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14 Aug 2009, 7:53 am

Warning! Heavy thoughts.

I'm sort of glad I don't live in the US these days because if I did I would own guns.

If I owned guns I probably would have shot myself by now out of the despair that we all know.

But.. when I think of offing myself I know I am "free". I have nothing to lose.

Imagine this: You need a heart transplant but your medical insurer refused the operation. So you find the sucker who made the decision and blow him away. "You kill me I kill you"

Some SOB has driven you out of business and laughs at you.

A crooked cop or judge has sent you to jail for 20 years for a crime you didn't commit.

You are 25 years old so you find the pedophile priest who molested you when you were a ten year old alter boy.

Your ex-wife lied and said you molested your children so that she could get custody and all your money.

So if you have nothing left to lose then why not "lose it" and take the bastards with you?



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14 Aug 2009, 8:24 am

Because of this, from Walt Whitman's Leaves of Grass, which is true:

The song is to the singer, and comes back most to him;
The teaching is to the teacher, and comes back most to him; 85
The murder is to the murderer, and comes back most to him;
The theft is to the thief, and comes back most to him;
The love is to the lover, and comes back most to him;
The gift is to the giver, and comes back most to him—it cannot fail;
The oration is to the orator, the acting is to the actor and actress, not to the audience; 90
And no man understands any greatness or goodness but his own, or the indication of his own.



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14 Aug 2009, 8:59 am

A better revenge would be to live a successful life.



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14 Aug 2009, 10:36 am

Wombat wrote:
Warning! Heavy thoughts.

I'm sort of glad I don't live in the US these days because if I did I would own guns.

If I owned guns I probably would have shot myself by now out of the despair that we all know.

But.. when I think of offing myself I know I am "free". I have nothing to lose.

Imagine this: You need a heart transplant but your medical insurer refused the operation. So you find the sucker who made the decision and blow him away. "You kill me I kill you"

Some SOB has driven you out of business and laughs at you.

A crooked cop or judge has sent you to jail for 20 years for a crime you didn't commit.

You are 25 years old so you find the pedophile priest who molested you when you were a ten year old alter boy.

Your ex-wife lied and said you molested your children so that she could get custody and all your money.

So if you have nothing left to lose then why not "lose it" and take the bastards with you?


I'm surprised that what you are talking about (people going on shooting rampages) does not happen more often. Even when it does, in many cases, the wrong people are targetted. There are plenty of nasty people who are in government and have power over others, and if they were targetted, other nasty people might think twice about screwing up other people's lives.


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14 Aug 2009, 10:37 am

That's a really positive way of looking at things Lene.

Tempting as it is there's nothing to be gained from ending it all.

It's just so hard :cry:



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14 Aug 2009, 12:33 pm

Lene wrote:
A better revenge would be to live a successful life.


Agreed. Getting revenge is just sinking to their level.



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14 Aug 2009, 12:36 pm

barbedlotus wrote:
Lene wrote:
A better revenge would be to live a successful life.


Agreed. Getting revenge is just sinking to their level.


It depends on the type of revenge and who is targetted. Sometimes living a successful life is impossible after being wronged, otherwise, I would agree.


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14 Aug 2009, 1:11 pm

Killing yourself is not a good way to get revenge. If you feel the urge to get back at someone then killing yourself will prevent you enjoying watching the results of your handiwork.

If you very badly want to make people who messed you around get upset and fume, then oftein the best way is to live a honest, decent and successful life where you are having a good time. If someone has tried to mess up your life out of spite then seeing how their efforts have failed so badly will be likely to upset them.


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14 Aug 2009, 1:17 pm

when will it END?

i keep telling people, death is not another place

you cant reside IN death, and relish in your revenge, you cant rest in death, you cant lay back and take a breather cus DEAD PEOPLE DONT BREATHE.

THEY ARE DEAD.

so... now ive said it again, and in a week from noe some idiot will come along, and tell everyone what an awesome idea suicide is, cus you can relax when your dead, and laugh at the losers.

okay, just for writing that, im gonna make sure nobody gets the wrong idea: no, you can not laugh at losers when your dead, cus dead people cant laugh. sigh...


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14 Aug 2009, 1:34 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
when will it END?
i keep telling people, death is not another place
you cant reside IN death, and relish in your revenge, you cant rest in death, you cant lay back and take a breather cus DEAD PEOPLE DONT BREATHE.
THEY ARE DEAD.
so... now ive said it again, and in a week from noe some idiot will come along, and tell everyone what an awesome idea suicide is, cus you can relax when your dead, and laugh at the losers.
okay, just for writing that, im gonna make sure nobody gets the wrong idea: no, you can not laugh at losers when your dead, cus dead people cant laugh. sigh...


Dead BODIES can't laugh. Having never been dead, you cannot know what disembodied minds may or may not be able to do.



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14 Aug 2009, 1:38 pm

Willard wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
when will it END?
i keep telling people, death is not another place
you cant reside IN death, and relish in your revenge, you cant rest in death, you cant lay back and take a breather cus DEAD PEOPLE DONT BREATHE.
THEY ARE DEAD.
so... now ive said it again, and in a week from noe some idiot will come along, and tell everyone what an awesome idea suicide is, cus you can relax when your dead, and laugh at the losers.
okay, just for writing that, im gonna make sure nobody gets the wrong idea: no, you can not laugh at losers when your dead, cus dead people cant laugh. sigh...


Dead BODIES can't laugh. Having never been dead, you cannot know what disembodied minds may or may not be able to do.


YES
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CAN

having never been a monkey, i know they cannot pilot jet fighters.

having never been dead, i know dead people cant laugh.

"disembodied minds" you just made that up.
dont confuse reality w stuff you just made up.


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14 Aug 2009, 2:20 pm

Woodpecker wrote:
Killing yourself is not a good way to get revenge. If you feel the urge to get back at someone then killing yourself will prevent you enjoying watching the results of your handiwork.

If you very badly want to make people who messed you around get upset and fume, then oftein the best way is to live a honest, decent and successful life where you are having a good time. If someone has tried to mess up your life out of spite then seeing how their efforts have failed so badly will be likely to upset them.


I agree. When it is possible to lead a successful life after being screwed over, it is best to do so. I also don't agree that suicide in and of itself is a revenge at all.


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15 Aug 2009, 12:55 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
Willard wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
when will it END?
i keep telling people, death is not another place
you cant reside IN death, and relish in your revenge, you cant rest in death, you cant lay back and take a breather cus DEAD PEOPLE DONT BREATHE.
THEY ARE DEAD.
so... now ive said it again, and in a week from noe some idiot will come along, and tell everyone what an awesome idea suicide is, cus you can relax when your dead, and laugh at the losers.
okay, just for writing that, im gonna make sure nobody gets the wrong idea: no, you can not laugh at losers when your dead, cus dead people cant laugh. sigh...


Dead BODIES can't laugh. Having never been dead, you cannot know what disembodied minds may or may not be able to do.


YES
I
CAN

having never been a monkey, i know they cannot pilot jet fighters.

having never been dead, i know dead people cant laugh.

"disembodied minds" you just made that up.
dont confuse reality w stuff you just made up.


No, you simply choose to believe that I made it up because antagonism suits your personality (just as atheists choose to believe there can be no God, but can't prove it - it's an act of faith). Your choice to disbelieve does not determine truth. Are you so certain that a monkey could never be trained to pilot a jet fighter? You learned to use a keyboard. :tongue: