Get Rid of PE and Bullying In Schools

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07 Sep 2006, 6:23 am

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In most districts, they will tell you what occured but not why. If you look at death certificates, all they will say will be suicide (or the actual act such as a .22 slug in the head) for cause of death. No one will even speculate what caused the person to commit suicide. In fact, it would be interesting to see the contributing factors line for Eric Harris and Dylan Kliebold on their death certificate just to see if they did say anything.


yes now a days there is a paper trail a mile long to tell you why these kids did what they did.. emails, computer activity. it was the tell all to what they did... and a great deal of the students interviewed later told the police what kind of kids they were... they were the geeks being bullied.



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07 Sep 2006, 6:45 am

True, there was a paper trail but I would place any bet that is not what the death certificate said. Hell, the police tried to hid any information that would show that the school officials/police should have known all along what was going on until the FOIA requests came along and even then, they hid stuff hoping that people would never find out.


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16 Sep 2006, 10:04 pm

I realize I am a bit late to this thread. Also, I am far removed from a school environment, but my first question is how specifically are you defining bullying? When I was in school, our PE was very structured so there was scant opportunity for any actual physical bullying. Now, if you are talking about mocking behavior for less than average performance, that is another matter, but it was not considered bullying during my time. There are some ways to deal with it. My second question is what are some typical PE requirements and what are the issues that you find troubling...I was fortunate, physical activity was not a problem for me, so maybe I can offer some helpful tips to make yours live easier in this stressful environment.



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17 Sep 2006, 12:48 am

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Dodgeball was dangerous because it did permit someone with a chip on their shoulder to take it out on someone they disliked by slamming them in the head with a ball at full force. I never will forget 3rd grade on Friday the 13th in P.E. when a game of dodgeball resulted in head injuries to three classmates and blood all over the gymnasium floor. That was scary to watch and surprisingly I wasn't one of the ones targeted.


8O Wow, and I thought they were joking in South Park, when they had the kids gaining serious injuries from playing dodgeball.


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17 Sep 2006, 5:42 am

DaveB78 wrote:
I realize I am a bit late to this thread. Also, I am far removed from a school environment, but my first question is how specifically are you defining bullying? When I was in school, our PE was very structured so there was scant opportunity for any actual physical bullying. Now, if you are talking about mocking behavior for less than average performance, that is another matter, but it was not considered bullying during my time. There are some ways to deal with it. My second question is what are some typical PE requirements and what are the issues that you find troubling...I was fortunate, physical activity was not a problem for me, so maybe I can offer some helpful tips to make yours live easier in this stressful environment.



How long have you got?



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17 Sep 2006, 7:12 am

As long as you need.



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17 Sep 2006, 9:24 am

In reading the posts, I find that there are several themes that repeat: compulsory PE...I agree, it is not a good thing, but until it chnges, you are stuck with it so lets try to find some ways to make it less stressful. and Team sports.

Team Sports...Learn the rules! I can't stress this enough...you will be expected to know the basics of the game the rules spell that out.

Learn what the strategies and tactics of the game are...that is how is the game won or lost.

Tell your team mates that you are not the most gifted alhelite so they might have to pick up your slack, but always give you very best effort...they WILL notice...keep your attitude positive even when you feel discouraged by poor performance. Try to find one person to give you some special help outside of class.

Now for the hardest thing of all try to learn to not lose your cool...when people laugh at you or call you name disarm them with a smile...I know that is hard, it is for me too...bit it works...try to lear to have a sense of humor about yourself.

I am fully aware that everything I have said is MUCH easier said than done, but with practice and effort, you can reduce the discomfort you feel in the presence of others with more advanced physical skills...think for a moment that they might feel just as intimidated in an enviroment in which you excell...use that thought and don't let the taunts drive your actions or reactions.



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18 Sep 2006, 1:50 pm

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As long as you need.


Okay, kicking, punching,pencils/various equipment that fly (thrown at you), 'accidentaly' being bumped into and various other stuff I don't care to remember.

Whether name-calling is bullying or not is moot in my case, I can ignore. Can't ignore the physical stuff though.



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18 Sep 2006, 1:52 pm

DaveB78 wrote:
In reading the posts, I find that there are several themes that repeat: compulsory PE...I agree, it is not a good thing, but until it chnges, you are stuck with it so lets try to find some ways to make it less stressful. and Team sports.

