ANOTHER job), and such.


oregon.
seems they are all management, doctors, or specialist jobs here.

what's food worker? also where do the feds have cashiers and stores? ^o.o>



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16 May 2015, 4:41 am

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sly279 wrote:

not sure I like that you changed your avatar, now I'll have to relearn it.

oh. well I don't have a beard anymore since I got into wet shaving.
mine keep popping up if I get a job I'll have to try the other acne treatments.

I can't lie cheat and steal anyways. though life might be easier if I could.
share number?
because I'd like to date one of them, :(

don't think there is any possible way to outnumber them they'll the majority. I've been told I need to change if I am to survive in the world of self centered jerks. no room for nice people.


Ok my old avatar is back, don't want to confuse people :)

Please don't change....there are enough of as*holes in this world, we don't need one more :(

I'm sorry to see you suffer because of it though.

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not really, its based off success and wealth. I have neither. but if everyone was valuable then no one would be, you have to have worthless people to make the others look better.

idk that there is many. seem to just upset people or get attacked.

I probably won't til I'm 30-35. I don't want to die, I just feel horrible. I don't know of any other solution to fixe or end it. since the emotion drug is way off if ever to be made, and probably couldn't' afford it anyways.


Yeah I'm sorry about that, it's probably easier to get some medicine here in Europe. I hope that with time and support you'll be able to feel better about yourself....time heals, at least some of us. I honestly couldn't care less now what others think of me, but I remember how horrible it used to be before, when every criticism was like stabbing with the knife.


oh but did you like the other one better? :S I would have learned to associate it with you.
just get so use to seeing stuff as it was I suppose. hope i didn't cause you to be less happy with your avatar. :(

I don't know if I can. I've wanted to try though but I can't bring myself to be mean to others or demean women.

well the medicine doesn't' exist yet sadly though it maybe for the best. yeah but you have your husband right? so you dont' have to care what anyone but him thinks. must be nice.