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02 Nov 2020, 4:55 pm

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Cleaning is a transferable skill AND it happens to be in high demand during a viral pandemic where many surfaces have to be cleaned more frequently to prevent the spread of C-19!

IMO: Reality is that it doesn’t particularly matter if you Want to Only clean buses/bus stations (which should be in high demand to keep public transit areas clean during the pandemic), IF your depot gets shut down and you’re out of a job you’ll Need to take a job cleaning something else temporarily until your bus depot cleaning job is back. If you Must relate it to your interest in buses in order to do it, remind yourself every day that you’re only cleaning this other place temporarily along your journey back to the bus depot again and it’s not your occupation forever - just a stop-gap job to pay the bills until you can be surrounded by buses again.

People do what they Need to do when they need to do it. I’ve bartended with teachers, unloaded trucks with Olympic athletes and concrete structure architects etc - people take on jobs that are available and do them with a smile in order to make ends meet & save towards their financial goals. It’s that simple.

If you lose your job and other jobs are available but you Refuse to do them and end up homeless as a result then it’s not for lack of jobs, it’d be because you refused to accept reality and work a different role for a while. Don’t do that. It won’t serve your goal of maintaining your home and pets Nor of getting back to work at the bus depot. I’m sure they’d rather see that you kept working away cleaning something else vs became homeless and desperate waiting for your bus depot cleaning job to return.

If the depot loses out on too much money and shuts down temporarily and I know that I'll get my job back after the pandemic, then I'll be fine with that. Anything to keep my home, pets and sanity. I mean I'm worrying more about not being able to have any control, like 300 people all going for each cleaning job and only 1 or 2 being hired. It's not possible that I'm going to be able to walk into another cleaning job just like that. It's a big gamble. And I am not cleaning at any care homes or hospitals, because I am paranoid of getting COVID and I don't want to be in an environment where my chances of catching it are higher, as I have a vulnerable person living with me (my boyfriend). At my bus cleaning job we work outside mostly, on our own, it's easier to social distance and you're not directly coming into contact with COVID. We wear special masks and are disinfecting as we're going along so we're killing all the COVID germs.

Yes - I am against lockdowns but I don't want to get COVID either, for my boyfriend's sake mostly. I was just happy doing as I was doing between the lockdowns; wearing my mask, sanitizing my hands regularly, avoiding crowds, keeping 6 feet away from others and staying away from vulnerable loved ones if I can. It can be done even when you go out, as all the shops here have hand sanitizing dispensers and social distancing measures. So them just going and shutting the shops just because of the covidiots that kept throwing huge social gatherings and not abiding to any of the rules now we've all got to suffer.

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02 Nov 2020, 5:41 pm

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Governments aren’t doing lockdowns because they love the idea of telling people what to do and killing economies. They’re doing it in the best interest of public health and the better people abide by them sooner, the shorter they need to be to get covid under control. It's not rocket surgery - it’s pretty basic science.

You are making it sound like the scientists who are advising governments know what they are talking about. The state of Victoria I live in Australia wasn't even basing their lockdown policies on health experts, they used modelling from the transport industry?. Our state government had already defunded our state public health department (not unlike Trump's defunding of the CDC) prior to COVID so we were unable to trace infections properly.

Incompetence and lack of decisive leadership across the globe relating to travel restrictions allowed the virus to infliltrate the world.

To compensate for this incompetence our leaders are punishing the populations they are supposed to be in charge off by doing nationwide lockdowns. The science of covid is an emerging field, it is rocket science.

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02 Nov 2020, 5:47 pm

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If you lose your job and other jobs are available but you Refuse to do them and end up homeless as a result then it’s not for lack of jobs, it’d be because you refused to accept reality and work a different role for a while.

For people who have lost their homes, businesses, their income the lockdowns have been a catastrophe. The psychological impact of being thrust into poverty and loss of a livelihood/career is unmeasurable.

The ongoing debate across the globe is whether the pain inflicted by governments is warranted. The evidence is stacking up that its not.

Even health experts are admitting they got it wrong. Lockdown was not the way to go.

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02 Nov 2020, 6:21 pm

I'm sorry, Joe, that you have such anxiety.

I believe nonessential shops are closed----but that people can still go to work, and take the buses to work. That's different from March and April, when people were told not to go to work, to work from home.

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03 Nov 2020, 12:10 am

all i know is that i don't want to catch the damned thing and will do what is necessary to avoid such.

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03 Nov 2020, 12:14 am

envirozentinel, if you don't it will lead to deaths... how is socializing more important than not dying?! (And of all sites, on an autistic one too... as if socializing couldn't be more useless, it's now lethal...)