Team Sports...Learn the rules! I can't stress this enough...you will be expected to know the basics of the game the rules spell that out.

Learn what the strategies and tactics of the game are...that is how is the game won or lost.

Tell your team mates that you are not the most gifted alhelite so they might have to pick up your slack, but always give you very best effort...they WILL notice...keep your attitude positive even when you feel discouraged by poor performance. Try to find one person to give you some special help outside of class.

Now for the hardest thing of all try to learn to not lose your cool...when people laugh at you or call you name disarm them with a smile...I know that is hard, it is for me too...bit it works...try to lear to have a sense of humor about yourself.

I am fully aware that everything I have said is MUCH easier said than done, but with practice and effort, you can reduce the discomfort you feel in the presence of others with more advanced physical skills...think for a moment that they might feel just as intimidated in an enviroment in which you excell...use that thought and don't let the taunts drive your actions or reactions.


Already tried that. It doesn't bloody work. In your case, maybe. It didn't in mine.



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18 Sep 2006, 2:08 pm

As I said, I am many years removed from the school room, but any physical attack is unacceptable. I always fought back. From what I have heard about the zero tolerance policies, it would seem that might not be a viable option now. So, coping and not exploding in anger is key...even if you do fight back...you can't fight effectively if all you feel is anger, it must be completely under control. It will as most things, boil down to a risk and reward analysis: if you fight back is the reward worth the risk. There are some things you can learn that will give you the techniques to effectively fight back...no, I will not teach them here...but if caught, is it worth the suspension or having to deal with the school officials...only you can decide.


Which part didn't work? Keeping your cool? Your team mates appreciating your effort? Specifically, which part did not work?



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18 Sep 2006, 2:21 pm

How many pencils and other things that have been thrown at you do you still have? If you have quite a few, get to school early one day set up a stand in an area where if anyone tries to cause trouble a teacher or someone of authority will see it. Have a sign offering to sell slighly used school supplies at a deep discount. Be humorous, label them as only used to terrorize geeky kid or some such language...it should make your point and put the staff on notice...be sure to have everything packed up and be ready for clasd before the bell rings. Try to think of other creative ways of bringing the issue to notice...use your talents, get the better of the bullies this way, since fighting back looks like a poor option.



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18 Sep 2006, 8:27 pm

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Get to school early one day set up a stand in an area where if anyone tries to cause trouble a teacher or someone of authority will see it. Have a sign offering to sell slighly used school supplies at a deep discount. Be humorous, label them as only used to terrorize geeky kid or some such language...it should make your point and put the staff on notice...

Um..., are you actually considering this? 8O :? If so, please don't do this. The staff won't see a victim of bullying; they'll only see someone sellings things on school property without permission. And you know how much school officials like to "restore order and discipline". :roll: Bullies won't get your joke; they'll just grab all the merchandise, and either run off with it or throw it right at you. Most importantly, given the fact that almost no one would do this sale thing, it might turn even some non-bullies against you. So if this wasn't a joke, I really think you shouldn't do this.



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18 Sep 2006, 8:46 pm

Are schools really that way these days? When I was there in the 60's if you wanted to set up any sort of thing like that, you just did it. Typically, in homeroom...maybe, some of you need to fill me in on what freedoms have been removed from students in the past 40 years...It was not meant to be as much a joke as an object lesson using humor.



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18 Sep 2006, 9:35 pm

Dave,

Many students rights have been eroded over the years in the quest for "safety" so the above poster is right in saying not to do that.


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18 Sep 2006, 9:56 pm

What is unsafe about a bit of student commerce? Maybe I am missing the reasoning, but why in the world would any school prohibit a student from selling his own property? If a permit is required request iit in such a way that here is no overt mention of the bulling issue, just a simple sale of surplus suplies as discount I am failing to see why this would be objectionable.



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DaveB78 wrote:
What is unsafe about a bit of student commerce? Maybe I am missing the reasoning, but why in the world would any school prohibit a student from selling his own property? If a permit is required request iit in such a way that here is no overt mention of the bulling issue, just a simple sale of surplus suplies as discount I am failing to see why this would be objectionable.


Because no business can be carried on in school unless authorized.