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12 Nov 2010, 2:36 pm

Getting it off my chest. That's what it's there for.

What is the point? Why do I fight and force myself to fit? Do I need to reproduce in order to pass on the genes of my incompetent parents? To create another person to suffer in this world? Life is a struggle. Some people can handle it, some can't. I have tried really hard to change who I am, because I am self-destructive and I feel like I deserve better. This world won't push me to destroy myself anymore, and I am no longer afraid of it. It can swallow me whole and turn me into fertilizer for all I care, either way everybody will manage. Life is pain and the bad will always outweigh the good, and the sooner I can just accept the sad reality that I am not made to survive amongst apes cruising in oversized cars and mouthfuls of garbage, the easier the transition will be. I am not made for this world. I have known this fact since I was five years old. I don't believe in god and as much as people tell me to have faith, it's like telling me to grow an extra finger. HOW THE F*** DO I HAVE FAITH? What is that? What does it mean?!



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12 Nov 2010, 3:00 pm

I don't think you need faith to be happy. I have no faith, however, things do get better and worse over time - it fluctuates.



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12 Nov 2010, 4:32 pm

leozelig wrote:
What is the point? Why do I fight and force myself to fit? Do I need to reproduce in order to pass on the genes of my incompetent parents? To create another person to suffer in this world? Life is a struggle. Some people can handle it, some can't. I have tried really hard to change who I am, because I am self-destructive and I feel like I deserve better. This world won't push me to destroy myself anymore, and I am no longer afraid of it. It can swallow me whole and turn me into fertilizer for all I care, either way everybody will manage. Life is pain and the bad will always outweigh the good, and the sooner I can just accept the sad reality that I am not made to survive amongst apes cruising in oversized cars and mouthfuls of garbage, the easier the transition will be. I am not made for this world. I have known this fact since I was five years old. I don't believe in god and as much as people tell me to have faith, it's like telling me to grow an extra finger. HOW THE F*** DO I HAVE FAITH? What is that? What does it mean?!


I agree with this completely. I have tried to stay positive, fit in and change who I am, but it just will not work. What I would love is just a planet for Asperger's-only people. Where we socialize only when we want and are free to become amazing at what we do best!! Leave Earth behind and start a-new!! Sigh... A man can dream though. A man can dream...



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12 Nov 2010, 5:55 pm

leozelig wrote:
Do I need to reproduce in order to pass on the genes of my incompetent parents? To create another person to suffer in this world?

No, absolutely not. In my case, I have the "ability" to pass on both AS and alcoholic genes. As a result, I might go so far as to say that it would be irresponsible and unfair for me to bring another person into this world.

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I don't believe in god and as much as people tell me to have faith, it's like telling me to grow an extra finger. HOW THE F*** DO I HAVE FAITH? What is that? What does it mean?!

A sort of "classic" definition of faith is "being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." St. Paul wrote that in his Letter to the Hebrews. But, big help, right?

I don't think anyone can tell you "how the f* to have faith." Your finger-growing analogy makes some sense. It's not a perfect analogy, though, because, while no one will ever will themselves to grow an extra finger, people with no faith do develop it.

How sure are you when you say, "I don't believe in God"? Is it a sort of knee-jerk dismissal of the idea -- or have you really investigated and come to some genuine conclusion? If you've *really* done the latter -- that is, investigated to the point where you're fully satisfied -- then I don't know what to tell you. If you're doing the former -- that is, just sort of dismissing the idea without giving it much of a chance -- then maybe I can make a suggestion.

Read the Bible. If nothing else, it's one of the most extraordinary texts we have. It's an amazing epic. And it's far and away the single most reliable document of antiquity. Actually, historians rank its reliability (meaning basically the degree to which it has come down to us error-free) as being off the charts. Take comfort that lots of atheists have read the Bible -- so don't worry!

Now, people normally don't sit down and read it cover to cover; it's not that kind of book. And I can make recommendations only from a Catholic perspective (because that's the only perspective I've got) -- so others may have different advice. From me: maybe start with St. Luke's Gospel, flip ahead to Acts of the Apostles, and then read St. Paul's letters?

If you really want to know what faith is, then this is where to go. These are accounts of faith -- and nothing but faith -- pure and simple. If you don't come away from them impressed, changed, and with a little bit of faith yourself, then I'm sort of back to where I was a little earlier: I don't know what to tell you.

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13 Nov 2010, 11:10 am

emlion wrote:
I don't think you need faith to be happy. I have no faith, however, things do get better and worse over time - it fluctuates.
This is true. I've found it to be more about my attitude and how I handle things, that affects my level of happiness. Overall though- things are way better than, say, five years ago, and I am a happier person. It's my limitations that really get to me.


