Framework for Care of Upset Person
I never said that.
What you are saying is nonsense. It can't go against psychology just like chemistry can't go against fine arts. Or physics can't go against interpretative dance.
No, consistently challenging false beliefs of hopelessness of a distressed person is the only way to really help this person. Making person feel bad about their life choices instead of something beyond their control is giving this person internal locus of control and hope. This is not victim blaming, basically the opposite of it.
You are using surface level awareness of these concepts without real understanding.
No, consistently challenging false beliefs of hopelessness of a distressed person is the only way to really help this person. Making person feel bad about their life choices instead of something beyond their control is giving this person internal locus of control and hope.
This is exactly the part against the mainstream psychology.
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No, consistently challenging false beliefs of hopelessness of a distressed person is the only way to really help this person. Making person feel bad about their life choices instead of something beyond their control is giving this person internal locus of control and hope.
This is exactly the part against the mainstream psychology.
No. This is the part of mainstream psychology I agree the most, this is what CBT is all about.
Are you a trained CBT therapist who knows correct implementation, strengths and limitations of this method?
Hint: easily googlable limitation of CBT is that the patient needs to commit to the therapy first.
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Are you a trained CBT therapist who knows correct implementation, strengths and limitations of this method?
Unless you are you shouldn't be implementing those therapies, certainly not unless someone has hired you and consented to them. No one needs to be a trained CBT therapist to tell you that attempting to practice on patients who haven't consented isn't ethical.
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Thanks for posting your list of care recommendations, FXE. I think it sounds helpful and I'm glad Cornflake has incorporated it. I agree that different strategies work for different people. For example, I don't respond to physical exercise or going outside, and in fact that makes my anxiety worse. I'm diagnosed with Agoraphobia and Scopophobia with panic attacks, as well as Photophobia (extreme sensitivity to daylight which can make me physically ill, and always makes me shut down for a few days' recovery afterward). I do best in safe places indoors where I can cocoon and manage my own sensory environment.
Likewise CBT does NOT work for me. It actually makes my depression / anxiety / trauma worse. CBT is proven to be a less-effective treatment approach for people on the spectrum than other forms of therapeutic intervention, although of course some people do respond well to it if they've made a strong and trusting connection with their therapist.
Thanks again for posting, funeralx.
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It does seem a little ironic that BR seems upset and the methodology at the beginning of the Topic isn't being used, and that a conversation about caring turns into a fight.
As someone who doesn't get a lot of time to spend on here and doesn't have history with anyone I'm disappointed by how the conversation is going.
BR, you do come off as passionate, and also antagonistic (at least in this thread). I get that you have some strongly held views that make perfect sense to you and that you have thought about a lot. I happen to be quite interested in diet, exercise, hormones, receptors, etc. currently. However, I can't think what outcome you're trying to achieve though. If it is to change people's minds and have them agree with you, then a perceived aggressive approach is unlikely to have that effect. If it is to win a conversation and be right, well, I'm not sure there's much value in that, even if it were possible. If you're seeking validation for your perspective, well, putting it out there is ok but maybe people just don't agree with you, or don't understand it and don't care to. Text can be an amazing communication mechanism but rarely when someone is angry. Repeating the same message/argument in slightly different ways doesn't usually change anyone's mind either; not pleasantly. A super technical and hard to read/understand perspective isn't useful either. I know I wouldn't be able to have a specific in depth discussion about brain chemistry and depression and how it may or may not might be changed in specific ways by doing specific things. Just because I couldn't do that doesn't make me an idiot. You might be right, you might be wrong, how would I know? Also, what works for one person doesn't universally have the same effect for everyone. Things are complicated and I personally distrust anyone who 'has the answer' and doesn't approach a conversation with the humility that they might be wrong. I get that you're upset how you've been treated. What outcome do you expect/want the way you've been going about the conversation to have? I hope you don't feel attacked by what I've written; I'm genuinely confused by your behaviour and how it is likely to end in a positive outcome. Is it that this conversation is a hangover from some other conversation that has upset you previously? As I said, I'm confused.
It's quite clear that some people are annoyed by BR and his views and the way he goes about expressing them. You could just ignore BR. Nobody is forcing you to reply, agree, or engage with him in any way. Some of the behaviour has fed the flames as it were and seems as though it was intended to score points. Just seems a pointless waste of time, bandwidth, and storage.
This message is probably a waste of time too. I'd just like to ask everyone feeling irate to check yourselves.
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Likewise CBT does NOT work for me. It actually makes my depression / anxiety / trauma worse. CBT is proven to be a less-effective treatment approach for people on the spectrum than other forms of therapeutic intervention, although of course some people do respond well to it if they've made a strong and trusting connection with their therapist.
Thanks again for posting, funeralx.
You're welcome and that you for bringing up the bolded parts that help further establish that a one-size fits all approach isn't suited for this community.
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I don't do CBT so I don't need to be trained on it.
I believe those who wrote this are specialists on it. Challenging patient's beliefs happen in safe, structured settings and require patient's cooperation before they start.
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As someone who doesn't get a lot of time to spend on here and doesn't have history with anyone I'm disappointed by how the conversation is going.
BR, you do come off as passionate, and also antagonistic (at least in this thread). I get that you have some strongly held views that make perfect sense to you and that you have thought about a lot. I happen to be quite interested in diet, exercise, hormones, receptors, etc. currently. However, I can't think what outcome you're trying to achieve though. If it is to change people's minds and have them agree with you, then a perceived aggressive approach is unlikely to have that effect. If it is to win a conversation and be right, well, I'm not sure there's much value in that, even if it were possible. If you're seeking validation for your perspective, well, putting it out there is ok but maybe people just don't agree with you, or don't understand it and don't care to. Text can be an amazing communication mechanism but rarely when someone is angry. Repeating the same message/argument in slightly different ways doesn't usually change anyone's mind either; not pleasantly. A super technical and hard to read/understand perspective isn't useful either. I know I wouldn't be able to have a specific in depth discussion about brain chemistry and depression and how it may or may not might be changed in specific ways by doing specific things. Just because I couldn't do that doesn't make me an idiot. You might be right, you might be wrong, how would I know? Also, what works for one person doesn't universally have the same effect for everyone. Things are complicated and I personally distrust anyone who 'has the answer' and doesn't approach a conversation with the humility that they might be wrong. I get that you're upset how you've been treated. What outcome do you expect/want the way you've been going about the conversation to have? I hope you don't feel attacked by what I've written; I'm genuinely confused by your behaviour and how it is likely to end in a positive outcome. Is it that this conversation is a hangover from some other conversation that has upset you previously? As I said, I'm confused.
It's quite clear that some people are annoyed by BR and his views and the way he goes about expressing them. You could just ignore BR. Nobody is forcing you to reply, agree, or engage with him in any way. Some of the behaviour has fed the flames as it were and seems as though it was intended to score points. Just seems a pointless waste of time, bandwidth, and storage.
This message is probably a waste of time too. I'd just like to ask everyone feeling irate to check yourselves.
The problem is that the poster has a long history of taking that same antagonistic approach to other posters who are in crisis and upon return from discipline over that behaviour the first thing they do is immediately start up those fights again.
It seems rules are being adjusted to further discourage that behaviour after conversation on how to improve things but that conversation has been interrupted by that poster wanting to refight a battle over whether or not their abusive behaviour is tolerated, they've already received the answer and that answer is no.
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It's gonna take awhile to get used to whether it's a blanket ban or has leeway. I wonder if it's an option to turn them off server-side instead of relying on peoples memories?
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That's a question to Cornflake.
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