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Correct.

The MPs however will be doing deals and cashing in on the crisis, for their own personal gain.

Of course it’s temporary. No pandemic has lasted forever.

Even the AIDS pandemic - while there is no vaccine for HIV, there are preventative medicines as well as methods of avoiding contracting it And extremely effective treatments for those who do contract the virus these days compared to the AIDS epidemic of the 1980’s-1990’s before doctors & researchers understood the disease and how to treat it.

A DECADE OR TWO?? No, not likely. Doctors and researchers have all sorts of tools today that didn’t exist in the 1980’s - like super computers that have been used already to analyze and hypothesize the probable pathology of COVID-19 so that they can pinpoint areas of medicine to focus on in terms of treatments.

Sure, this isn’t going to just go away in a matter of a few weeks, But, like every other new disease amongst humans, the worst of it is only temporary and the mitigation measures we have to take against it will eventually ease up and life will begin to normalize again just as it did after the bubonic plague and Spanish Flu etc.

So, any job you have to take in the meantime will Also only be temporary. Things will reopen again. People like their routines and will want to go back to them as soon as is safely possible - including their regular bus trips. Just be patient and wait and see.

It just seems that this will last forever. It's just that this is a new coronavirus, but other coronaviruses exist, such as the common cold. There is no cure for the common cold (sadly), no vaccine for it and not really any medicines either (I've took cold and flu remedies before but it didn't get rid of the cold, it just eased the aching). You've just got to ride it out. So if they can't come up with a vaccine or preventable remedies for the common cold coronavirus then will they be able to come up with any vaccines or effective remedies for the COVID-19 coronavirus? And it's the same with norovirus. It's every emetophobe's dream that there'll be a vaccine or some other prevention of the norovirus (which can be deadly in the elderly), but they haven't seemed to have come up with a cure for that either.



Effective treatments that can prevent damage or at least lessen the symptoms and giving people a much more promising chance of surviving and recovering is better than nothing. But the way the media goes on about it they sound like a vaccine is the only way out.



This is what I always thought. I remember a conversation I had with my boyfriend about 2 years ago, we were talking about the Spanish Flu, and I said, "how come we don't have these global virus pandemics these days?" and he said, "because we have more medical knowledge and scientific technology now so we are able to keep anything like that under control before it kills." I just thought pandemics like this were a thing of the past like.... building cottages, or something.



It's the way the media words everything. It's like they're trying to imply that if a vaccine is not successful then we are all doomed because of immunity to the virus only lasting a limited time before the virus becomes completely unfamiliar to the immune system again, causing everyone to be at the same risk again as what we were before.



I hope you are right. Everyone's saying that this pandemic is going to kill lots of industries, shopping malls, and other businesses, and that everyone's going to become used to online shopping. This scares me, but at the same time I do try to think about this rationally. As soon as the pandemic is over and it is safe to be free again, lots of people are going to want to catch up on all the socialising they have missed out on, which means good news for bars and restaurants. Lots of people are going to want to go abroad on vacation, which will be good news for the airline businesses. Lots of people are going to welcome their freedom back and will want to go out to the shopping malls. That's what I try and tell myself.

The common cold isn’t anywhere near as lethal as SARS-COV-2/COVID-19, so there has never been the level of resources poured into developing a vaccine for it..C-19 is a different animal, hence the entire world racing to develop better therapeutics & an effective vaccine. Literally no country or pharmaceutical company is going to devote $Billion$ to a common cold vaccine because it isn’t really all that necessary. But necessity breeds invention and the world needs better solutions to Covid, so the race is on.

I don't think covid will ever end as a pandemic, just as the flu has always been a pandemic.
But eventually it will stop being treated as a major crisis.

Right now they are waiting to see what happens in the next four months.
To see if there's going to be a big spike in deaths attributed to covid.

I expect by June (barring something unforeseen) that things will have gotten back to normal, or at least getting back to normal and moving away from covid crisis dominating the world.

Some things and some businesses will probably never recover and there are going to be changes.
Things will be more online from now on, which is where things were headed even before this started.

Maybe I'm just cynical, but I was kinda thinking that the activists who posit that this Earth is overpopulated have thought about that.
And cheered.

I watched a video on Facebook of a professional and experienced doctor in America talking about the vaccine for COVID is filled with some sort of whatever it is that can make everybody be watched by tracking down their DNA and linking it all up to computer systems so that the whole world can become one, big dictatorship with no privacy or freedom. And that they're going to force everyone to have this vaccine by scaremongering how severely deadly COVID is.

