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14 Aug 2019, 8:07 pm

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Thanks Ezra and Kraftie Korti. I thought he was homeless a long time, but that recent post made me wonder. I guess I have been considering living in a shelter as homeless, in the same way as being on the street.


That is the way I think of it. A shelter is not a stable environment. And he is still out on the street when he not sleeping in one.



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14 Aug 2019, 8:14 pm

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...Perhaps it is not clear to Ezra that I have not been regularly on-the-street homeless for a long long time. After I had my heart attack and the CHF set in :cry: , I have not been able to regularly do that.
He sees care-home people as nicer, and better situations, than I have. He speaks of doing lots of Internet there - I would tend to think of a care home as someone who, if they did stop a person from using the Internet completely, would sharply reduce the amount of time you bad for it and it's scope - People who take things away from you :( .
Likewise, they d want to force psychoactive drugs on you, literally force you, perhaps, and watch you gurgle in a chait :cry:. That would be good in their eyes.
Maybe they'd say about a person " He's not good.for anything but being on a back ward the rest of his life, as they said about me! :evil:
I walk so slow now - maybe I'm heading for a CHF heart attack. :skull:


Someone is supposed to come and be sure you are okay in these places. A person has the right to be able to lock their door and pay for their own internet access. I wouldn't trust it to the home though, because you just never know. But if Ezra paid his bill, locks his door, has his own equipment, how can they take it away? Are you saying they knock the door down and physically steal everything?


Nothing like that happens 99% of the time. As far as I know those places are equipped with wifi and probably cable. The more time residents spend watching tv or are on the internet, the less work it is for them (the staff).

You pay a fee just like paying rent and all your other personal bills are paid by you the way you have always paid them or had them paid.

As long as you are not flagged as a flight risk you can come and go. But you do need to check out and check back in and get back by a certain time. One of their biggest concerns is liability, so they are going to want to keep tabs on you.

Usually one gets picked up by some sort of community transit. You have probably seen small buses around like I have. And many of those are transporting seniors and disabled people.



That sounds wonderful, it's good to know you are safe. :!:


I am asking the WP member who lives in a care home questions about it, and getting the kinds of answers I expected.

I seriously doubt that I will be told anything that will surprise me, or make me leery of moving into one.



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14 Aug 2019, 8:31 pm

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...Yes, I've been all but 100% shelter-homeless for years now. As of now, it's approaching 3 Pam, I have just two shopping bags of stuff, including the 1 change-plus of clothes I mentioned. My clothes are clean. anyway.
I left behind other clothes. my one other pair of shoes, reading, my pills, extra bedding bought by me, not the shelter (some just yesterday) :( ...........



What happened? Why did you lose your bed? Did you 'time out,' meaning they rotate you out so someone else get's your bed for a break from the streets?


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Why did you leave behind your pills!? :o Not taking your heart medication regularly is what causes you to be exhausted, retain fluids (“water weight “), and probably is responsible for your cough. That’s what congestive heart failure does to you. And don’t you take epilepsy medication now too? You shouldn’t stop it suddenly. I have epilepsy too. Do you take pills for your kidney problems too?

On a positive note, I read that Medi-Cal covers free dentures!


I hope I do not sound heartless, but this scenario has always been going on. There is nothing new about any of this, based on 10 years worth of posts.

All the things being looked up, has already been looked up and suggested by many others. Mountains of research and info of what to do about this that and the other, that the OP has never followed through on. You are just repeating what has already been said and basically wasting your time.

I have never gotten the idea that there is supposed to be any resolution or breakthrough. Any time something fortunate does happen, it is short lived of one reason or another and back to square one. This is supposed to be an ongoing tale of sorrow.

I do not know if this is a Munchhausen thing or if the OP intentionally or unavoidably carriers on in a way that makes his situation what it is. But I am not expecting it to ever get any better.



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14 Aug 2019, 8:41 pm

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...Yes, I've been all but 100% shelter-homeless for years now. As of now, it's approaching 3 Pam, I have just two shopping bags of stuff, including the 1 change-plus of clothes I mentioned. My clothes are clean. anyway.
I left behind other clothes. my one other pair of shoes, reading, my pills, extra bedding bought by me, not the shelter (some just yesterday) :( ...........



What happened? Why did you lose your bed? Did you 'time out,' meaning they rotate you out so someone else get's your bed for a break from the streets?


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Why did you leave behind your pills!? :o Not taking your heart medication regularly is what causes you to be exhausted, retain fluids (“water weight “), and probably is responsible for your cough. That’s what congestive heart failure does to you. And don’t you take epilepsy medication now too? You shouldn’t stop it suddenly. I have epilepsy too. Do you take pills for your kidney problems too?

On a positive note, I read that Medi-Cal covers free dentures!


I hope I do not sound heartless, but this scenario has always been going on. There is nothing new about any of this, based on 10 years worth of posts.

