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02 Jun 2024, 8:20 pm

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The problem with picking mods on this forum is that there are certain members that, whilst intellectually capable of modding, likely cannot be relied on to be impartial because of, amongst other things, having personal grudges against certain members and/or being part of a clique.

Cliques are an issue on this forum, there is no doubt, and if a person doesn't think there is an issue in regard, it's probably because they are part of a clique.


Like others have said, I think the idea of cliques is usually raised by people who don't like that a handful of people are in agreement over disagreeing with them.

Especially because, if one pays attention the people who get lumped together as a clique tend to disagree pretty aggressively on other issues. It's less of a clique and more a matter of having aligned views on a handful of issues.

But also, if someone was made a mod and demonstrated obvious bias they could be made no-longer-a-mod or worse for abusing power. I would expect that to be clearly communicated to anyone who's being given that power. Beyond that, if there's a mod who's assumed to be biased, odds are they'll face scrutiny from posters meaning demonstrations of bias should end up being noticed.

I know you didn't say that but I think some people probably don't appreciate the nuance of what is or might be accurate, based on who has or has not broken the forum rules.

The members who are most often considered to be part of a clique by others, typically by banned members, are fully aware that they are not. Those members, if we are thinking of the same people, are more than capable of appreciating nuance. Apart from those members, I suppose there could be other cliques, but it’s not like WP has a particularly big user base at this point.


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02 Jun 2024, 8:22 pm

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I think it is important not to dismiss the possibility of there existing a clique or cliques, simply because someone or some people who are banned, are of that opinion.


I wouldn't dismiss it based on who's said it. I'd dismiss it based on a lack of evidence.

After dismissing it, I would seek an alternate explanation, which is that there was a group of people (who wouldn't like being called a clique) who identified the people they often disagreed with as a clique with zero evidence outside of those people often voicing disagreement with them.

When that labelling started I had very little interaction with either TP or Izzy and they had only started talking because a former poster had been manipulating them.

If I'm not mistaken, that former poster is where the meme of a clique being out to get some people originated, but it eventually became a favoured talking point among a number of now former posters because it was easier to blame a shadowy cabal than consider maybe they were just being as*holes.


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02 Jun 2024, 8:26 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:
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The problem with picking mods on this forum is that there are certain members that, whilst intellectually capable of modding, likely cannot be relied on to be impartial because of, amongst other things, having personal grudges against certain members and/or being part of a clique.

Cliques are an issue on this forum, there is no doubt, and if a person doesn't think there is an issue in regard, it's probably because they are part of a clique.


Like others have said, I think the idea of cliques is usually raised by people who don't like that a handful of people are in agreement over disagreeing with them.

Especially because, if one pays attention the people who get lumped together as a clique tend to disagree pretty aggressively on other issues. It's less of a clique and more a matter of having aligned views on a handful of issues.

But also, if someone was made a mod and demonstrated obvious bias they could be made no-longer-a-mod or worse for abusing power. I would expect that to be clearly communicated to anyone who's being given that power. Beyond that, if there's a mod who's assumed to be biased, odds are they'll face scrutiny from posters meaning demonstrations of bias should end up being noticed.

I know you didn't say that but I think some people probably don't appreciate the nuance of what is or might be accurate, based on who has or has not broken the forum rules.

The members who are most often considered to be part of a clique by others, typically by banned members, are fully aware that they are not. Those members, if we are thinking of the same people, are more than capable of appreciating nuance. Apart from those members, I suppose there could be other cliques, but it’s not like WP has a particularly big user base at this point.


I find it a bit sad that WP has gotten so small in terms of its user base.



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02 Jun 2024, 8:27 pm

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I think it is important not to dismiss the possibility of there existing a clique or cliques, simply because someone or some people who are banned, are of that opinion.


I wouldn't dismiss it based on who's said it. I'd dismiss it based on a lack of evidence.

After dismissing it, I would seek an alternate explanation, which is that there was a group of people (who wouldn't like being called a clique) who identified the people they often disagreed with as a clique with zero evidence outside of those people often voicing disagreement with them.

When that labelling started I had very little interaction with either TP or Izzy and they had only started talking because a former poster had been manipulating them.

If I'm not mistaken, that former poster is where the meme of a clique being out to get some people originated, but it eventually became a favoured talking point among a number of now former posters because it was easier to blame a shadowy cabal than consider maybe they were just being as*holes.


Your choice of words there is amusing.



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02 Jun 2024, 8:31 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
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I think it is important not to dismiss the possibility of there existing a clique or cliques, simply because someone or some people who are banned, are of that opinion.


I wouldn't dismiss it based on who's said it. I'd dismiss it based on a lack of evidence.

After dismissing it, I would seek an alternate explanation, which is that there was a group of people (who wouldn't like being called a clique) who identified the people they often disagreed with as a clique with zero evidence outside of those people often voicing disagreement with them.

When that labelling started I had very little interaction with either TP or Izzy and they had only started talking because a former poster had been manipulating them.

