The Gender discussions on L&D are harming me
sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Maybe I should take a look at that "Autism forums" -place too... are the members active? ...Or actually, is it worth taking a look at? Would you say it is, Chronos? 'Cause I could really use a place where I could talk about my lovelife issues... or well, the lack of them and how that makes me feel.
I couldn't say. I'm not a member there. It is one of many other ASD websites.
*sweatdrop*
I only know this one... I think I seriously need a session with my good friend Google right now.
I believe Reddit also has a subreddit for people on the spectrum, and one for women on the spectrum, however I believe WP is better than reddit.
I strongly urge apsies not to use reddit or Craigslist for aspie stuff. Those sites are open to anyone as*hole who hates aspies to send you mean threatening messages. Unlike wrongplant where anyone doing such would be banned . Those sites are too big for their mods to give a crap, or if they do to notice it’s happening. I browse reddit for other stuff and mean comments happen a lot I could only imagine it’s be horrible to be an open aspie on them.
I agree with this. A mod on reddit once accused me of breaking a subreddit rule and then banned me after I said I would not do what I did again but asked her to point out what rule I broke so I could comply with it.
She was very unjust and ill willed. I've found people on WP are far easier to have a respectful, insightful conversations with.
Reddit is all of the things I dislike about the NT world condensed into one website.
Chronos wrote:
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Sly no where did I make any assumptions about anything, which was the point of my asking to begin with. The only person who has made any assumptions is you.
Sly no where did I make any assumptions about anything, which was the point of my asking to begin with. The only person who has made any assumptions is you.
what is your other disability that makes you unable to work full time?
The above that you asked implies you don’t consider autism a reason why someone can’t work full time thus you wanted to know what other disability I have thst causes it.
If you accepted autism can cause people to not be able to work full time you’d not have to ask what you asked.
If I saw a man with no legs I wouldn’t ask him what other disability does he have that prevents him from walking.
Sorry you made the assumption that Austin doesn’t make me unable to work full time and so there must be another disability.
goldfish21 wrote:
I didn't say anything about working full time, only you did. WTF?
I suggested that instead of the completely pointless & futile effort to change the minds of every other human on Earth, that you start changing yourself instead, because it's WAY easier & has a WAY higher probability of success. Diet, exercise, and whatever it takes to transform yourself into the type of person that can get himself a date.
You suggested. Change to save my problem. My problem is not being able to work full time which causes me to not be able to work a good paired job. The only change to solve that problem is working full time which I can’t do. So you constantly telling me to just change doesn’t help. There is not a single thing I can change that will solve that problem.
So besides working full time what’s your suggest chang t myself that will solve the not having a well paid job problem? Winning the lottery? I’m waiting? There’s only one solution to lack of s good paying job and it’s to get a good paid job. That or I lie to women but they’ll only work for few weeks at most. Probably just one date when they see I don’t have a car.
How will diet and exercise which I’m already doing but you ignore. Going solve my lack of a well paid job. Will I trade my possible fit body for money as a man whore?
Even still I’d still be ugly, who’s going pay money for a ugly man whore?
Look there’s plenty of women who’ll date fat men, they just won’t date a poor man.
So nothing else matters. If I lived alone and was fit it’d still be forever alone, cause few women will date poor men and they all already in relationships leaving the majority who won’t date a poor man no matter what else he gives to a relationship.
I don’t want just sex which is the most w fit body would get me. One night stands with women who just want sex with a fit body and to move on. I need weeks or months of emotional connection to have sex.
FYI I’ve lost 25-30 pounds already. And I’m trying to get back to it but posts likes yours depress me then I don’t go to the gym and I over eat which has thrown me off for 4 months now. I’m just now starting to go back to the gym but here you are making me depressed with your just change your self posts that don’t do anything t help . I’m not gay. Most women care most about mans income as to them it means he’ll help provide their idea lifestyle, losing weight and getting fit won’t overcome fact I make $11 an hour working 15 hours a week.
