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26 Jul 2010, 6:23 pm

for a long time me and my friends were picked on and robbed a lot at school. i took taekwon-do and i boosted my confidence and fitness a lot, just enough to appear strong and confident enough so that no robbers or attackers approached me, and if they did, they never got anything.

thing is my freinds still got robbed a lot. if older kids in year 11 wanted money, all they'd have to do is say "oi gimme a pound bruv!" and my friends would do it. i cant blame them, they were 14 year old unfit gamers, our attackers were 16-17 year olds in groups of 3, usually about 1 foot taller than us. one day i thought "f*** it, i don't pay £85 a term for taekwon-do so i can take this s***". i said to a guy who raided us for money "they don't have anything for you". he glared at me and walked off. later when we were outside he confronted me and said "why you gettin rude for?" and invited me over to where there were no security cameras to fight him. he was about a year older than me, half a foot taller.
i walked away from it so after about 10 steps he comes up behind me and hooks me in the ear. it hurt a bit but not too much. i turned round and just stood there taking his punches to the face for about a minute. im not weak at all i think, on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being too wimpy to open a jam jar and 10 being superman freak muscle growth) i think i would rank about 5.5. regardless i didn't think i could fight him (if i could apply the above 1-10 rating for how strong this guy was, probably about 7), and to be honest, i was scared s***less about escalating the situation, so i thought "as long as my Friends are safe..."
after a minute or so he stopped and we both walked away. i was happy that i was able to stop this happening to my freinds at least, but a whole load of s*** pissed me off about that; how is this kind of thing allowed to happen? why did he want to? my freinds also asked me "are you ok?" afterwards, which seemed kinda apparant that i wasnt seeing as i was fighting back freaking tears at the time (not because of the physical pain, i was angry to the point where it hurt physicaly and mentaly, but those were angry tears) and really pissed me off seeing as they just stood and watched, and walked away while i was being beaten. but most of all what pissed me off was my inability to act, and that i was too weak to put a dent in that f*****.

now secondary school has ended and im going into six form soon.

as the title implies, i wanna get stronger. for some reason i have this screaming desire to protect them, they dont show it but im sure getting their ipods and money jacked on a regular basis hurts em. i wanna get strong, strong enough to take on 2 or even 3 of them at once, for their sake. i already work out and im a yellow belt in taekwon-do so im growing slowly but its NOT FAST ENOUGH. dont get me wrong, i dont go rushing head first into danger. i avoid dangerous areas altogether and if someone confronts me when im on my own, my first priority is to get the hell out of there as fast as possible (most people cant catch up to me at all when running...i dunno, when im motivated to run, i just go beserk like i just got injected with a litre of adrenaline or something, so my freinds are freaked out when they see me running for the bus XD).

my point is, if my freinds or family are threatened, i wanna be able to crush anyone who hurts em. i dont care where the hell i get it from, i wanna get strong. (as long as i dont have to use some crap like steroids, nasty side effects, ilegal and did i mention nasty nasty NASTY side effects?)

one part of me just wanted to vent but this really is what i want most right now. is there any way to get really strong in say...about half a year? like workout routines or groups or whatever?

i know this could kinda belong in the health and fitness catagory but most people would say im soundin a bit too gloomy for that section i geuss.

help would be appreciated, and sorry for the freakin wall of text.


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26 Jul 2010, 7:25 pm

aw thats cute. google's probably the best place to seek loadsa advice on that kinda thing. id help but im probably only a 1 on your scale:(



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26 Jul 2010, 7:43 pm

Since you already do some martial art the only other way is regular exercise has to make your body better able to perform those said martial art, exercise is more important then the move themselves and strength is not only in pure physical strength, speed, dexterity, endurance and even intelligence (just press under your ear between the gap of the neck muscle and the jaw and you will know what I mean if you find the right spot) are part of it.

Also never follow them to no camera spot ever again, fight only in your own term if the fight doesn't come to you (that basic Sun Tzu), he could get out a weapon and could find yourself injured without anyone able to see you need help, the guy is no real danger if he is unwilling to attack in plain sight (robber don't usually want to draw attention) and doesn't stalk you outside of school ground and bathroom.


