I've been offered the COVID vaccine

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It is the vaccine that you only get one dose of that has the risk of blood clots, but the other two that you need two shots for don't carry that risk and are more effective than that one. So just make sure and get one of the double dose ones...but do not get it in your dominant arm if you are left handed get it in you right arm, if you are right handed get it in your left arm. I thought it would just cause a little pain a the site like a flu vaccine, so I got it in my right arm because I didn't think it would matter but yeah my whole arm was sore for a couple days so for sure I will get my second dose in the left arm.

It did not make me throw up at all, one day soon after I felt a little sickish and ended up sleeping half the day but other than that I didn't get any super bad side effects, just a sore arm and one day of my body feeling like it was fighting something off so I just kinda slept it off. Never felt like I had to throw up though I guess I may have felt a tiny bit of nausea but not enough to vomit.

That said I realise you have a phobia but, well there are worse things than a bit of vomit....I mean if the choice is maybe getting an urge to throw up vs full on getting covid I for sure would take the former phobia or not, but that said quite a good chance it won't make you vomit. I mean it probably does have a tiny chance of causing vomiting but I did not get that effect and neither did my boyfriend or my mom she got hers to and I asked her if she had any side effects and she didn't really either except for also a sore arm, so certainly a good chance you also won't experience that from the vaccine.

Yes, we have those biases, this is not paradox or secret. It ensured our survival, but now they get in the way of making rational choices. For this reason I always try to change narrative or use formal math when assess risks instead of trusting my guts.

Latest studies are apparently telling us that the vaccine is very effective in reducing symptoms in younger and healthy people and less effective in reducing symptoms in the frail and elderly (or those with underlying health conditions) to the point that people in the latter group are still turning up at hospitals and in some cases dying. Which you would expect, the vaccine isn't a magical elixir for eternal life. For the very ill and very frail, the vaccine will not always be enough to defeat the disease.

So this would mean the people who would have most likely had mild symptoms will now have even milder symptoms if vaccinated, whilst those that could have faced life threatening symptoms pre-vaccination will continue to be in danger (be that reduced or not) if they are vaccinated and therefore, they will still need to be protected. This would be the most sensible reason for continuing to be cautious and persist in attempts to eradicate the virus.

OK fine, presumably nobody from either side of the debate is going to take issue with this so far.

From the World Economic Forum website.....
"Vaccines can prevent you from getting sick, but don't necessarily stop you from getting infected or spreading the germ."

So if we accept that you can spread the virus even if you have no apparent symptoms, vaccinated or not, there is a problem.

It stands to reason that the more obvious your symptoms are, the more likely you are to isolate and the more obvious it is to others that you should be avoided. It also stands to reason that vaccinated people are far more likely to mix with other people and more often and to believe they are of no risk to anybody else as well as being less likely to notice if they have any symptoms, offsetting the decrease in their likelihood of transmission (assuming being vaccinated can reduce transmission).

Therefore, logically, it is inevitable that vaccinated people will become the more likely group among the adult population to spread the virus and be a danger to other people.

Of those in danger, the vaccinated frail and elderly are more likely to come into contact with the healthy vaccinated who may be infected and still able to pass on the disease.

The figures speak for themselves:

More 1,000 cases a day in Queens County in March, out of about 20,000 - 25,000 tested.

More than 1,000 cases a day for about 4 months previous to March.

Less than 100 cases a day most days in late May (there were 102 positives out of 19,189 tests on Friday, May 28th).

It is certain that folks taking the vaccines is what’s lead to this decline in cases. The vaccines are preventing many cases of COVID from happening.

If only vaccines can lead to a decline in cases, they would have consistently risen exponentially from the day the virus first appeared until the day vaccines were introduced. You would be implying that seasonal conditions (sunlight, vitamin D), people spending more time outdoors than indoors in spring than winter, opening windows, restrictions, lockdowns, masks, social distancing had no effect.

Some of the most respected scientists are insisting vaccinations will prolong the pandemic by encouraging the virus to mutate - Which would be a total disaster. I'm not saying this will be the case, I've no idea. But it's way too early to tell if vaccines are helping or indeed making the problem worse.

No. I wouldn’t be implying all that at all.

Rather, I’m speaking of the acceleration of the decline in COVID cases as primarily a function of vaccine administration.