Chronos wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Maybe I should take a look at that "Autism forums" -place too... are the members active? ...Or actually, is it worth taking a look at? Would you say it is, Chronos? 'Cause I could really use a place where I could talk about my lovelife issues... or well, the lack of them and how that makes me feel.
I couldn't say. I'm not a member there. It is one of many other ASD websites.
*sweatdrop*
I only know this one... I think I seriously need a session with my good friend Google right now.
I believe Reddit also has a subreddit for people on the spectrum, and one for women on the spectrum, however I believe WP is better than reddit.
I strongly urge apsies not to use reddit or Craigslist for aspie stuff. Those sites are open to anyone as*hole who hates aspies to send you mean threatening messages. Unlike wrongplant where anyone doing such would be banned . Those sites are too big for their mods to give a crap, or if they do to notice it’s happening. I browse reddit for other stuff and mean comments happen a lot I could only imagine it’s be horrible to be an open aspie on them.
I agree with this. A mod on reddit once accused me of breaking a subreddit rule and then banned me after I said I would not do what I did again but asked her to point out what rule I broke so I could comply with it.
She was very unjust and ill willed. I've found people on WP are far easier to have a respectful, insightful conversations with.
Reddit is all of the things I dislike about the NT world condensed into one website.
Besides when I’m googling a question I only actively go to reddit for coin group and for porn from women who enjoy guys seeing them nude. They enjoy it and I enjoy it so win win, though I’m sure I’m not the type of guy they want looking at it. They probably want hot muscular handsome men, but it’s better then porn that could possible been stolen, forced etc.the mods there try to make sure it’s self posted and polite even still there’s still quite a few mean comments to the women .
sly279 wrote:
... I’m trying to get back to it but posts likes yours depress me then I don’t go to the gym and I over eat which has thrown me off for 4 months now. I’m just now starting to go back to the gym but here you are making me depressed with your just change your self posts that don’t do anything t help.
If this truly is the impact that posts by strangers on WP have on you, then I strongly urge you to take a break from this site, or at least the L&D section.
If you've been staying in L&D because you have been getting some useful advice there, jot down that advice to refer to while you take the break.
sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
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Sly no where did I make any assumptions about anything, which was the point of my asking to begin with. The only person who has made any assumptions is you.
Sly no where did I make any assumptions about anything, which was the point of my asking to begin with. The only person who has made any assumptions is you.
what is your other disability that makes you unable to work full time?
The above that you asked implies you don’t consider autism a reason why someone can’t work full time thus you wanted to know what other disability I have thst causes it.
If you accepted autism can cause people to not be able to work full time you’d not have to ask what you asked.
I asked what other disability you had which made you unable to work full time because you have previously eluded to multiple disabilities and I already know about the autism.
Sarahsmith wrote:
I would date a poor guy if he had other good qualities. I mean there are woman who will not date poor men but there are a lot of woman that will date poor men if they have other good qualities. It helps if they can at least support themselves a little bit.
It how many of those minority of women are single?
There’s a lot more poor men then women who date us. So those women get into relationships and stay in them
I support myself via a part time job and disability. I make about 1,000 a month between the two.
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Amity wrote:
I believe the chaps need a men's forum, somewhere they can discuss their own ASD related challenges, if you give them nowhere to talk about the unique issues men on the spectrum face then it can't be surprising that these discussions occur in other sub forums.
The Haven has become a less taboo place than say 4 years ago, and it's the right section for posting about personal challenges, but as a woman if it were the only place I could discuss my own challenges and the men had their own forum I would feel very 'othered', or even silenced. I believe it would evoke in me emotional reactions and drive me to me fight against it to be heard. This reminds me of the silencing of the 'self-diagnosed' and 'gold standard only' diagnosis era on WP.
Having an active women's forum helped me to come to terms with relative biological difficulties like remaining childless for example.
I believe that a balanced men's forum would help men on the spectrum in a similar way, there are many older male members who could share their own relative experiences for the themes that have reoccurred in L&D for years.
I know it was tried before and deemed unnecessary due to lack of use, but in fairness as people are frequently pointing out in the WP discussion section of late, WP was a different place back then.
