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02 May 2012, 3:03 pm

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Yeah I could even take prozac to speed up the process...and now that I know growing up is synonomous with becoming a burnt out drone that doesn't even care about anything at all I'm excited. :roll:

So that's why I'm comfortably numb! Because I'm a burnt out drone! :lol:


It seems like the effectiveness of antidepressants in doing anything is way overblown. I've taken most everything available and so far it's failed to change my personality or turn me into an unfeeling zombie. Sometimes I wish they really would do that. From my experience they might as well be expensive sugar pills with side effects that are much more noticeable than any major change in my mood. I still keep trying because they always say you just have to find the right combination. There are limits to what side effects I'm willing to tolerate for no noticeable improvement though.



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02 May 2012, 3:59 pm

Sorry for posting off topic Sweatleaf.

I read the topic because I was concerned but it's hard to give any deep advice right now as I'm having a rough time myself. If you can get a prescription for something like Xanax to take "as needed" you might be able to at least keep the anxiety under control for certain occasions. At least it's an older drug that's not prohibitively expensive, if you can just manage to get a prescription.



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02 May 2012, 4:18 pm

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Yeah I could even take prozac to speed up the process...and now that I know growing up is synonomous with becoming a burnt out drone that doesn't even care about anything at all I'm excited. :roll:

So that's why I'm comfortably numb! Because I'm a burnt out drone! :lol:


If that is what being a burnt out drone implies to you.....but I was more directing that like at myself like how would I knowingly do something to just not care anymore without feeling like a completely terrible person deep down inside? so that is probably what I would think of myself as if I did that. I was not calling anyone here a mindless drone.


I knew what you meant. I was just jerkin' your chain.

Oh, by the way, which one IS Pink?



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02 May 2012, 4:30 pm

[quote="Sweetleaf"]Maybe I can have one of my friends/family members call that potentially helpful mental health place I looked up.....If I can't, and trust me its pretty frusterating not being able to do something as simple as pick up a phone to scedule an appointment all because phones make me nervous in general and its very hard for me open up to someone I don't know about my issues especially over a phone and in person isn't much better. Also I could get a ride there maybe and that way I wouldn't have to go alone.

I'd call them for you. Of course, that would involve me getting your private information in order to set up the appointment, and you don't know who or what I am. I could be wearing one of those tracking things around my ankle and posting things from my darkened basement with my expansive machete collection hanging on the wall.

I think you can probably find a safer bet around where you live. You have people who care about you, I'm sure they would do it.

If you really don't have any alternatives there, you can send me a personal message with the phone number of the place. I can call them and report back what I find out.



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02 May 2012, 4:41 pm

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Sorry for posting off topic Sweatleaf.

I read the topic because I was concerned but it's hard to give any deep advice right now as I'm having a rough time myself. If you can get a prescription for something like Xanax to take "as needed" you might be able to at least keep the anxiety under control for certain occasions. At least it's an older drug that's not prohibitively expensive, if you can just manage to get a prescription.


maybe if I can scedule that appointment I could get a prescritption for something like that. So I'll try and do that it is possible I might have to have someone else call, but obviously I'd prefer to do it myself other then that. But yeah I've tried counseling and that really doesn't seem to help so hopefully they have more going on than counseling.


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02 May 2012, 4:51 pm

I'm sorry I wrote "Screw the downers." I should have put, "Forget the downers."

You really come off as blaming Society for all your troubles. This may be true, in part, but you are part of Society even if you don't like the part you play. Expecting humans to be anything different than what they are is futile. Blaming everyone else isn't the answer.

The only thing you can change is yourself and your attitude. It's pretty simple. I think you're making so much of it because you may be feeling overwhelmed. That's pretty standard.

I've spent time being depressed. I know what suicidal feels like. Please don't assume I don't know about the dark places. I know them all too well. What I do that's different from you is I refuse to waste one more second of my precious life dwelling on the negative. The best way to banish the darkness is to focus on the light. Since you are the master of your own mind, you can choose what you focus on. Why do you choose darkness?