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id help but im probably only a 1 on your scale:(


Your so cute I don't see anyone but Hannibal Lecter trying to hurt you anyway, for I am sure he would find a human lobster to be very tasty. :twisted:



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26 Jul 2010, 8:05 pm

iniudan wrote:
OneStepBeyond wrote:
id help but im probably only a 1 on your scale:(


Your so cute I don't see anyone but Hannibal Lecter trying to hurt you anyway, for I am sure he would find a human lobster to be very tasty. :twisted:


if only i had the cuteness powers of a lobsterbaby. or the claws



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27 Jul 2010, 7:55 am

iniudan wrote:
Since you already do some martial art the only other way is regular exercise has to make your body better able to perform those said martial art, exercise is more important then the move themselves and strength is not only in pure physical strength, speed, dexterity, endurance and even intelligence (just press under your ear between the gap of the neck muscle and the jaw and you will know what I mean if you find the right spot) are part of it.

Also never follow them to no camera spot ever again, fight only in your own term if the fight doesn't come to you (that basic Sun Tzu), he could get out a weapon and could find yourself injured without anyone able to see you need help, the guy is no real danger if he is unwilling to attack in plain sight (robber don't usually want to draw attention) and doesn't stalk you outside of school ground and bathroom.


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id help but im probably only a 1 on your scale:(


Your so cute I don't see anyone but Hannibal Lecter trying to hurt you anyway, for I am sure he would find a human lobster to be very tasty. :twisted:

thanks i geuss...and by the way the way i wrote probably sounded misleading but i didnt go with that guy to the spot with no cameras, he just followed me and punched me anyway.

...i do regularly work out so i suppose i'll just keep doing so, still got the rest of the summer holiday :)


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27 Jul 2010, 6:33 pm

It sounds like you are getting stronger in your own time. I dont think martial arts can be rushed. I think with the gym though, you can take protein and other supplements.


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27 Jul 2010, 7:06 pm

What is "strong", exactly? Muscles will only get you so far. When I was bullied at around age 15, I went to a gym and started working out under close eye of a family member who owned the gym. I got bulked up in no time, and I armwrestled with one of the toughest guys in the yard, and we got stalled for like 5 minutes. Nobody won. He was amazed. I had muscles popping out all over the place. The gym owner proudly used me as a prop to show off the progress that can be accomplished in the gym - from a skinny weakling to my new buff self (at the time).

So for a while I thought that muscles would protect me, but muscles don't actually mean jack. I still got bullied, and my punches carried no power, because using muscle for punching doesn't work.

In martial sense, you need to be able to move fast, remain stable on your feet, and channel your body weight. THAT is strong.

If you want to get much tougher within a year, drop TKD and train in Judo and boxing, at the same time. However, these arts don't take into account knife attacks, and can still land you in a hospital or worse.

Also, you will not be able to take on 3 people without excellent knowledge of a weapon, like a staff. And then you will get jailed, because there's no way to be gentle with a staff.



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28 Jul 2010, 4:11 am

monsterland wrote:
What is "strong", exactly? Muscles will only get you so far. When I was bullied at around age 15, I went to a gym and started working out under close eye of a family member who owned the gym. I got bulked up in no time, and I armwrestled with one of the toughest guys in the yard, and we got stalled for like 5 minutes. Nobody won. He was amazed. I had muscles popping out all over the place. The gym owner proudly used me as a prop to show off the progress that can be accomplished in the gym - from a skinny weakling to my new buff self (at the time).

So for a while I thought that muscles would protect me, but muscles don't actually mean jack. I still got bullied, and my punches carried no power, because using muscle for punching doesn't work.

In martial sense, you need to be able to move fast, remain stable on your feet, and channel your body weight. THAT is strong.

If you want to get much tougher within a year, drop TKD and train in Judo and boxing, at the same time. However, these arts don't take into account knife attacks, and can still land you in a hospital or worse.

Also, you will not be able to take on 3 people without excellent knowledge of a weapon, like a staff. And then you will get jailed, because there's no way to be gentle with a staff.

i didnt mean just muscle, although the way i wrote that implied i did, i suppose what i meant to cover was things like physical endurance and balance, not just muscle on its own. if i wanted just muscle i wouldnt be taking taekwon-do, and im sure as hell not dropping that. as long as its not the kind of class that teaches you to use misguided techniques like grappels that MUST be executed PERFECTLY if you want them to work. they teach you to do that when in said situations talking, running or just ballistic techneques, the former two being the more acceptable. im a student and i dont think i can afford paying for two combat classes. boxing teaches fighting to you in a way like everyones always going to want to have a fair fight with you. i tried it for a while and it just seemed useless for fighting entirely. most martial arts probably arent much better but ive definitely learned more from my taekwon-do lessons than i did from boxing (well naturaly because ive done it longer). judo is too close range to work against a weapon or significantly bigger guys. kicks in taekwon-do are impractical in places where attacks are likely to happen, i admit.

i know what you're saying is constructive critisism but...you know what i'll just re-make the question; How can i become "strong" enough to defend myself? would be the more appropriate question (strong meaning not just muscles). other than taking new combat classes, what else is there?