There was a vast increase, actually, in COVID cases in the South and Southwest of the United States during Summer, 2020. When windows are open, weather is warm, people spend more time outdoors, Vitamin D, etc.

California, mostly, has a very mild climate year-round.

Los Angeles County, in California, has had about 1.2 million cases of COVID, with about 24,000 deaths; and California as a whole has had about 3.8 million cases, with about 63,000 deaths.

With vaccinations, the COVID rate has gone down even more drastically in California than it has gone down in New York.

Figures are all well and good but if you're still under restrictions, as we are here, then they are effectively meaningless. We're constantly being bombarded with good news graphs and numbers in the UK and we're told what an amazing success vaccines have been and yet we're being warned to expect restrictions to remain in place beyond June and to worry about the latest variant.

I don't pay too much attention to what's happening in the USA or other countries, but Texas appears to have gone back to normal, Florida as well. So maybe they've got it right and there is a lesson to be learned from them, but at what point can you really declare it's over when surrounding areas or other countries are still struggling including those with the highest vaccination rates per person?

I thought most restrictions were lifted in the UK as of May 17th. And all restrictions by June 21st.

We, in NYC, still must wear masks in public transport, even if vaccinated. Most stores still require masks for admission. Most people still wear masks in the street.

Restrictions were eased in May but people are still expected to work from home if they can or get paid their salary to stay at home doing nothing, we still have to wear masks in all stores and on public transport, sport events are restricted to around 10% capacity with distancing, school children are sent home for a week if they are in the same class seating plan area or friend group as somebody who tests positive. There are also arbitrary rules for social gatherings in terms of numbers and households involved. Happily, wearing masks outside has never really caught on here.

June 21st was supposed to be Freedom day, but that's looking increasingly under threat. There was another protest march in London yesterday, some of these are huge - there were thousands outside the BBC (our state propaganda tool) a few weeks ago, but the media largely refuse to acknowledge that these protests are happening. There is only one radio station that will allow presenters and guests to question the government narrative and their decision making to any meaningful degree.

If it all does come to end, many are fearing massive inflation rates and all of the problems that will go with it.

I get what you are feeling. I can see how all this might be interpreted as overreaching by government. That individual liberty is threatened. That the vaccines are relatively new more research needs to be done.

I am of the opinion that vaccination is essential in order for things to get back to normal. That there’s no “chip” in the vaccines. That there will be side effects but that the benefits outweigh the potential harm from side effects.

A "chip" deliverable by tiny injection needles is not really within currently functional technology. When governments want to spy on their citizens, they can affordably do it with smartphones, Internet providers and, in particular, social media that give handy and elegant tools for profiling people. These technologies exist and they are used - not just by your government.

So, if you don't want to be spied on - or at least to make it less than trivial - delete your f-book account and downgrade your phone first.

It's science, though. It's not about "feeling," it's safe after x-time frame. It's about Knowing it's safe after studies and careful monitoring of people who've had it.. which is why the severe side effects of each vaccine are known and what their frequencies are. WAY WAY FEWER people get severe side effects, blot clots, or die from vaccines than get severe or lethal Covid. That's the whole point. Math. Vaccines > getting Covid. That's why people are opting to get their jabs.

Even w/o a super high death rate, Covid has a high rate of causing permanent organ damage to lungs, kidneys, hearts etc. Not worth chancing that when a vaccine is available and offered. IMO. Hence getting my first Moderna shot at the earliest possible date I could.

I wonder if there should be a date by which taxpayers are no longer on the hook to pay for Covid treatments for people who choose not to get vaccinated and allow Covid to circulate amongst themselves?

There are ideas like this but I'm not sure if any country would actually introduce it.
Not getting quarantined after a contact with a person who tested positive is practical enough for me to plan on getting my children vaccinated once the shots are available for their age group. Even if the whole class goes to remote, they'll be able to spend their free time meeting people.
And, on the broader level: without vaccinating children, schools are virus reservoirs for further mutations.

Well people with smoking-related illnesses get treated in hospitals, and those are self-inflicted.


By the way I heard that 100,000 people have died from the vaccine in Europe. Is this true?

Where did you read this nonsense? You have got to be kidding me!

Over 100,000 people have died from COVID in the European countries of UK, France, Russia, and Italy.

Only thing I got from it was sore arm where I was poked and it felt like I had sore muscles. I also got very tired the second dose and I slept a lot.