All the things being looked up, has already been looked up and suggested by many others. Mountains of research and info of what to do about this that and the other, that the OP has never followed through on. You are just repeating what has already been said and basically wasting your breath.

I have never gotten the idea that there is supposed to be any resolution or breakthrough. Any time something fortunate does happen, it is short lived of one reason or another and back to square one. This is supposed to be an ongoing tale of woe.

I do not know if this is a Munchhausen thing or if the OP intentionally or unavoidably carriers on in a way that makes his situation what it is. But I am not expecting it to ever get any better.



Poor dude, must be stuck in some sort of self-destructive mindset.


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14 Aug 2019, 10:38 pm

Ezra, I think you’re right. There have been some very good people here trying to help out, you included. I don’t think anyone will be able to really help him. He has some pretty deep set fears about trusting anything/anyone official. And he seems pretty set in his ways. I don’t know if I feel more sad or more frustrated reading about his hopes and dreams versus plain and simple reality.



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14 Aug 2019, 11:05 pm

My feelings are ambivalent as to whether this is real, partially real or fake. I and others have noticed inconsistencies. And there are like you pointed out a lot of unanswered questions. Questions that arise because there are contradictions and things that do not add up.

One of the most memorable ones was the long saga of the "TLPOP" (two little pieces of paper) meaning high school transcripts. Which at that time was the absolute most important vital "magic key to the kingdom" with huge amounts of crying :cry: and pleading for help in getting them. Someone put a lot of time and effort into making it happen, and then nothing. No more mention of the precious vital "TLPOP". And needless to say, the person who went through all that, for nothing, was deeply upset and angry.

And that is just one of very many of those kinds of scenarios that have been going on for over 10 years involving a great many WP members. I really can not help but feel at times that we are all being toyed with.



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15 Aug 2019, 12:14 am

...Ezra. you keep saying things disagreeing with me

Now, you're extending it to jumping on me about the HS records/college applications thing. If Robin is " mad " that was not expressed to me.
I've rather put the thought of trying to go to c.f. and from there to uni - on the back shelf, anyway. In my hanging around San Francisco the last few years the thought was partly that I'd try to go to City College of San Francisco as a first step. But, for one. it has occurred to me that doing that in San Francisco is likely not doable. So, while I am stuck in SF - and I'm rather stuck now here, reme.ner - it goes rather on the back burner.
For another, my physical condition in the last year or so has me wondering if I do have enough physical ability to pursue a degree anymore - And even wondering if.I'll live long enough for it.to be doable :( . So, it's the back-burner.
If I had a reasonably safe a d secure place and I was not being stolen :cry: from --- perhaps I could do more!! !! !! !! !! ! Did you see my comme t about all the phones that were stolen from me, just phones. in my week's in this shelter :(?
I don't have epilepsy, briefly.
I.
have been trying to get that windfall to help me, and it has...Well. what's the title of this line?





...In the last year-ish I have rather focused on trying to get a place of some sort. and bring my stuff I bought in 2018 there. and set things up - especially considering my bad back/etc. 80sith that set up perhaps I could explore c.f./uni possibilities. maybe. I don't have that my old HS address handy anymore, if I could get it?
Some people here?? seem determined to nag me forever about the Patterson place, saying it was great - That eould've hardly allowed uni

The Patterson plane's (briefly keeping me there basically full time. and that I wouldn't have had enough privacy there, and the sucking up of my money for tea deportation while (It would have had to have been) lying to me about the existence of public transportation made them unac notable. For me
I had to get out soon. or be stuck there with my money gone. " Daniel " acted very inappropriately!
I'm going to try and see if the hospital will get me into something, or/and put me up for a few days.
Yes, they throw people with 9p-day beds in that shelter out after 90 days# It.
was. with it flaws? a roof and ceiling. (a cruddy - and with bedbugs) bed, a plug and Wi-Fi, a bathroom


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15 Aug 2019, 1:51 am

Why would it come as a surprise that someone is mad because they went the extra mile for you, for nothing?

He gave you the phone number and the name of the person to have your transcripts sent to you. As for the school address, name of the school is on your FB page.

The way I look at it is, if someone puts out oodles of posts going on and on about how desperate they are to get something, and then say 'meh not important, back burner' then I can not depend on anything they say or claim.

And most all of your major crisis issues that you go on and on about in multiple threads end up on the back burner. Or magically disappear.

Most of the stuff you come up with about the Patterson care home, does not match up with reality. I checked out the few care homes there and I would have no reservations about living in any of them.

The reason why I harp on it is that it offered the same sort of arrangement I have now, which I know is not going to be much different than the care home I move into. So when I read all your tales of how horrible life on the street is, I can't help but think how you put yourself back in that situation. Even paid "Daniel" a bunch of money to drive you back to it.

