This issue still perplexes me. Seriously. Can we discuss it?

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As t's been explained to you countless times, no, personal anecdotes are in no way compelling evidence. As for your other attempts at offering proof, most of what I've seen you post consists of New Age junk science, people making claims but who have no medical degree or education, or more anecdotes. And, no, it makes absolutely no sense that, just because you have a problem, you should just run out and try whatever any random stranger on the internet suggests you do.

Furthermore, in another thread in L&D, you basically accused people who suffer from depression or anxiety as "not trying hard enough," and those of us who use medications to treat our symptoms as being "lazy." I take medication because it works for me, and it was prescribed by a trained professional whose job it is to know these things, not because I'm "lazy." And depression and anxiety are not moral failings. Fit, healthy people can suffer from depression and anxiety too.

At this point, it comes across as you not wanting to help people, but just wanting to be "right." Getting in people's faces and beating them over the head with your diet is not going to convince others to listen to you. As others have suggested you seriously need to work on your presentation and approach. Try compassion over finger-wagging and lectures, and you might actually get somewhere.

^ This.

A few years ago, I read about a little boy who was diagnosed with autism. He was low-functioning, non-verbal, the whole nine yards. Upon further investigation, it was discovered that he was actually having micro-seizures in his brain that were disrupting his neural pathways. When he was put on anti-seizure medication, he improved by leaps and bounds. If Goldfish had had his way, the parents would be feeding this kid "medicinal food" and injecting liquid into his anus to no avail.

A big problem with all of this is that no one is really sure what "autism" actually is. Personally, I believe what is currently grouped under the umbrella of "autism" are actually a variety of different yet similar conditions. Gut bacteria may indeed be the cause of some cases of "autism," but I highly doubt it's the definitive cause of ALL autism.

This explains a lot of peoples "give up and don't bother trying attitude," towards their health. Again, like a broken record I know, that's bizarre to me.

I have never ever once said that it HAS to work for you/others. I've suggested people try it and find out for themselves if it does work.

It doesn't make logical sense to me that I'm the ONLY human on the planet who's ASD symptoms are caused by this & can be treated by these methods, so yeah, it does make sense that it ought to work for others. Everyone? I don't know. You? I have no idea. My point always has been that it seems so strange that those suffering from the same symptoms aren't willing to try to alleviate them.

As I've explained many times all I have is my story. I was never conducting nor part of a scientific study. I was saving my own life & I shared how with the group. Weird that those suffering the same symptoms would ignore the possibility that they could alleviate their own symptoms, but like I said, whatever - regardless, I'm going to live my life and y'all can live yours as you see fit. Again, the thread wasn't my first post here as a "random stranger," I had all the same problems as the rest of the group and then figured out how to treat them. It doesn't change MY ability to live my life one bit if others opt to stay miserable, it just seems odd that they'd choose to do so is all.

I didn't use those exact words, but in general, yes. People are lazy. They're not willing to do the hard work it takes to accomplish things be it get healthier, get fitter, get wealthier etc. For their health, people want some magic pill they can swallow once a day that'll cure them of all that ails them instead of having to cook & eat a strict diet. Simple facts of the matter. For the record, as previously stated, I too once took those pills when it was my best option, and now that I know better, I don't take any because I don't need them. I'm healthier for doing some hard work & applying knowledge, instead. Besides calling me a liar (whatever), there's also been the general response here that "Wellllll, cooking and stuff.. that's a lot of work.. isn't there just a pill I could take? That would be easy!" Here's the thing: Nothing worth doing is easy. Everything in life worth working on or achieving takes time & effort. IMO one's own health is THE most important thing and thus worth the time and effort - even when I would come in from work or an evening run, exhausted, I'd still get to chopping veggies and boiling up soup stock. Because I was, and am, willing to do what I Need to to get what I Want. Some pharmaceutical drugs are AMAZING & do wonderful things for peoples' health, others enable people to be lazy. Further yet, there seem to be lazy people who aren't interested in anything but a quick fix instant gratification pill for whatever ails them, ASD or otherwise. Granted, some may seem lazy but it's actually their brain functions hindering them from doing work - that's definitely a thing. Even my Great Grandmother had a saying "There are no lazy people. There's something wrong with them." Maybe much of what I perceive as laziness is in fact peoples' own ADHD/ASD symptoms messing with their abilities to do things. Either way, though, there are many who don't want to put much effort into their health & prefer the insta-grat of a convenient pill. That's just a fact.