You want to be someone else, like Ozzy Osborne. I remember Ozzy before he got that wild idea to bite the head off that pigeon. Things were hard for him and he acted out of desperation, but he's the one who changed his crappy life. Nobody was there to help him along until he stepped up and did what he did. It helped that he had talent to offer, but nobody just knows how to play a guitar; they work at it for years. What are you working at?

I've known a few rock stars in my time. I don't know why anyone would want to be one. About the only times they're happy is when they're on stage or drugged out of their skulls.


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02 May 2012, 4:56 pm

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Yeah I could even take prozac to speed up the process...and now that I know growing up is synonomous with becoming a burnt out drone that doesn't even care about anything at all I'm excited. :roll:

So that's why I'm comfortably numb! Because I'm a burnt out drone! :lol:


If that is what being a burnt out drone implies to you.....but I was more directing that like at myself like how would I knowingly do something to just not care anymore without feeling like a completely terrible person deep down inside? so that is probably what I would think of myself as if I did that. I was not calling anyone here a mindless drone.


I knew what you meant. I was just jerkin' your chain.

Oh, by the way, which one IS Pink?


Which member of Pink Floyd is the character based on? I would assume all of them....though a lot of the insanity was mostly referencing Syd Barret like the one scene where he shaves all his hair off is based on Syd Barret. But then there's a lot about Roger Waters and some references to other band members. But basically the character experiances some disturbing things and the plot basically follows how he deals with it and it doesn't leave the dark details out.


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02 May 2012, 4:56 pm

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That was what it was like when I took band in high school. Most of the musicians did not even want to talk with me. I guess it takes a long time to earn other peoples respect. Funny thing was that these same rude people treated me well and were friendly in other classes such as math. I think musicians are rude when they deal with their competitors.

When I write lyrics I am sort of a parakeet. I take an existing song and I improve the lyrics. I dare say I can actually bring out the true meaning of the song. This is because rock stars are so blinded by their wealth that the true meaning of their songs are buried in their subconscious.

Rock Stars are actually too specialized to really know what they are singing about. For example take the Pink Floyd song "Welcome to the Machine". I have modified this song to include a working description of a machine. This is because I know more about how machines work since I am not a musician.

I guess the question will be asked and that is "who am I to sabotage their sacred lyrics". But it all comes down to a willingness to share the art form. These rock poets no doubt were inspired by outside influences yet they are so offended if anyone dares to become inspired and ends up upstaging the original artist.


Maybe the original artists would like you to come up with something original of your own.


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02 May 2012, 5:17 pm

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I'm sorry I wrote "Screw the downers." I should have put, "Forget the downers."

You really come off as blaming Society for all your troubles. This may be true, in part, but you are part of Society even if you don't like the part you play. Expecting humans to be anything different than what they are is futile. Blaming everyone else isn't the answer.

Well I can't blame it all on society, but I can see how in a lot of ways it has contributed to my current state....but lucky for society, it doesn't get the blame for the PTSD. A psycho(not a student) with a gun that decided it was cool to come to school and shoot a student. Also there are teachers that bullied me as well as students, that does quite a lot of damage especially when you face it on a constant basis. Even once you graduate and its supposed to be all over the pain from it all remains. But then I suppose my genes share some blame as I probably had a genetic pre-disposition for some of these mental problems. Then the lack of oxegen at birth couldn't have been good.

The only thing you can change is yourself and your attitude. It's pretty simple. I think you're making so much of it because you may be feeling overwhelmed. That's pretty standard.

Yes I feel very overwhelmed, on edge and anxious...

I've spent time being depressed. I know what suicidal feels like. Please don't assume I don't know about the dark places. I know them all too well. What I do that's different from you is I refuse to waste one more second of my precious life dwelling on the negative. The best way to banish the darkness is to focus on the light. Since you are the master of your own mind, you can choose what you focus on. Why do you choose darkness?

I've been depressed for as long as I can remember.....but I won't assume you don't know about dark places. Also I don't know if you have PTSD but I tried not to dwell on it and just move on with my life and go to college when I was 19. But PTSD doesn't just go away if you ignore it in fact it can get worse. Also I guess I am struggling to see my life as all that precious and I don't really feel like I have a choice. I don't choose the darkness the darkness simply won't leave me alone.

