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25 Jun 2010, 11:52 am

Yup. That's me. I tried to learn how to draw, but since no one would want to teach me, I've had to teach myself. Sorry if this offends people, but hell, why don't you try living with AS. I'm sick of people who say "this sucks" and then don't give me reasons.

So there you have it, before I go hang myself to remove this no talent P.O.S. from the gene pool, I'm going to light all of my artwork on fire, including my literature so that no one will know anything about it. That way people can no longer gawk at my drawings, or excuse me I should say "pieces of crap".

No one wants to teach me. I say WTF? They say they don't have the patience to teach an individual with AS. I hate AS and I'm going to remove it from my life.......Forever.



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25 Jun 2010, 1:17 pm

I am also a "no-talent hack" :P
i have no interesting skills or abilities to speak of :oops:


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25 Jun 2010, 2:07 pm

Hey man, you clearly do have a talent. Don't let the philistines get you down.


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25 Jun 2010, 2:25 pm

Watch out for art classes and art "teachers." I mean it. I know I have talent because even though the nuns hated me when I was a kid, they let me get out of class to paint their stupid religious images for the school walls. But when I have taken art classes as an adult, I and many other non-AS students have been subjected to all kinds of judgments about our art. Its hard to take an art class and have any self-esteem afterward. PLEASE don't let the art "teachers" get you down.



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25 Jun 2010, 2:31 pm

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Hey man, you clearly do have a talent. Don't let the philistines get you down.

It's just that I clearly try and people shoot it down. What gives? Yeah I know I'm not the best ever and every bit of criticism I get I DO take into consideration. It's just different to me.



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25 Jun 2010, 2:33 pm

Anytime you try to do something that involves creativity there is ALWAYS going to be people who try to shoot you down. You have to do the art you like the best you can. that is just the reality of doing something that involves creativity.


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25 Jun 2010, 2:44 pm

My artwork's been shot down numerous times on the Internet too. Here's what I learned: don't draw to make other people happy and don't draw to get attention. Draw only to make yourself happy. It doesn't matter what the finished product looks like or whether or not other people would consider it trash. The process of creating artwork is therapeutic; it feels good to draw. Skill level doesn't matter as long as the act of creation makes you happy.



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25 Jun 2010, 2:57 pm

I'm sure there is a site somewhere that lists any number of successful artists (of all genres) that were told they had no talent. There is a difference between talent and skill. Skill you can learn. Do you think you could sign up for a life drawing class at a local community college? Making art is hard work, people seem to think that someone with ability has a heaven sent gift that they can summon at will. It doesn't work that way. The biggest thing in drawing is learning to draw what you see.
That means when you draw a cat you don't make a circle and put two triangles on top, it means you draw that shadow there and this line here. It also means being aware of the space between things. There are ways you can train yourself to do this. There is an exercise also where you draw something without looking at the paper or lifting the pen off the paper. The results will look weird but the point is to train your eye and your drawing hand to work in sync. I notice when you had color to your drawings, things really pull together. I say keep at it.
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25 Jun 2010, 3:31 pm

The work of Jerry Seigel, Joe Schuster and Bob Kane looks pretty unskilled compared to the work of Todd McFarlane, Jack Kirby, Jeff Jones, Bernie Wrightson or Vaughn Bode, but look what those 'hacks' gave us. I had a little training growing up, but nothing professional and I'm the first to remind anyone who compliments my work that I'm only a hack with a little developed skill, but I'm not ashamed of that.

Art is utterly and completely subjective. One takes away from it whatever one chooses to see in it, always on some level a reflection of oneself. If it doesn't speak to a particular individual, then they didn't resonate to that work, no big whup. I'm more than a little puzzled by some contemporary cartoonists whose work is so primitive it seems they intend for it to look like the scrawling of a preschool child, but the content is usually deep and intelligent, so I assume its either a statement I'm not getting, or meant to point up the content by not distracting from it with irrelevant details.