My approach doesn't change anything about my recommendation. The information is all there. I've shared how it's improved my life. Others have read it and decided they're not interested in improving their lives via diet & medicine - even the ones who make threads stating they "wish there was a cure," etc. That's the perplexing part. Again, though, others choosing to carry on doing as they've always done and getting as they've always got isn't going to alter my own personal life nor trajectory. It'll probably just remain bizarre for me to read about.

You say "medicinal food," as if foods don't have medicinal properties. That's odd to me, too.

IF I were a doctor (I am not) AND I thought that intestinal dysbiosis was the cause of said kid's ASD, I'd order lab tests on stool samples to find out what the gut microbiome mix was, compare it to normal strain counts etc, and proceed from there w/ information, not guesses. Further, any doctor who diagnosed the kid with ASD would be treating it as ASD until someone figured out otherwise and realized it was seizures.

I agree with you. There may be multiple causes. I've never said that gut bacteria was the definitive cause of ALL autism nor suggested that what I do WILL work for everyone else.

As they say, do what you've always done, and get what you've always got.

If you continue to approach people as if they're just lazy, not trying hard enough, and not living up to your personal standards, then they're going to tune you out.

I suffered my worst depression and anxiety when I was at my fittest, so, no, depression is not just an affliction of fat, lazy, slobs.

While this is somewhat true.. I've offered up ways for anyone to verify my mental state prior to treatments via my posting history here, on other forums over the last nearly 20 years, the frustrations and socially unacceptable posts on my Facebook status over the last decade - there are forensic text analysis methods that one could go and read and see that my online presence has gone from very Aspie & depressed/frustrated etc to the more balanced tone it is now. Anyways, my point is that it seems BIZARRE how many people post here stating that they want to DIE, yet remain unwilling to try my approach to treating depression/anxiety/ASD etc. Just what do those people have to lose if they're in that state? How could altering their diet possibly do them any harm since they're at such a low vibrational state that they're wishing to be put out of their misery? That's the bizarre part. That people suffering so much aren't willing to Try something to relieve their suffering. Again, to each their own.. but it just makes no damned sense to me whatsoever to read my posts & choose Not to Try to do something for their own health and well being when they literally have nothing left of themselves to lose and everything in life to gain. *shrug* It's not for me to understand, I guess.

I have no idea how, or if, this forum can be queried by chronological order for a poster's history - but my posts are in fact there. I was quite miserable and my symptoms were strong. It's documented in black and white on these forums.

My income level is a hair above the poverty line for where I live. I only have savings/investments because during the times it was a bit higher, I saved & invested nearly every penny I could. Again, money is not really a constraint to doing what I've done. When I began, my TOTAL income was about $150/month. I made the absolute most of it & bit by bit got healthier, was able to work and earn more, then reinvest the additional earnings into my health as fast as possible.

Discipline and self control are much bigger players in one's success of sticking to a strict diet. Fortunately my willpower was so strong because I had hit such a mental health low that I was willing to do A N Y T H I N G it took to never ever EVER be in that dark headspace again. It was the worst imaginable suffering I've ever gone through and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone, but in hindsight, everything happens for a reason.. even that. It was awful to endure while I had to, but it then became a very powerful motivator to stay the course and get healthier no matter what.

I'm curious what you do to lessen the trouble your autism brings? (I've done many other things over the last several years besides diet/intestinal cleanse protocol. Written CBT, meditation, exercise, pharmaceutical drugs etc - but nothing as effective as what I do now.)

I'm dubious. You're cure doesn't seem to involve the ability to undersyand theory of mind.

I understand that people on the spectrum are extremely black & white and rigid in their thinking and acceptance of information, requesting statistical/empirical evidence, the results of scientific studies, or statements from authority figures with the credentials to back up their statements. That's not THE reason I intend to pursue a career in medicine, but it is A reason. In ~15 years (8? 10? 12? 16? who knows.) I hope to be able to switch my communication from "I'm not a doctor, but.." to "In my medical opinion.." That would certainly be a different approach than continuing to be a self diagnosed self treated layman for the rest of my days. Sure, there will still be many who don't believe me, but there may be some who switch their tune and accept that what I'm communicating to them is my God's honest truth, that I do know what I'm talking about, and that it may in fact work for them.