You want to be someone else, like Ozzy Osborne. I remember Ozzy before he got that wild idea to bite the head off that pigeon. Things were hard for him and he acted out of desperation, but he's the one who changed his crappy life. Nobody was there to help him along until he stepped up and did what he did. It helped that he had talent to offer, but nobody just knows how to play a guitar; they work at it for years. What are you working at?

No I didn't mean I want to be like him as a person, I more meant being a vocalist for an awesome band like black sabbath. I am actually reading his biography so I know where he came from. But yeah I was trying to work at school......I graduated highschool then I went to college but the PTSD interferes with that so as much as I tried I failed and so now I am trying to get a job...though now I am thinking I might need help with some of this psychological crap before I try working....but of course I need income so I am not sure how to pull that off.

I've known a few rock stars in my time. I don't know why anyone would want to be one. About the only times they're happy is when they're on stage or drugged out of their skulls.


I don't know that I've been happy....some drugs cause euphoria though.


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02 May 2012, 5:33 pm

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I've spent time being depressed. I know what suicidal feels like. Please don't assume I don't know about the dark places. I know them all too well. What I do that's different from you is I refuse to waste one more second of my precious life dwelling on the negative. The best way to banish the darkness is to focus on the light. Since you are the master of your own mind, you can choose what you focus on. Why do you choose darkness?

If it's depression and PTSD it probably isn't just a choice and there's a difference between mild depression/anxiety and more severe forms. I think the attitude of blame the victim for not being able to miraculously recover by simply "philosophizing" their way out of a severe chemical imbalance is something that contributes to making things even worse. It doesn't matter how nice you try to say it, it's still blaming the victim. I mean, you could tell someone in pain due to cancer or some other illness to just stop choosing to focus on the pain, but somehow that's considered different. I don't think society is totally screwed, but I think some attitudes could change regarding mental illnesses. It's not exactly self-esteem building to experience hell and then be simultaneously told it's all your fault and your just bringing on yourself.



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02 May 2012, 5:39 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Yeah I could even take prozac to speed up the process...and now that I know growing up is synonomous with becoming a burnt out drone that doesn't even care about anything at all I'm excited. :roll:

So that's why I'm comfortably numb! Because I'm a burnt out drone! :lol:


If that is what being a burnt out drone implies to you.....but I was more directing that like at myself like how would I knowingly do something to just not care anymore without feeling like a completely terrible person deep down inside? so that is probably what I would think of myself as if I did that. I was not calling anyone here a mindless drone.


I knew what you meant. I was just jerkin' your chain.

Oh, by the way, which one IS Pink?


Which member of Pink Floyd is the character based on? I would assume all of them....though a lot of the insanity was mostly referencing Syd Barret like the one scene where he shaves all his hair off is based on Syd Barret. But then there's a lot about Roger Waters and some references to other band members. But basically the character experiances some disturbing things and the plot basically follows how he deals with it and it doesn't leave the dark details out.


I was actually quoting a line from one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs, Have a Cigar.

"The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think,
Oh, by the way, which one is Pink?"



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02 May 2012, 6:07 pm

Pink Floyd's "The Wall" pretty much slams the educational system. When I first heard it in high school my friends laughed and liked the rebellious nature of the song. But the song goes beyond the fantasy of a rebellious student. Are we really going to take the song seriously when it claims that our education system is a form of mind control? Most people are grateful for having an education because it gives them knowledge which brings opportunity.. But with knowledge comes a price and that price is indeed having your mind controlled by others. Teachers instill mind control by ridicule and constantly nit picking and finding fault with their students and humiliating their students by pointing out their mistakes. Thus teachers are like vipers. A student quickly learns that it is not imagination that is important but rather the ability to memorize information.



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02 May 2012, 6:17 pm

NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
NTAndrew wrote:
Yeah I could even take prozac to speed up the process...and now that I know growing up is synonomous with becoming a burnt out drone that doesn't even care about anything at all I'm excited. :roll:

So that's why I'm comfortably numb! Because I'm a burnt out drone! :lol:


If that is what being a burnt out drone implies to you.....but I was more directing that like at myself like how would I knowingly do something to just not care anymore without feeling like a completely terrible person deep down inside? so that is probably what I would think of myself as if I did that. I was not calling anyone here a mindless drone.


