A couple rough nights (semi-mature content)

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Sean
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12 Jan 2006, 2:15 am

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12 Jan 2006, 2:46 am

is there any way you could have some rest/sleep during the day so you don't get so tired? i know a 20 minute cat nap works for me, stops me getting completely burned out by the evening. after a meal, i'm always sluggish, so that's a good time.

sound like a feasible strategy for you?



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12 Jan 2006, 3:50 am

I'm not sure exactly what mechanism is involved, but it seems like if the body is very tired, energy that would be used for mental health is diverted into physical health, to ensure everything keeps ticking over.

When I get very tired (which is a lot of the time) my guts don't work properly, and I get more depressed. It is as though my brain sees these things as non-essentials, so diverts the energy needed for those processes to everywhere else. It's very annoying!



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12 Jan 2006, 11:40 am

Sean,

I have read some of your recent postings and questions and can say only this (I hope Nietzche will forgive me for this improvisation):

How One Becomes what One is - is a creative act comparable with creating a work of art. It is freeing oneself from convention, from education, from class, from religious belief, from all the social constraints, prejudices, and assumptions which prevent one from realising one's own nature in its totality.

Its a big order, but it's not impossible. If you believe in yourself then you can't go wrong, if you don't, well... then nobody can help you.

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26 Jan 2006, 7:11 pm

I've been there. When I'm depressed and can't sleep for a few days, it generally comes with a headache as well. I find a quiet place and pray. I'm not preaching, that's just what works for me. I couldn't imagine going to a therapist, not because I don't support the idea of it, I just can't really talk to most people.



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26 Jan 2006, 10:59 pm

Depression has physical triggers. It's not all about how you think and feel mntally and emotionally. While we don't completely understand all the reason why we need ot sleep, sleep is critical to mental health. Ther'e no question. During sleep our brains "reset" chemically after the stresses of being awake and conscious. Two critical things we do know about is that the brains regenerates its stores of serotonin which get depleted during the day, and the brain produces melatonin, a chemical which improves the quality of our sleep although we're not sure how. One simple speculation is that melatonin helps our brain recover from the day on a deeper, more fundamental level as it's link to deep sleep.

Naps can help the body regulate serotonin depletion, while only regular deep sleep produces melatonin. People who have a history of depression frequently have irregular sleeping patterns that disrupt one or both of these processes, and this can trigger depressive episodes. You in fact become more phsyicall fragile and tire easily, and then bam! the depression kicks in (yeah, been there done that). The problem is once these chemical start getting off balance, they effect all of your physical health, including your ability to sleep well. Then you fail to get the sleep you need to recover from the imbalance, and thus a pretty nasty cycle is born. For things like this I can advocate the use of SSRIs. I was in this cycle myself and ended up barely sleeping at all and thinking about suicide compulsively nonstop. I took Zoloft for 18 months and got a lot of rest. Things are a lot better now.

I understand that you are or were getting professional help for certain matters, but I do not knwo if you are on any SSRIs. If not you may want to consider it as an aid to get you back in a better physical state so to better manage your depression overall. If you are taking a SSRI, then you should talk to your doctor about changing dosage or meds. You probably also need to look seriously at what else you can do for your physical health. Do you get regular sleep, at least 5 hours of it at roughly the same time of day every day? Are you eating right? Are you getting enough protein, vitamins, minerals, omega 3 fatty acids and other healthy fats, and antioxidants? Do you drink enough water to help your body eliminate toxic byproducts of metabolism and stress? Do you get enough physical activity or exercise? That last one's very important. Regular exercise also helps the body regulate serotonin depletion and restoration, and encourages better and more regular sleeping pattern so your brain makes enough melatonin. Exercise also helps eliminate toxins from the body, which can be another physical trigger of depression.

I have personally found that you can't just do one or two things and think that's enough to maange depression. Depression is a complete package - it effects us mentally, emoitonally, spiritually and physically. In order to most effectively manage it we have to touch on all those bases. At the start or your recovery, you should strive to tackle one problem at a time, and normally that does get positive results, but only short term. As you progress in your recovery you have to continuely develop a more sophisticated plan to manage your depression long-term.



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27 Jan 2006, 6:21 pm

Is there anything you can do to make evenings as pleasant as possible? I'd be surprised if at this point you don't dread evenings and that may feed into it. I can't give any other helpful advise, except it sounds like you're doing your best to take care of yourself and that's a very good thing. (duh)



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27 Jan 2006, 6:44 pm

Sean, have you had your levels checked recently?



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27 Jan 2006, 6:46 pm

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What is it that can cause people to get depressed and sometimes suicidal when they get tired?


What is responsible for all evil in the world?

Have you tried regarding suicidal thoughts as not your own thoughts?



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27 Jan 2006, 7:24 pm

aylissa wrote:
Sean, have you had your levels checked recently?

I haven't had that done in 14 years! I've been wanting it for years now (I knew those meds wouldn't work right forever). What is the name of that test anyway? The computer electrode version, not the original mideavil version that involves drilling.



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28 Jan 2006, 4:06 am

Hey i cant help you with the torghts thing but i have the sleep issue. I have tryed most things but i haven't tryed sleeping tablets because i am to young to take them on a regular bases. I have had this problem when i cant sleep till about 1-3 in the morning since i was a baby. In your case i would reccomend sleeping tablets because the only time i used them i woke up feeling the best in my life.


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