And surely by now you realize that the internet is a convenient mask for bullies who use it to spew bile and vehemence they would be too cowardly to ever say to anyone in person. You might not be so offended if you could see that most of the voices insulting you are those of 12 year old boys, who don't have enough sophistication to know art from a hole in the ground, but enough hormones and frustration to fill a truck. :roll:

Stephen King has described his work as "the literary equivalent of a Big Mac and fries" - if that's the work of a hack, sign me up, I'll proudly belong to that club! :D



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25 Jun 2010, 4:22 pm

Aimless wrote:
I'm sure there is a site somewhere that lists any number of successful artists (of all genres) that were told they had no talent. There is a difference between talent and skill. Skill you can learn. Do you think you could sign up for a life drawing class at a local community college? Making art is hard work, people seem to think that someone with ability has a heaven sent gift that they can summon at will. It doesn't work that way. The biggest thing in drawing is learning to draw what you see.
That means when you draw a cat you don't make a circle and put two triangles on top, it means you draw that shadow there and this line here. It also means being aware of the space between things. There are ways you can train yourself to do this. There is an exercise also where you draw something without looking at the paper or lifting the pen off the paper. The results will look weird but the point is to train your eye and your drawing hand to work in sync. I notice when you had color to your drawings, things really pull together. I say keep at it.
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nice work Aimless 8O


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25 Jun 2010, 5:04 pm

melbi wrote:
Aimless wrote:
I'm sure there is a site somewhere that lists any number of successful artists (of all genres) that were told they had no talent. There is a difference between talent and skill. Skill you can learn. Do you think you could sign up for a life drawing class at a local community college? Making art is hard work, people seem to think that someone with ability has a heaven sent gift that they can summon at will. It doesn't work that way. The biggest thing in drawing is learning to draw what you see.
That means when you draw a cat you don't make a circle and put two triangles on top, it means you draw that shadow there and this line here. It also means being aware of the space between things. There are ways you can train yourself to do this. There is an exercise also where you draw something without looking at the paper or lifting the pen off the paper. The results will look weird but the point is to train your eye and your drawing hand to work in sync. I notice when you had color to your drawings, things really pull together. I say keep at it.
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nice work Aimless 8O


Oh I didn't do those. I just like to illustrate my point about drawing the human figure being more than drawing your idea of what something should look like. I am very rusty at the drawing (I'm out of practice) and I get frustrated easily because I want ability to just shoot from my fingers like magic, damn it. :x :)



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25 Jun 2010, 5:46 pm

I think that you have a lot of talent, and I'm not just saying that.:)


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25 Jun 2010, 5:51 pm

What is the purpose in creating art? Different people have different reasons. Sometimes those reasons are a complicated mixture of conflicting desires. It becomes so tangled it can be hard to determine why one does the work one does and what one hopes to achieve with it.

Here are some mostly philosophical questions that come to mind that I'd be interested to hear your views on.

Why do you put your work up for others to see?

What value does one person's art have to another person?

Does the artist have a responsibility to the audience?

Does the audience have a responsibility to the artist?

If a segment of society says your work is bad, does that invalidate the work?

If others say your work is good, does that actually mean it's good?

If you had total freedom to do your art, but would never be able to show it to anyone, would you keep doing it?

What is the role that skill plays in art?

What is skill?

Does an artwork have to challenge its audience?


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26 Jun 2010, 2:33 am

jagatai wrote:
What is the purpose in creating art? Different people have different reasons. Sometimes those reasons are a complicated mixture of conflicting desires. It becomes so tangled it can be hard to determine why one does the work one does and what one hopes to achieve with it.

Here are some mostly philosophical questions that come to mind that I'd be interested to hear your views on.

Why do you put your work up for others to see?

What value does one person's art have to another person?

Does the artist have a responsibility to the audience?

Does the audience have a responsibility to the artist?

If a segment of society says your work is bad, does that invalidate the work?

If others say your work is good, does that actually mean it's good?

If you had total freedom to do your art, but would never be able to show it to anyone, would you keep doing it?

What is the role that skill plays in art?

What is skill?

Does an artwork have to challenge its audience?


I put up my works because I think people should be aware of my world. I'm trying to raise awareness.



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26 Jun 2010, 8:48 am

my NT sister has the artistic talent.
She took art as one of her electives in school.

her preferred style is anime art which the teacher hated.
He would have a go at anyone for including anime in their work (he had a go at me because I was in one of his classes two years before my sister and I drew anime style eyes in my folio)
my sister mainly taught herself to draw her preferred style.

the year after my sister graduated the teacher banned every student that came after from drawing anime characters.

now my sister has a freelance job as an illustrator at Moose. (the toy company).



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26 Jun 2010, 9:08 am

no one who met van gogh praised his work, and look at the legacy he left behind. if he had not quit & topped himself so soon, he would have continued to develop and left his appreciators in the future a lot more paintings.