If the women's forum excludes intolerance such as misandry, a men's forum could behave similarly towards misogyny.
I think we need to remember that our globally based ASD brothers are a minority on the fringes in each of their respective countries and take the time to consider and tolerate how that influences their thoughts, beliefs, values and attitudes.
The Haven has become a less taboo place than say 4 years ago, and it's the right section for posting about personal challenges, but as a woman if it were the only place I could discuss my own challenges and the men had their own forum I would feel very 'othered', or even silenced. I believe it would evoke in me emotional reactions and drive me to me fight against it to be heard. This reminds me of the silencing of the 'self-diagnosed' and 'gold standard only' diagnosis era on WP.
Having an active women's forum helped me to come to terms with relative biological difficulties like remaining childless for example.
I believe that a balanced men's forum would help men on the spectrum in a similar way, there are many older male members who could share their own relative experiences for the themes that have reoccurred in L&D for years.
I know it was tried before and deemed unnecessary due to lack of use, but in fairness as people are frequently pointing out in the WP discussion section of late, WP was a different place back then.
If the women's forum excludes intolerance such as misandry, a men's forum could behave similarly towards misogyny.
I think we need to remember that our globally based ASD brothers are a minority on the fringes in each of their respective countries and take the time to consider and tolerate how that influences their thoughts, beliefs, values and attitudes.
I also think there needs to be a Men's forum as well. There's already a women's forum. There should also be a men's forum. I think it's necessary because of all the points brought up in the above post that I've quoted. There used to be a men's forum. I think it should be brought back.
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CockneyRebel wrote:
Amity wrote:
I believe the chaps need a men's forum, somewhere they can discuss their own ASD related challenges, if you give them nowhere to talk about the unique issues men on the spectrum face then it can't be surprising that these discussions occur in other sub forums.
The Haven has become a less taboo place than say 4 years ago, and it's the right section for posting about personal challenges, but as a woman if it were the only place I could discuss my own challenges and the men had their own forum I would feel very 'othered', or even silenced. I believe it would evoke in me emotional reactions and drive me to me fight against it to be heard. This reminds me of the silencing of the 'self-diagnosed' and 'gold standard only' diagnosis era on WP.
Having an active women's forum helped me to come to terms with relative biological difficulties like remaining childless for example.
I believe that a balanced men's forum would help men on the spectrum in a similar way, there are many older male members who could share their own relative experiences for the themes that have reoccurred in L&D for years.
I know it was tried before and deemed unnecessary due to lack of use, but in fairness as people are frequently pointing out in the WP discussion section of late, WP was a different place back then.
If the women's forum excludes intolerance such as misandry, a men's forum could behave similarly towards misogyny.
I think we need to remember that our globally based ASD brothers are a minority on the fringes in each of their respective countries and take the time to consider and tolerate how that influences their thoughts, beliefs, values and attitudes.
The Haven has become a less taboo place than say 4 years ago, and it's the right section for posting about personal challenges, but as a woman if it were the only place I could discuss my own challenges and the men had their own forum I would feel very 'othered', or even silenced. I believe it would evoke in me emotional reactions and drive me to me fight against it to be heard. This reminds me of the silencing of the 'self-diagnosed' and 'gold standard only' diagnosis era on WP.
Having an active women's forum helped me to come to terms with relative biological difficulties like remaining childless for example.
I believe that a balanced men's forum would help men on the spectrum in a similar way, there are many older male members who could share their own relative experiences for the themes that have reoccurred in L&D for years.
I know it was tried before and deemed unnecessary due to lack of use, but in fairness as people are frequently pointing out in the WP discussion section of late, WP was a different place back then.
If the women's forum excludes intolerance such as misandry, a men's forum could behave similarly towards misogyny.
I think we need to remember that our globally based ASD brothers are a minority on the fringes in each of their respective countries and take the time to consider and tolerate how that influences their thoughts, beliefs, values and attitudes.