If I'm not mistaken, that former poster is where the meme of a clique being out to get some people originated, but it eventually became a favoured talking point among a number of now former posters because it was easier to blame a shadowy cabal than consider maybe they were just being as*holes.


Your choice of words there is amusing.


Well like, that seems to be the main reason the clique accusation is made, because it's a way of treating the people one disagrees with as something more organized than just a handful of people who individually disagree with them.

I'm surprised they don't accuse George Soros of funding everyone who disagrees with them because it's all a plot to make them look like as*holes, rather than them just consistently appearing like as*holes.


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02 Jun 2024, 8:33 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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blitzkrieg wrote:
I think it is important not to dismiss the possibility of there existing a clique or cliques, simply because someone or some people who are banned, are of that opinion.


I wouldn't dismiss it based on who's said it. I'd dismiss it based on a lack of evidence.

After dismissing it, I would seek an alternate explanation, which is that there was a group of people (who wouldn't like being called a clique) who identified the people they often disagreed with as a clique with zero evidence outside of those people often voicing disagreement with them.

When that labelling started I had very little interaction with either TP or Izzy and they had only started talking because a former poster had been manipulating them.

If I'm not mistaken, that former poster is where the meme of a clique being out to get some people originated, but it eventually became a favoured talking point among a number of now former posters because it was easier to blame a shadowy cabal than consider maybe they were just being as*holes.


Your choice of words there is amusing.


Well like, that seems to be the main reason the clique accusation is made, because it's a way of treating the people one disagrees with as something more organized than just a handful of people who individually disagree with them.

I'm surprised they don't accuse George Soros of funding everyone who disagrees with them because it's all a plot to make them look like as*holes, rather than them just consistently appearing like as*holes.


I am disappointed that you are not a part of a shadowy cabal. 8)



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02 Jun 2024, 8:34 pm

It often seems to come down to who members are unhappy with at the moment. If they’ve gotten into a spat with BB for example, then she’ll be included in the clique. It’s much easier to blame a clique than to consider one’s own sh***y behavior or even to think that someone might genuinely disagree with them. In any case, people wouldn’t be banned if they hadn’t broken the rules.

I’m pretty sure members can be friends with each other and even agree on topics without being considered part of a clique. The label isn’t applied consistently. People often consider others as being in a clique when they engage with people in a similar or even more extreme way. There was a fair amount of bullying being done by the group of members who are no longer around. They still are obviously talking and monitoring what goes on in the lives of members they don’t like.

The interest does not extend both ways.


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02 Jun 2024, 8:36 pm

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I am disappointed that you are not a part of a shadowy cabal. 8)


You mean, besides our shadowy cabal.

Which everyone knows exists because we're friendly and make jokes together and that's all the evidence needed to prove posters are part of a clique. 8)


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02 Jun 2024, 8:38 pm

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I am disappointed that you are not a part of a shadowy cabal. 8)


You mean, besides our shadowy cabal.

Which everyone knows exists because we're friendly and make jokes together and that's all the evidence needed to prove posters are part of a clique. 8)

It’s often (but not always) helpful to have the same sex organs I’ve noticed. :shrug:


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02 Jun 2024, 8:41 pm

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I am disappointed that you are not a part of a shadowy cabal. 8)


You mean, besides our shadowy cabal.

Which everyone knows exists because we're friendly and make jokes together and that's all the evidence needed to prove posters are part of a clique. 8)

It’s often (but not always) helpful to have the same sex organs I’ve noticed. :shrug:


Usually, although I appreciate being an honorary member of the chick clique, given who else is usually named as alleged members it's good company.


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02 Jun 2024, 8:45 pm

If it was a real clique, we’d appreciate having you. Maybe it’s time to give up fighting the label and become an actual clique. Of course, I don’t fully know how they work. I didn’t go to high school. Maybe I could buy a manual on the topic. :chin:


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02 Jun 2024, 8:50 pm

Can we be a set instead of a clique? I've always thought set sounded better.


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02 Jun 2024, 9:01 pm

Set does have a nice ring to it….

I think that’s a good idea.


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03 Jun 2024, 12:57 am

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I don't care about clique me

As far as I'm concerned everyone's a singular

I don't look into it any deeper than that

Although I'm not completely stupid


Yeah, I have noticed you don't seem to be part of any clique, bb.

Apart from being in a clique with me, obviously. :lol:


Oh yeah we're well clicky us

Everyone better watch out man

I do happen to think there are some people who like other people to think there are such things going on. I've experienced this first hand with a certain person who I won't name but it's just like in real life when people like to make themselves look more powerful by pretending they're more popular than they actually are

It's just part of life. Best to ignore it


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03 Jun 2024, 1:20 am

Also I think we have to be respectful of the fact that for some people with autism cliques have been a problem for them in life and so they might just naturally be on the look out for them

I think these people need to be made to feel safe and not stupid for thinking that this type of thing is going on

Denying that you're part of a clique or denying that they happen isn't enough to help them feel safe

And this is a support forum for people with autism


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03 Jun 2024, 1:29 am

what? :mrgreen: i want a rant but the same (clique) is having a total circle chat again

:D :D 8O :| :|