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I have tried to stay positive, fit in and change who I am, but it just will not work. What I would love is just a planet for Asperger's-only people. Where we socialize only when we want and are free to become amazing at what we do best!! Leave Earth behind and start a-new!!
That sounds like a dream come true! For once, I can relate to others.. and finding this forum is becoming a huge help for me. I feel like I am in the right place!



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13 Nov 2010, 12:31 pm

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leozelig wrote:
I don't believe in god and as much as people tell me to have faith, it's like telling me to grow an extra finger. HOW THE F*** DO I HAVE FAITH? What is that? What does it mean?!

A sort of "classic" definition of faith is "being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." St. Paul wrote that in his Letter to the Hebrews. But, big help, right?

I don't think anyone can tell you "how the f* to have faith." Your finger-growing analogy makes some sense. It's not a perfect analogy, though, because, while no one will ever will themselves to grow an extra finger, people with no faith do develop it.

How sure are you when you say, "I don't believe in God"? Is it a sort of knee-jerk dismissal of the idea -- or have you really investigated and come to some genuine conclusion? If you've *really* done the latter -- that is, investigated to the point where you're fully satisfied -- then I don't know what to tell you. If you're doing the former -- that is, just sort of dismissing the idea without giving it much of a chance -- then maybe I can make a suggestion.

Read the Bible. If nothing else, it's one of the most extraordinary texts we have. It's an amazing epic. And it's far and away the single most reliable document of antiquity. Actually, historians rank its reliability (meaning basically the degree to which it has come down to us error-free) as being off the charts. Take comfort that lots of atheists have read the Bible -- so don't worry!

Now, people normally don't sit down and read it cover to cover; it's not that kind of book. And I can make recommendations only from a Catholic perspective (because that's the only perspective I've got) -- so others may have different advice. From me: maybe start with St. Luke's Gospel, flip ahead to Acts of the Apostles, and then read St. Paul's letters?

If you really want to know what faith is, then this is where to go. These are accounts of faith -- and nothing but faith -- pure and simple. If you don't come away from them impressed, changed, and with a little bit of faith yourself, then I'm sort of back to where I was a little earlier: I don't know what to tell you.

Good luck and be well.

Hello Rainingroses :) and thank you for your response and well wishes. I compared it to growing another finger, which sounds silly, because I can't do either (although I've never tried growing another finger.) I mean, I've developed faith in myself- which has helped me a lot. Faith that I will keep moving forward despite the difficulties that may arise.



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14 Nov 2010, 2:35 pm

leozelig wrote:
Getting it off my chest. That's what it's there for.

What is the point? Why do I fight and force myself to fit? Do I need to reproduce in order to pass on the genes of my incompetent parents? To create another person to suffer in this world? Life is a struggle. Some people can handle it, some can't. I have tried really hard to change who I am, because I am self-destructive and I feel like I deserve better. This world won't push me to destroy myself anymore, and I am no longer afraid of it. It can swallow me whole and turn me into fertilizer for all I care, either way everybody will manage. Life is pain and the bad will always outweigh the good, and the sooner I can just accept the sad reality that I am not made to survive amongst apes cruising in oversized cars and mouthfuls of garbage, the easier the transition will be. I am not made for this world. I have known this fact since I was five years old. I don't believe in god and as much as people tell me to have faith, it's like telling me to grow an extra finger. HOW THE F*** DO I HAVE FAITH? What is that? What does it mean?!


I have faith, but I agreed with you right up until the last two sentences. Life is s**t. Faith doesn't change that. Yeah, life is s**t, whether it's controlled by a deity or by randomness. A sense of humor works just as well, in my experience, as faith in terms of preserving the will to live. F*** it. Just enjoy the ride, no matter how screwed up it is. Haunted houses are thrill rides too.



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01 Dec 2010, 1:24 pm

sharpteeth wrote:
Life is sh**. Faith doesn't change that. Yeah, life is sh**, whether it's controlled by a deity or by randomness. A sense of humor works just as well, in my experience, as faith in terms of preserving the will to live. F*** it. Just enjoy the ride, no matter how screwed up it is. Haunted houses are thrill rides too.

This is one of the best advice I heard in a long time. It really helps me to get another perspective. Thank you for your response.



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01 Dec 2010, 3:07 pm

Telling someone to get faith - it is like my father when I complained about my sisters saying "just close your ears." Big fat lot of help that was. Just get it over with and say "snap out of it" - be it AS, cancer, Aids, depression, or jusdt NOT being the guy with the helpful advice.

Best I got is hang on. Somehow. You are not alone. Eventually things can get better and people can come out of the bushes to drive away the robbers [that actually happened to me].

NOT easy and yes stuff keeps coming at you till you die - which is what life on earth means - but it does not havde to be unbearable.



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03 Dec 2010, 3:07 pm

Thinking gives me something to complain about.


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