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06 Jun 2009, 8:10 am

In the middle of a fight. We misunderstood each other for a long time. I was reading his lines, he was reading in between mine. Now we find out I should have been reading in between, and he should have been reading what I said.


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06 Jun 2009, 11:00 am

I don't think you meant to be funny, but this cracked me up, not to mention described my conundrums perfectly. :lol: I've been accused of so many off the wall motivations by people who read between the lines and completely missed the message by my straight-forward take on what someone said, did. It's so mixed up, it's like a bad spy show. 8)



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06 Jun 2009, 11:10 am

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I don't think you meant to be funny, but this cracked me up, not to mention described my conundrums perfectly. :lol: I've been accused of so many off the wall motivations by people who read between the lines and completely missed the message by my straight-forward take on what someone said, did. It's so mixed up, it's like a bad spy show. 8)


this explains my thoughts quite well.. it's as though all conversations are, in fact, two conversations or more.

if i said to you "the wind blows from the east at this time of year" you would say...? :lol:



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06 Jun 2009, 11:18 am

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if i said to you "the wind blows from the east at this time of year" you would say...?


"How DARE you!! !" and stomp off in a blue-faced snit.

:lol:



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06 Jun 2009, 11:33 am

lol good answer, although i thought i'd insulted you somehow then :oops:
i really should stick to "straight-talking".. 8O



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06 Jun 2009, 11:40 am

DonkeyBuster wrote:
I don't think you meant to be funny, but this cracked me up, not to mention described my conundrums perfectly. :lol: I've been accused of so many off the wall motivations by people who read between the lines and completely missed the message by my straight-forward take on what someone said, did. It's so mixed up, it's like a bad spy show. 8)

You're right, I didn't mean to be funny, I was in tears before I wrote it and again afterwards; but I am glad you made light of it. Humour amongst those who understand is sometimes the best medicine.


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06 Jun 2009, 11:41 am

Me too! :lol:

As an Asp, what I'd really say to your remark is... "No, it doesn't. The only time the wind comes from the east here is when there's a hurricane in the Gulf. Right now, if you'll stick your head out the door, you'll find the wind is coming from the west."



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06 Jun 2009, 11:47 am

About the wind: I would say, "Oh." and file the fact away.



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06 Jun 2009, 11:55 am

i had no idea where the wind was blowing from.. east sounded better to me. but i'm guessing you knew that already?
also "blue-faced" was very confusing, i guess it means "angry" but all i thought was "how did your face turn blue?oh no, breathe!"
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i had a very confusing argument with my mother yesterday, it really upset me, but at least half of the problems were due to my lack of understanding.. taking everything literally & responding quite bluntly etc. Sorry Mum :(



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06 Jun 2009, 12:25 pm

Fudo...
"blue-faced snit" is just something I picked up along the way, I don't think it means anything other than mad as H###... right up there with panties in a bunch, knickers in a twist, tail in a knot... just colloquial ways of saying ticked off. :)

I figured we were having an imaginary conversation, so I didn't take you literally. No worries here. :)

I've had a years-long running confusion with my Zen teacher, she of NT-dom, me of Aspie-dom. All this time she thinks she's TOLD me stuff over and over and I'm just being disrespectful and disobeying when what's really happened is she used the NT secret language and naturally I had no idea she was saying ANYTHING! And when she asks for questions or discussion at the end of her talks, all this time I've thought she really did mean discussion, so I'd happily pitch in with what I've read or observed during zazen, and I think I've broken ANOTHER NT rule... again she's interpreting it in the worst possible way, that I am disagreeing with her, showing her up, showing off in general, all very disrespectful. OMG!! ! I don't think it's really meant to be a discussion, it's more one of those social encounter things with the teacher. I'm doing my social anthropologist role right now and observing the NTs to see what they do in this situation....

After all these years, we've finally figured out what's really going on, but now it's all such a hopeless tangle, and she's so terminally frustrated and PO'd, I don't know that I'll be able to get things sorted out between us.

So Alphabetania, I totally know how insane, heartbreaking, frustrating and tear-inducing these language difficulties can be. I'm just at the point right now where it's so totally F###ed up that all I can do is laugh rather insanely, wiping tears from my eyes, and try again.

Hang in there... there's a lot of good in the world, you're part of it, and life is just ludicrous sometimes. :compress: :shaking2: EVERYONE is making it up as they go. :)

Blessings.



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06 Jun 2009, 9:42 pm

Alphabetania wrote:
In the middle of a fight. We misunderstood each other for a long time. I was reading his lines, he was reading in between mine. Now we find out I should have been reading in between, and he should have been reading what I said.


Thank you for putting this into words.

I needed that