I would share it here but I don't know how to, as someone had sent it to me on Facebook and it said something like "send to as many people as you can before it gets taken down" or something like that.
The doctor spent the first 3 or 4 minutes of the video explaining how experienced and professional she was and that she had appeared on 3 or 4 different TV shows and has a very high medical degree, etc.

Does this sound like BS to you? I hope it is BS.

Very much. It would require massive conspiracy and sci-fi technology.
Spying on every citizen is much easier and more efficient using phones and social media, so this project, even if possible, would not be worth its cost.

This.

The person may in fact be an actual medical doctor, and maybe not, but they’re still spewing crazy nonsense conspiracy theory crap. No credible doctor is going to get such a message out to the masses by asking people to forward a Facebook video.. it’s BS.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020 ... qmVFrqcDis

I found this link that is what the video is about. I didn't get to read it all, but it said something about it being more fake news.

Mods can remove this link if it is breaking any WP rules, but I just wanted members like Goldfish to read this so I can be reassured that it is BS.

I don't think there's anything sinister about the vaccine itself, but there are huge amounts of money involved. I ask myself these questions.

If scientists don't agree, the governments are choosing which scientists to listen to. Which scientists have more to gain/lose?
Are scientists and politicians taking bribes?
We know which scientists the government listen to, should we the public trust the same one's?
Most people were already immune enough for Covid-19 due to other common coronaviruses (hence no or little symptons). Do enough people who were not immune this time last year, now have that immunity?
Would it be in the government's interest to declare the pandemic over before a vaccine is available?

Personally, I think the vaccine will be a complete waste of time unless you happen to benefit from it financially.

Whaaaat?

There is Zero evidence that having already contracted other coronaviruses creates any immunity to SARS-COV-2. Cite your source(s). That’s Also why vaccines against other coronaviruses won’t work.

From many different articles I’ve read, exactly Zero of them have said any of this. The explanation for some people being asymptomatic or having a very mild reaction vs those who have a strong immune response with severe symptoms has been that doctors & researchers believe that the severity of the COVID-19 illness is dose dependant - they believe it depends on the amount of active virus cells you inhale/ingest/are exposed to. So, someone who is coughed on right in their face by someone who is in the highly infectious & contagious stage is more likely to inhale a high quantity of virus cells and in turn have a severe immune response & symptoms. Whereas someone who is wearing a mask who contracts the virus from someone who is Also wearing a mask and keeping some distance from them will be way more likely to be asymptomatic because not very many virus cells get exhaled passed the spreader’s mask, and only some of them make it passed the newly infected’s mask, so with such a low dose they have zero to mild symptoms - but - their body still produces an immune response and antibodies thus creating at least some temporary immunity just like anyone who’s gotten sick from it.

I read one article that hypothesized that widespread mask wearing may be responsible for causing asymptomatic spread of covid-19 & essentially is acting like a vaccine as more and more people catch ultra low doses that trigger antibody production. All the more reason for everyone to mask up, at least indoors anyways. (This hypothesis kind of makes me wonder why we Need an injectable vaccine.. why can’t they just expose people to very low metered doses of the actual virus in aerosol form and let our bodies do their thing and create antibodies against the various strains? Too difficult to meter doses of actual virus cells? Hmm)

Anyways, literally nothing I have read has said any of what you’ve written above - and I’ve read quite a lot.

I didn’t read every word, but this link essentially debunks those conspiracy theory memes as total bs designed to get people all riled up, anxious, and fearful even though the Bill Gates/Microsoft patent applications don’t even say anything about most of the stuff the memes are about. It’s all bs from a bunch of tinfoil hat wearers who haven’t bothered to read or learn anything - just straight up spreading nonsense and fear for no particular reason other than they want people to believe that Bill Gates and governments are some kind of boogeyman trying to get them.

Apologies if someone has pointed this out already, but the Spanish Flu burnt itself out in 1920 having infected a third of the world's population (500m people) in four waves, and killed at least 17m people, probably a lot more.

Quite how this "proves" lockdowns are an over-reaction is beyond me.

Even with the worst case scenario of this being a semi-permanent feature and us turning into a society of relative shut ins and all sorts of health screening redundancies - we'd get better at working our way around it. The biggest losers in this - people who need human touch, there'd be a fair amount less of that. Enough to say that life's not worth living? I think that's underrating the power of an 'I' experience and what can be done with it, which IMHO only becomes arguably not worth living if it's in direct anguish - boredom and loneliness don't quite cut it.

This news has posted on KCTV. That Pfizer has demonstrated a vaccine that is 99% a sure thing against
Covid virus .