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03 Nov 2020, 12:21 am

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100% behind you on this, Cyberdad. I'm not a Trumpian type by any means but the way so many governments have used fear as the driving force for lockdown rationale, at the cost of their economies, makes no sense whatsoever. It would seem that NZ managed things very well without impacting their economy too badly, and they have a leader who inspires confidence rather than fear.

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03 Nov 2020, 12:27 am

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Fear / paranoia is the biggest enemy. Most people survive Covid. It's probably killing more folk indirectly through suicide as a result of losing their jobs etc. We are at a low lockdown level in my country so at least we can visit family, which I do freely. I wear my mask indoors at the shopping malls and other public spaces, but not outdoors as I am seldom in close contact with others then - walking or running / exercising.

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03 Nov 2020, 12:40 am

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how is socializing more important than not dying?! (And of all sites, on an autistic one too... as if socializing couldn't be more useless, it's now lethal...)

Many autistic people on this site have lost their jobs during the crisis. Perhaps you should ask them how they feel.

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03 Nov 2020, 2:35 am

cyberdad wrote:

Weirdness wrote:

how is socializing more important than not dying?! (And of all sites, on an autistic one too... as if socializing couldn't be more useless, it's now lethal...)

Many autistic people on this site have lost their jobs during the crisis. Perhaps you should ask them how they feel.

I was laid off Feb 24th - a few weeks before covid lockdowns really started. And then because everything was shut down I collected unemployment insurance for several months.

I feel very Okay about it. Sure, my apprenticeship has been interrupted and my income temporarily reduced, but so what? I’d rather lose a little time and money than my, a family member’s, or someone else’ life.

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03 Nov 2020, 3:19 am

It still seems to come down to those who easily capitulate to mandates and those who question the necessity, practically and validity of them.

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03 Nov 2020, 8:50 am

There appears to be a growing push back against restrictions in England. One of the major radio stations and a couple of the newspapers are near enough campaigning against it. At first it was people like David Icke but there's now respectable broadcasters such as Richard Madeley saying that, although the virus is real, it's not the plague and it doesn't justify changing our way of life over.

The left are cheerleading the lockdown because it mostly effects the private sector and weakens the government with every U-turn, the MPs probably don't care because there's money to be made out of the crisis and they'll do very well out of it, so it's left to fringe parties and their supporters on the right to attempt to bring the government to account.

The conspiracy theorists have created a huge fog of confusion however and the general public are having trouble seeing through the nonsense to get to the facts and evaluate the propaganda.

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03 Nov 2020, 11:03 am

How is the pandemic making money? The UK is already in over a trillion pounds debt which they'll never pay off in a million years.

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03 Nov 2020, 11:42 am

Back to Joe90’s concerns...I have a friend who does cleaning work; she is ALWAYS looking for clients.
Now, however, she is SO busy!!

People had called her to cancel because they would be home and would be doing their own cleaning. they thought they would not need someone to come in and clean while they were at work. But they found out real fast that a house gets a LOT dirtier and faster when people are home all day than when everyone is at work/school!
She is so busy, she has to squeeze people in!
House cleaning is not bus cleaning, but under our circumstances, good cleaners are in demand, and cleaning services are hiring; check it out!
You do have options!

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03 Nov 2020, 12:09 pm

Some positive news ...

JAB HOPE GPs preparing to give Covid vaccine ‘to over 85s and NHS staff next month’

Terri-Ann Williams, Digital Health & Fitness Reporter
3 Nov 2020, 16:39Updated: 3 Nov 2020, 16:59

... According to Pulse Today, a magazine for GPs, two vaccines are currently being prepared for release.

One of the jabs is said to require two doses, while another will need to be stored at minus 70 degrees.

But it's not just NHS staff and the elderly that will get the jab, it has also been reported that teams will also be delivering the jab to care homes.

It is not yet clear if the vaccines will be rolled out to certain trusts, or if this will be on a local authority basis.

GPs will receive a "directed enhanced service" (DES) from next week which sets out how they deliver a service above their usual contract.

It has been told the DES on a potential Covid vaccine rollout is "imminent, potentially by next week".

Last week it was reported that the Oxford University jab produces a "strong immune response" in elderly participants.

Experts said information from an earlier stage of the jab trial suggests "similar" immune response among younger and older adults.

It raises fresh hopes that the Oxford University and AstraZeneca vaccine candidate will protect all sectors of society

Read in Full ...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13098129/gps-covid-vaccine-over-85s-nhs-staff-next-month/

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