I also think there needs to be a Men's forum as well. There's already a women's forum. There should also be a men's forum. I think it's necessary because of all the points brought up in the above post that I've quoted. There used to be a men's forum. I think it should be brought back.
I agree.
Lack of men's forum when there is a women's forum is plain gender inequality.
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magz wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
Amity wrote:
I believe the chaps need a men's forum, somewhere they can discuss their own ASD related challenges, if you give them nowhere to talk about the unique issues men on the spectrum face then it can't be surprising that these discussions occur in other sub forums.
The Haven has become a less taboo place than say 4 years ago, and it's the right section for posting about personal challenges, but as a woman if it were the only place I could discuss my own challenges and the men had their own forum I would feel very 'othered', or even silenced. I believe it would evoke in me emotional reactions and drive me to me fight against it to be heard. This reminds me of the silencing of the 'self-diagnosed' and 'gold standard only' diagnosis era on WP.
Having an active women's forum helped me to come to terms with relative biological difficulties like remaining childless for example.
I believe that a balanced men's forum would help men on the spectrum in a similar way, there are many older male members who could share their own relative experiences for the themes that have reoccurred in L&D for years.
I know it was tried before and deemed unnecessary due to lack of use, but in fairness as people are frequently pointing out in the WP discussion section of late, WP was a different place back then.
If the women's forum excludes intolerance such as misandry, a men's forum could behave similarly towards misogyny.
I think we need to remember that our globally based ASD brothers are a minority on the fringes in each of their respective countries and take the time to consider and tolerate how that influences their thoughts, beliefs, values and attitudes.
The Haven has become a less taboo place than say 4 years ago, and it's the right section for posting about personal challenges, but as a woman if it were the only place I could discuss my own challenges and the men had their own forum I would feel very 'othered', or even silenced. I believe it would evoke in me emotional reactions and drive me to me fight against it to be heard. This reminds me of the silencing of the 'self-diagnosed' and 'gold standard only' diagnosis era on WP.
Having an active women's forum helped me to come to terms with relative biological difficulties like remaining childless for example.
I believe that a balanced men's forum would help men on the spectrum in a similar way, there are many older male members who could share their own relative experiences for the themes that have reoccurred in L&D for years.
I know it was tried before and deemed unnecessary due to lack of use, but in fairness as people are frequently pointing out in the WP discussion section of late, WP was a different place back then.
If the women's forum excludes intolerance such as misandry, a men's forum could behave similarly towards misogyny.
I think we need to remember that our globally based ASD brothers are a minority on the fringes in each of their respective countries and take the time to consider and tolerate how that influences their thoughts, beliefs, values and attitudes.
I also think there needs to be a Men's forum as well. There's already a women's forum. There should also be a men's forum. I think it's necessary because of all the points brought up in the above post that I've quoted. There used to be a men's forum. I think it should be brought back.
I agree.
Lack of men's forum when there is a women's forum is plain gender inequality.
Likewise. I would also like it if men wouldn't have access to women's discussion and women wouldn't have acces to men's discussion. I mean what's the point of having those sections if the other gender is allowed there? It's the same as not having them at all...
I've noticed certain topics in the womens forum tend to attract the men, to a point that had you not looked at the topic's parent directory you wouldn't have known it was in a woman's forum. These are topics normally pertaining to a scenario where a woman asks if she was right to handle man in X way, or any discussion pertaining to male/female beauty standards.
Just make the men's forum already. Then they wouldn't feel the need to crusade in such topics
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Fireblossom wrote:
Likewise. I would also like it if men wouldn't have access to women's discussion and women wouldn't have acces to men's discussion. I mean what's the point of having those sections if the other gender is allowed there? It's the same as not having them at all...
I sort of agree but I don't know how it would be implemented. I'd be happy to be banned from a womans section but I've just recently come to the realisation that I might be a benevolent sexist , have moral scrupulosity or both.
I thought I just had good manners installed in me by my mum .
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Fireblossom wrote:
magz wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
Amity wrote:
I believe the chaps need a men's forum, somewhere they can discuss their own ASD related challenges, if you give them nowhere to talk about the unique issues men on the spectrum face then it can't be surprising that these discussions occur in other sub forums.