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28 Jul 2010, 4:39 am

Well you're wrong about Judo and significantly bigger guys. As long as you're trained and they're untrained, they'll be easy to throw.

The only art that has multiple attacker drills is Aikido, which is what I train. However it takes years and years.

However since you cut off studying anything new, I don't see how anyone can provide an answer to your question.

Maybe the best way to be strong is to stop getting yourself into confrontational patterns that will inevitably land you in a hospital. You can't save everyone.



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28 Jul 2010, 5:00 am

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Maybe the best way to be strong is to stop getting yourself into confrontational patterns that will inevitably land you in a hospital. You can't save everyone.


Sage advice.


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28 Jul 2010, 1:39 pm

...you know to be honest i think i just needed to vent. taekwon-do should work well enough against an attacker, provided that they aren't using a weapon. i just wish there was a way to get good enough faster, and right now taking another class is out of the question, and dont get me wrong, i'd like to take an extra class. its just that decent ones are expensive.

acctualy i havent even started learning destruction techniques, they only teach you that at green belt (two gradings up from yellow belt, which is my belt).

probably just takes time...just hopefully i dont get put in another situation like that before im ready


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28 Jul 2010, 2:16 pm

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probably just takes time...just hopefully i dont get put in another situation like that before im ready


Very pedantic this, but you didn't get put in the situation, you put yourself in it. I think it's an important distinction, because then you see how you are responsible for the situations you get into or do not.


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28 Jul 2010, 2:48 pm

wrestling will get you in the best shape you've ever been in..

brazillian ji jitsu is the best self defense martial art, so if you want to be the best at defending find a ji jitsu gym...

the good thing about joining organized sports at your school (if your school has them) is that you get FREE access to the weight room, your own personal trainers (coaches), and plus you can become friends with the strongest people in the school. Also if you can get your friends to join then they'll get in shape with you, and wont need you to protect them as much.


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28 Jul 2010, 3:04 pm

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probably just takes time...just hopefully i dont get put in another situation like that before im ready


Very pedantic this, but you didn't get put in the situation, you put yourself in it. I think it's an important distinction, because then you see how you are responsible for the situations you get into or do not.

ok maybe i phrased that wrong, i should have said "i hope im not put in a position where i have to make a descision as to protect my freinds or not"

dont get me wrong, i chose to protect my freinds the time i mentioned.


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28 Jul 2010, 3:09 pm

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probably just takes time...just hopefully i dont get put in another situation like that before im ready


Very pedantic this, but you didn't get put in the situation, you put yourself in it. I think it's an important distinction, because then you see how you are responsible for the situations you get into or do not.

ok maybe i phrased that wrong, i should have said "i hope im not put in a position where i have to make a descision as to protect my freinds or not"

dont get me wrong, i chose to protect my freinds the time i mentioned.


Absolutely, and I applaud the good intentions behind your act. I'm just not sure it was the right thing to do.


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28 Jul 2010, 3:17 pm

liveandletdie wrote:
wrestling will get you in the best shape you've ever been in..

brazillian ji jitsu is the best self defense martial art, so if you want to be the best at defending find a ji jitsu gym...

the good thing about joining organized sports at your school (if your school has them) is that you get FREE access to the weight room, your own personal trainers (coaches), and plus you can become friends with the strongest people in the school. Also if you can get your friends to join then they'll get in shape with you, and wont need you to protect them as much.

seems like a good idea. since my last post, i thought i might use some of the support money i get for my AS to take up judo, and make up the money from some other place to go to a gym (my school does have a gym but its not too great, we arent allowed to lift weights and some of the machines are broken anyways). so i figure if i take taekwon-do, judo and go to gym, all at the same time, that should do the trick.

and about my freinds joining, thats not gonna happen. theyre the kind of people who say to those who do sports "yeah you do that so i can sit here and laugh". but thanks


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