And I see as usual when I put you on the spot, you break character and put out a long perfectly written post.



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15 Aug 2019, 3:42 am

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Why would it come as a surprise that someone is mad because they went the extra mile for you, for nothing?

Most all of your major crisis issues that you go on and on about in multiple threads end up on the back burner. Or magically disappear.

Most of the stuff you come up with about the Patterson care home, does not match up with reality. I checked out the few care homes there and I would have no reservations about living in any of them.

The reason why I harp on it is that it offered the same sort of arrangement I have now, which I know is not going to be much different than the care home I move into. So when I read all your tales of how horrible life on the street is, I can't help but think how you put yourself back in that situation. Even paid "Daniel" a bunch of money to drive you back to it.

And I see as usual when I put you on the spot, you break character and put out a long perfectly written post.






...The other places you investigated may well be fine. THIS ONE WAS NOT. (It wasn't licenced - a cars home that is not licenced might be quite questionable. That is the point.) I know what " Daniel " did, and it wasn't right.
You tend to say things just to be disagreeable/start an argument!
If I hadn't paid much money to that their " Daniel " I would have been stuck up there! Which would NOT have been good!


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My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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15 Aug 2019, 3:58 am

There are only a few residential care homes in little Patterson. They were easy to investigate, the way I investigate the ones I might move into. They all looked ok to me. Definitely preferable to living out on the streets. Now perhaps you perfer it that way, which is up to you. But how sorry are people supposed to feel for you given that you chose to go back to it knowing what you would be in for?

You can't make that big a production out of the life of ASS-P, get people all involved, and not expect them to question all kinds of things that raise all kinds of questions.



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15 Aug 2019, 4:56 am

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Why would it come as a surprise that someone is mad because they went the extra mile for you, for nothing?

Most all of your major crisis issues that you go on and on about in multiple threads end up on the back burner. Or magically disappear.

Most of the stuff you come up with about the Patterson care home, does not match up with reality. I checked out the few care homes there and I would have no reservations about living in any of them.

The reason why I harp on it is that it offered the same sort of arrangement I have now, which I know is not going to be much different than the care home I move into. So when I read all your tales of how horrible life on the street is, I can't help but think how you put yourself back in that situation. Even paid "Daniel" a bunch of money to drive you back to it.

And I see as usual when I put you on the spot, you break character and put out a long perfectly written post.






...The other places you investigated may well be fine. THIS ONE WAS NOT. (It wasn't licenced - a cars home that is not licenced might be quite questionable. That is the point.) I know what " Daniel " did, and it wasn't right.
You tend to say things just to be disagreeable/start an argument!
If I hadn't paid much money to that their " Daniel " I would have been stuck up there! Which would NOT have been good!


What do you consider a reasonable amount of money to pay for room and board?


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15 Aug 2019, 5:19 am

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What do you consider a reasonable amount of money to pay for room and board?


He is talking about the $140 the care home director charged him to haul him and all his stuff from Patterson back to Santa Cruz; a 106 mile 2 hr drive. That's a 212 miles and 4 hrs roundtrip. About 65 cents per mile.

The rent was $900 pr mo.



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15 Aug 2019, 5:44 am

...$900 was the monthly rent, yes. I paid it and I DID NKT COMPLSIN ABOUT IT. Not at all!
Other things done by the home/" Daniel " we're my complaint. not the $900 rent. I paid ALL of that, without complaint!


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15 Aug 2019, 6:19 am

I know the West Coast is significantly more expensive, but that's a lot ($900)! Does that include everything ( lights, water, food, transport to doc appointments, etc?). The people in my area only get about $900/mo total for SS/D. So, they would basically just be signing over their check.

As far as hauling stuff, I try not to ever need help with that. Or just carry very little... I would expect that to be a luxury I could not afford.


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15 Aug 2019, 6:40 am

Persephone29 wrote:
I know the West Coast is significantly more expensive, but that's a lot ($900)! Does that include everything ( lights, water, food, transport to doc appointments, etc?). The people in my area only get about $900/mo total for SS/D. So, they would basically just be signing over their check.

As far as hauling stuff, I try not to ever need help with that. Or just carry very little... I would expect that to be a luxury I could not afford.


It is a care home with a staff to look after you. It includes utlities, cable, wifi, furniture and meals. You have to arrange your own transportation. I would be using a country shuttle service if I were able to go places on my own. I figure since all my needs will be cared for, I will not need much extra cash.



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15 Aug 2019, 7:47 am

I wish he would get a place that would enable him to get Burger King or something like that once in a while.

Sometimes, the food in these care home type places makes you want to do Burger King.

Even though Burger King isn’t really all that good for him.

I wish the food in hospitals, nursing homes, and the like were better.

If I had to live on that food, I would ache for Popeye’s. Or Tim Horton’s.

Still, even the care home food is sometimes better than soup kitchen food.