The Haven has become a less taboo place than say 4 years ago, and it's the right section for posting about personal challenges, but as a woman if it were the only place I could discuss my own challenges and the men had their own forum I would feel very 'othered', or even silenced. I believe it would evoke in me emotional reactions and drive me to me fight against it to be heard. This reminds me of the silencing of the 'self-diagnosed' and 'gold standard only' diagnosis era on WP.
Having an active women's forum helped me to come to terms with relative biological difficulties like remaining childless for example.
I believe that a balanced men's forum would help men on the spectrum in a similar way, there are many older male members who could share their own relative experiences for the themes that have reoccurred in L&D for years.
I know it was tried before and deemed unnecessary due to lack of use, but in fairness as people are frequently pointing out in the WP discussion section of late, WP was a different place back then.
If the women's forum excludes intolerance such as misandry, a men's forum could behave similarly towards misogyny.
I think we need to remember that our globally based ASD brothers are a minority on the fringes in each of their respective countries and take the time to consider and tolerate how that influences their thoughts, beliefs, values and attitudes.
The Haven has become a less taboo place than say 4 years ago, and it's the right section for posting about personal challenges, but as a woman if it were the only place I could discuss my own challenges and the men had their own forum I would feel very 'othered', or even silenced. I believe it would evoke in me emotional reactions and drive me to me fight against it to be heard. This reminds me of the silencing of the 'self-diagnosed' and 'gold standard only' diagnosis era on WP.
Having an active women's forum helped me to come to terms with relative biological difficulties like remaining childless for example.
I believe that a balanced men's forum would help men on the spectrum in a similar way, there are many older male members who could share their own relative experiences for the themes that have reoccurred in L&D for years.
I know it was tried before and deemed unnecessary due to lack of use, but in fairness as people are frequently pointing out in the WP discussion section of late, WP was a different place back then.
If the women's forum excludes intolerance such as misandry, a men's forum could behave similarly towards misogyny.
I think we need to remember that our globally based ASD brothers are a minority on the fringes in each of their respective countries and take the time to consider and tolerate how that influences their thoughts, beliefs, values and attitudes.
I also think there needs to be a Men's forum as well. There's already a women's forum. There should also be a men's forum. I think it's necessary because of all the points brought up in the above post that I've quoted. There used to be a men's forum. I think it should be brought back.
I agree.
Lack of men's forum when there is a women's forum is plain gender inequality.
Likewise. I would also like it if men wouldn't have access to women's discussion and women wouldn't have acces to men's discussion. I mean what's the point of having those sections if the other gender is allowed there? It's the same as not having them at all...
Even now you have the choice to start a thread in the women's forum titled 'women only' and the male posters are required to respect that.
Alternatively, there is the members only forum for a less public discussion.
Ive found that segregation in this way (e.g. women only forum) doesn't lead to balanced progress or a peaceful environment. Exclusionary signs on the outside of a social environment stating things such as 'no women, no blacks, no Irish, no dogs' belong firmly in the past.
Also ...our ASD gender fluid or transgender friends need to experience actual inclusion.
Transparency tends to reduce fears of the unknown/prejudice and leads to accountability; a men's forum with the same respectful rules as the women's forum would encourage individual agency.
SaveFerris wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Likewise. I would also like it if men wouldn't have access to women's discussion and women wouldn't have acces to men's discussion. I mean what's the point of having those sections if the other gender is allowed there? It's the same as not having them at all...
I sort of agree but I don't know how it would be implemented. I'd be happy to be banned from a womans section but I've just recently come to the realisation that I might be a benevolent sexist , have moral scrupulosity or both.
I thought I just had good manners installed in me by my mum .
I like the blue one.
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Amity wrote:
Even now you have the choice to start a thread in the women's forum titled 'women only' and the male posters are required to respect that.
There was a rule like that there? I didn't remember... but is it supervised properly? As in do men that take part in topics like that get warnings or something? 'Cause otherwise there really is no point...