I knew what you meant. I was just jerkin' your chain.

Oh, by the way, which one IS Pink?


Which member of Pink Floyd is the character based on? I would assume all of them....though a lot of the insanity was mostly referencing Syd Barret like the one scene where he shaves all his hair off is based on Syd Barret. But then there's a lot about Roger Waters and some references to other band members. But basically the character experiances some disturbing things and the plot basically follows how he deals with it and it doesn't leave the dark details out.


I was actually quoting a line from one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs, Have a Cigar.

"The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think,
Oh, by the way, which one is Pink?"


Oh I see...lol the character in the movie The Wall goes by that name so thought you meant what member of the band is he supposed to portray.


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02 May 2012, 6:23 pm

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Pink Floyd's "The Wall" pretty much slams the educational system. When I first heard it in high school my friends laughed and liked the rebellious nature of the song. But the song goes beyond the fantasy of a rebellious student. Are we really going to take the song seriously when it claims that our education system is a form of mind control? Most people are grateful for having an education because it gives them knowledge which brings opportunity.. But with knowledge comes a price and that price is indeed having your mind controlled by others. Teachers instill mind control by ridicule and constantly nit picking and finding fault with their students and humiliating their students by pointing out their mistakes. Thus teachers are like vipers. A student quickly learns that it is not imagination that is important but rather the ability to memorize information.


I don't blame that song for slaming the educational system....school was not pleasent for me at all. I had teachers single me out in front of the other kids to make me feel bad and such. There are lots of problems with the educational system so I am in full agreement with that song. But they aren't litterally encouraging people to burn down their school....just showing how the education system is flawed and how it can affect someone. They aren't saying all teachers are that way or that education is bad...though I belive it is banned from being shown in highschools so many people miss the point and take it out of context.


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02 May 2012, 6:37 pm

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I've spent time being depressed. I know what suicidal feels like. Please don't assume I don't know about the dark places. I know them all too well. What I do that's different from you is I refuse to waste one more second of my precious life dwelling on the negative. The best way to banish the darkness is to focus on the light. Since you are the master of your own mind, you can choose what you focus on. Why do you choose darkness?

If it's depression and PTSD it probably isn't just a choice and there's a difference between mild depression/anxiety and more severe forms. I think the attitude of blame the victim for not being able to miraculously recover by simply "philosophizing" their way out of a severe chemical imbalance is something that contributes to making things even worse. It doesn't matter how nice you try to say it, it's still blaming the victim. I mean, you could tell someone in pain due to cancer or some other illness to just stop choosing to focus on the pain, but somehow that's considered different. I don't think society is totally screwed, but I think some attitudes could change regarding mental illnesses. It's not exactly self-esteem building to experience hell and then be simultaneously told it's all your fault and your just bringing on yourself.


Yeah its kind of hard to ignore....PTSD symptoms, they tend to kind of brutally come at you out of nowhere....and as much as you try and think it away its not going away, and you're in for the ride until your body goes back to its natural energy levels and such because it essentially wears me out. I had this problem earlier and now I am feeling quite burnt out. But yeah I can't say I want people who don't have that to know what its like, its absolutely terrible but it would be nice if people had a better understanding of how much mental issues really can interfere with life.


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02 May 2012, 7:07 pm

Oh, by the way, which one IS Pink?[/i][/quote]

Which member of Pink Floyd is the character based on? I would assume all of them....though a lot of the insanity was mostly referencing Syd Barret like the one scene where he shaves all his hair off is based on Syd Barret. But then there's a lot about Roger Waters and some references to other band members. But basically the character experiances some disturbing things and the plot basically follows how he deals with it and it doesn't leave the dark details out.[/quote]

I was actually quoting a line from one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs, Have a Cigar.

"The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think,
Oh, by the way, which one is Pink?"
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Oh I see...lol the character in the movie The Wall goes by that name so thought you meant what member of the band is he supposed to portray.[/quote]

I never saw that movie. One of these days...