A video I'd like the haven to watch and consider

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08 Jan 2012, 2:28 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa2_QH0-xMQ[/youtube]

This video talks about how to break a nihilistic funk. Depression, in my opinion, is interchangeable with the word nihilism.

People that take medications to overcome or keep in check their depressions and anxieties largely overlook a bigger aspect of their problem, which how they lost their bearings to what makes them happy. I'm not trying to say that people should quit taking their meds, even though, meds aren't going to cure you of anything, but they need to look more at their selves for answers, instead of looking to society for them. If you're completely unhappy, you've already sacrificed more than enough of yourself to society, so try to look inward more.


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08 Jan 2012, 3:50 pm

Some depression is circumstantial and some depression is caused by brain chemistry abnormalities outside the control of the sufferer. But yes sometimes people get depressed because they start to feel a lack of meaning.
I think the primary point made in the video is important for people to understand, but the maker of the video started to hint at ideological non-sequiturs. Yes, the lie of nihilism is overlooking the fact that meaning and value can only ever be subjective and trying to put them in an objective context is just logical absurdity. However, this does not imply that each conscious unit is responsible only to himself. There is also value and meaning in the relation between these conscious units. The is morally axiomatic to us in that it is as encoded into us as strongly as self-preservation. This is why certain morals are still absolute inside the context of human subjective experience. These considerations are ideally the foundation for "the state". We are not perfect, and therefore it is reasonable to expect society (or "the state", whatever you want to call it) will be imperfect and this is why it is important to maintain an awareness of one's value outside the context of society. It is also important to break away from cultural preconceptions insofar as they obscure the truth (which they often do).
But not everyone is responsible enough to do so and continue to act toward the good of themselves and toward the good of others even if they have the intention to do so. We are currently under the unfortunate situation where it is optimal (in terms of humanity) for the majority of society to live under a set of necessary cultural delusions which keep society running. There are many who would turn horrendously criminal if they were not under the burden of cultural shame. I am not one of those people, but I know enough to avoid projecting my moral fiber onto others.
It is the greatest tragedy and miracle that we know of in the whole universe that these self-aware entities were thrown into the brutal caprice of nature to suffer as only the sentient can suffer only to fight back with great courage against the inevitable laws of matter. Billions have died before us in the undying search for transcendence and one glorious day in the future we will live in such prosperity and health that we will all shed our delusions and dance in the rapturous joy of freedom and progress, but today is not that day.



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08 Jan 2012, 4:17 pm

And what if you never had a time in your life in which you where happy to try to get back to? I'll have to get to the video later.


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08 Jan 2012, 5:52 pm

Well, the video puts forth the opinion that "You're here for the day. You decide whether you're happy for the day or not." I don't know if this is a capital-T truth, but it works for me most of the time.



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08 Jan 2012, 6:04 pm

AngelKnight wrote:
Well, the video puts forth the opinion that "You're here for the day. You decide whether you're happy for the day or not." I don't know if this is a capital-T truth, but it works for me most of the time.


I think it's a great video to ponder about, especially if you're down and out.


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08 Jan 2012, 6:15 pm

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Some depression is circumstantial and some depression is caused by brain chemistry abnormalities outside the control of the sufferer. But yes sometimes people get depressed because they start to feel a lack of meaning.


I wouldn't be surprised to hear one day that the chemical imbalance theory actually affects a small portion of anti-depressant users.

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But not everyone is responsible enough to do so and continue to act toward the good of themselves and toward the good of others even if they have the intention to do so. We are currently under the unfortunate situation where it is optimal (in terms of humanity) for the majority of society to live under a set of necessary cultural delusions which keep society running. There are many who would turn horrendously criminal if they were not under the burden of cultural shame. I am not one of those people, but I know enough to avoid projecting my moral fiber onto others.


True, people must make concessions to be a part of society, meaning that they have to sacrifice things that are important to them to feel like they participate in it. But if you're down and out, and you're desperate for an answer, it's most likely that you'll have to withdraw a bit from societal demands and judgments, and concentrate on your own. Essentially, they have to weigh whether they are benefiting from relationship.

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It is the greatest tragedy and miracle that we know of in the whole universe that these self-aware entities were thrown into the brutal caprice of nature to suffer as only the sentient can suffer only to fight back with great courage against the inevitable laws of matter. Billions have died before us in the undying search for transcendence and one glorious day in the future we will live in such prosperity and health that we will all shed our delusions and dance in the rapturous joy of freedom and progress, but today is not that day.


That day for everyone isn't here, but that day may be here for some.


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08 Jan 2012, 9:30 pm

ugh I lasted 20 seconds.

snapcap wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa2_QH0-xMQ[/youtube]

This video talks about how to break a nihilistic funk. Depression, in my opinion, is interchangeable with the word nihilism.

People that take medications to overcome or keep in check their depressions and anxieties largely overlook a bigger aspect of their problem, which how they lost their bearings to what makes them happy. I'm not trying to say that people should quit taking their meds, even though, meds aren't going to cure you of anything, but they need to look more at their selves for answers, instead of looking to society for them. If you're completely unhappy, you've already sacrificed more than enough of yourself to society, so try to look inward more.


Who are you to that meds won't work for anyone?



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08 Jan 2012, 11:28 pm

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Well, the video puts forth the opinion that "You're here for the day. You decide whether you're happy for the day or not." I don't know if this is a capital-T truth, but it works for me most of the time.


grrr.....doesn't anyone understand some people cannot choose to feel happy, it just gets on my nerves. Especially when I'm feeling ok and then someone IRL starts questioning me about if I'm happy and I kinda feel like they should just leave me alone about it. I mean it seems like if a family member asks how I'm doing and I say 'ok' rather than 'good' they are shocked about it.


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09 Jan 2012, 5:49 am

I don't think depression and nihilism are at all interchangeable.

Depression is a lot more complicated than that. Many people are depressed for many different reasons, many of those reasons have nothing to do with nihilism. And I am sure there are some nihilists out there who are at peace with their nihilism and are not depressed.


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09 Jan 2012, 11:52 am

I agree with the above statement.

Also, the idea that children are not/cannot be depressed irks me.

Children can have depression. They manifest it differently.



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09 Jan 2012, 12:38 pm

The video isn't supposed to be a message for everyone. It's supposed to be a message to those that it can help. If your situation doesn't sound like it is included in the message, sorry!

I absolutely think that many people's depression is interchangeable with nihilism, because a lot of people have lost track of what they should value, because society demands that they value what it values, and it just doesn't meld right to those people that get depressed because of that. It can be very gradual switch, and by the time you have given too much away, you're depressed and you don't really know why, so you go take a pill to make it better, because that's what everyone's doing. If you suddenly lost all your values at once, only the most resilient people would come through without depression or any other emotional scars. And in many ways, that depression wouldn't look much different from nihilism.


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09 Jan 2012, 1:30 pm

My meds work for me quite nicely.


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09 Jan 2012, 1:40 pm

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My meds work for me quite nicely.


Then the video wasn't for you. Sorry I wasted your time.


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09 Jan 2012, 1:51 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
AngelKnight wrote:
Well, the video puts forth the opinion that "You're here for the day. You decide whether you're happy for the day or not." I don't know if this is a capital-T truth, but it works for me most of the time.


grrr.....doesn't anyone understand some people cannot choose to feel happy, it just gets on my nerves. Especially when I'm feeling ok and then someone IRL starts questioning me about if I'm happy and I kinda feel like they should just leave me alone about it. I mean it seems like if a family member asks how I'm doing and I say 'ok' rather than 'good' they are shocked about it.


Pardon. Wasn't directed towards you or anyone else specifically.