Again, it just seems so incredibly bizarre not to want to try anything different than one is doing to relieve the symptoms they suffer from. Whether my methods or one of countless others I would WAY rather read about people Trying all sorts of things to see if they feel better than read the same complaints over and over and over again with worsening depression/anxiety/feeling suicidal. It's very, very, perplexing that others wouldn't approach their own health and well being as I have mine (not via my methods) in terms of wanting to improve and then trying things until they get a better result for themselves. It's almost as if some people thrive on their own suffering and can't imagine their life without it, like their victims of Stockholm Syndrome but their captor is their own undesirable symptoms. I have no idea if there's a medical term for this. I'm doing my best to describe my thoughts.

I have never ever once stated that depression is just an affliction of fat, lazy, slobs. WTF?

Yes you did

Are you blind or trying to make a joke?

Those quotes are not even close to the same words.

I NEVER posted the words xfilesgeek accused me of posting.

And the quote you just compared it to is NOT the same thing. At all. First the obvious, the words are different. Second, so is the meaning. I've been abundantly clear that I think MANY people are extremely lazy in their approach to their health, physical fitness, finances etc in that they want instant gratification from some convenient magic pill, or 2minute exercise program that gets them a ripped beach body, or expecting to become wealthy overnight with some get rich quick scheme instead of having to do the long disciplined hard work it takes to cook meals, exercise daily, start from square one & save up and invest slowly etc.

Yes, these are all my actual opinions and I stand by them just as countless others stand by the same opinions. However, literally nowhere in there, or any post, have I EVER said, stated or implied, that depression is just an affliction of fat, lazy, slobs. EVER. WTF?

Then explain why you don't understand how depression can stop someone from making the steps to take better care of their health if you don't consider it to be laziness.

I guess people usually target the bad side of things. I personally try to limit what I post here, both the good and bad, because most people literally don't care haha.

On top of that, a lot of the symptoms that I can't seem to fix continuously bother me. Emotional "blindness" is one, because you feel like crap when something happens but it takes you a week to understand what it was that's bothering you. There are some issues that aren't really ever fixed, and those are discussed here because people feel that if more of us converse with each other it will improve collectively. There's no use to post about successes really, though I do see why it could be helpful.

I'll start with this if you want some of us to post our successes. I have improved my social ability inhumanely quickly over the past year or two, and by this point I can even semi-successfully read people. I can communicate and I know better what to say in conversation. I've also become more aware of myself and other people's demands on me.

Now what confuses me is how one person I can talk to is the calmest, nicest person you'll ever meet, then the next one is an as*hole who immediately nitpicks all my mistakes. I'm not saying ANYONE on here is like that, but just something like that confuses me. I mostly come to WP looking for answers to social problems like those.

That's an entirely different question & has Nothing to do with false accusations that I ever said it's only fat people who suffer from depression.

It's a symptom of depression. I comprehend it. I didn't follow my own doctors orders for many years to read a particular book about depression because I was depressed. Eventually I did when I hit such a low that I figured it was at least worth a shot.

What I continue to be confused by is how people could hit such lows of wanting to die, and make posts about oh how they wish there was a cure/treatment etc - and yet are still unwilling to try to do anything to improve their own health. Just plain weird. Like what are they waiting for? To feel a noose around their neck or shotgun barrel in their mouth before they think "Hmmm, I don't like being like this. Maybe I'll try something to see if I don't have to be like this."

Do others simply not have a rock bottom? No point at which they're willing to Try something different to alleviate their symptoms? I find it VERY difficult to believe that I am the only one on these forums willing to make drastic changes to better myself rather than stay at such lows of lows. Again, it seems as if some people thrive on their own negative symptoms and complaining about them and then getting some sort of positive feedback and support that keeps them in a never ending loop of misery. That's not the life for me. I choose better. I choose health. So strange that others don't do similar things for themselves. Obviously I can only have my own personal experiences, thoughts, etc to make such an assessment & judgement from as I don't live anyone else' life here. But. It's. Still. Weird.