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29 Dec 2010, 7:50 am

I've had it, I have absolutely just about had it with being given so much false hope then being left in limbo.....

So just under 2 weeks ago, I went on a date with a friend of a couple of my closes mates, having been in contact with her for 3 months and briefly met her once before on my birthday. The date seemed to go really well (maybe a little too well) and at the end before catching the train back to where I live she promised she wouldn't change her mind and that I would definitely see her again.
Over the next few days I don't hear too much, she says she isn't well which is fair enough so I only send her a couple of messages a day but in her replies she doesn't ask me how I am getting on, at this point I am starting to wonder if something is up.

On christmas day I message her wishing her a very merry christmas but don't get any sort of reply at all (regardless of the situation that's a bit rude in my opinion) then a couple of days ago leave her one more message just asking how she is, again no reply. I also found out from a mutual friend of mine and hers (who was not aware of the date between me and her I must add) that she has de-activated her facebook account and has essentially done a complete disappearing act.

If she's changed her mind (which I admit is most likely) why couldn't she have the decency to say so, rather then just going awol.

What annoys me more is that this is the third time this year alone where this has happened, the date itself has gone fine, the girl has said she wants to meet up again then I hear nothing afterwards. It's got to the point now where I am convinced that women don't want guys who actually want relationships at all, because that isn't a challenge for them.

Almost every-time I go on a date now I either end up disappointed and lied to or the girl will drop me for another guy if anyone else suddenly has an interest in her.

Either way I get shown no respect and I'm sick to death of it.


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29 Dec 2010, 9:04 am

most guys i've been out with just want a quick leg over - maybe they think your not being sincere when you're wanting a relationship and using it as a line to sleep with them.
that's happened to me - they do the whole 'i want a meaningful relationship' routine, i give them a chance and once i sleep with them i never see them again.

(eventually i found a boy who WAS sincere with it, and when i gave him a chance (he tried about 10 times to make us serious and i thought he just wanted me for sex) i realised he was serious and it is lovely)

just need to find the right girl, and it'll all be worth it in the end, and at least this is all experience.



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29 Dec 2010, 9:09 am

If it's any consolation, women sometimes experience similar things, too. I've also gotten the "I'll call you" or the "We'll have to get together again soon" after meeting someone and then never heard back a few times. Sometimes people don't have the courage to be honest and that isn't within your control.

But, something you can do that might help is to try giving the person a little space after a date, ie. not sending them multiple messages or asking them to promise not to change their mind. Some women might feel uncomfortable with getting a lot of intense attention from someone they haven't had time to get to know yet; it can be good to take it slow sometimes. Not that I'm the best person to be giving out dating advice, though ... :)



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29 Dec 2010, 9:30 am

emlion wrote:
most guys i've been out with just want a quick leg over - maybe they think your not being sincere when you're wanting a relationship and using it as a line to sleep with them.
that's happened to me - they do the whole 'i want a meaningful relationship' routine, i give them a chance and once i sleep with them i never see them again.


Well firstly I don't agree with that type of behaviour at all (as it gives the decent guys a bad name) and I do sympathise with you having been on the receiving end of that. But at the same time, surely jumping to that conclusion about someone after only going on one date with them, that just sounds like an easy cop-out to me from a male perspective. If you are going to change your mind about someone then I think a far more justifiable reason is needed instead of just a hasty assumption. I have trust issues as well (along with having just been used for sex, yes that happens to guys too) but won't let that stop me from giving someone the chance to prove me wrong.

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If it's any consolation, women sometimes experience similar things, too. I've also gotten the "I'll call you" or the "We'll have to get together again soon" after meeting someone and then never heard back a few times. Sometimes people don't have the courage to be honest and that isn't within your control.

But, something you can do that might help is to try giving the person a little space after a date, ie. not sending them multiple messages or asking them to promise not to change their mind. Some women might feel uncomfortable with getting a lot of intense attention from someone they haven't had time to get to know yet; it can be good to take it slow sometimes. Not that I'm the best person to be giving out dating advice, though ... :)


Oh I don't ask them to promise anything, they do that of their own free will and I don't think one message a day asking how they are, then trying to get a conversation going is excessive either, to me that's just being polite. And whilst I do see your point, tbh I don't think giving them space and waiting for them to contact me would work either, I'd still end up hearing nothing from them or at least that's what happened when having tried that method before.

It just seems at the moment, nothing is ever good enough and it's really starting to become soul-destroying.


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29 Dec 2010, 10:19 am

I'm sorry if I made you feel defensive, that wasn't my intention. For some people a message a day is too much, though. I could be wrong about this, but I'd always thought a general rule of thumb was to wait about two days after the date, then give the person a call? And, if they don't respond, just let it go? Maybe I'm just behind the times a little, though, and you should get a second opinion. I know technology and text-messaging have really changed the way that people communicate in recent years.



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29 Dec 2010, 10:32 am

blueroses wrote:
I'm sorry if I made you feel defensive, that wasn't my intention. For some people a message a day is too much, though. I could be wrong about this, but I'd always thought a general rule of thumb was to wait about two days after the date, then give the person a call? And, if they don't respond, just let it go? Maybe I'm just behind the times a little, though, and you should get a second opinion. I know technology and text-messaging have really changed the way that people communicate in recent years.


It's ok, I just wanted to let a bit of steam off in here, not really listen to people make excuses for those who have wasted my time (sorry no offence meant)

I've never heard of that rule tbh (although I have used a similar approach before, which resulted in being messed around similar to what I originally posted about) I've always been someone who has judged every situation on it's own merits. One of the problems here is I think is that because it's men who have to do all of the chasing (usually, I understand there are rare cases where the roles are reversed) therefore women don't understand how hard it is trying to get someone to want to date them, therefore not realising the damage that's being caused (being ignored is far worse then being outright rejected as to me that shows a lack of respect from the other person) I think if someone is going to change their mind, then they will do regardless of whatever approach or method is used.


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29 Dec 2010, 10:52 am

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Well firstly I don't agree with that type of behaviour at all (as it gives the decent guys a bad name) and I do sympathise with you having been on the receiving end of that. But at the same time, surely jumping to that conclusion about someone after only going on one date with them, that just sounds like an easy cop-out to me from a male perspective. If you are going to change your mind about someone then I think a far more justifiable reason is needed instead of just a hasty assumption. I have trust issues as well (along with having just been used for sex, yes that happens to guys too) but won't let that stop me from giving someone the chance to prove me wrong.


I totally agree, i shouldn't have judged some guys like that because some of them probably weren't just after that - but i was in a bad time in my life and sick of being used.
Probably now, after having positive experiences, i'd have given them more of a chance.
I hope i've learnt from hastily judging people - i feel nowadays I give people much more of a chance when I meet them.



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29 Dec 2010, 11:46 am

Daemonic-Jackal wrote:
I've had it, I have absolutely just about had it with being given so much false hope then being left in limbo.....

So just under 2 weeks ago, I went on a date with a friend of a couple of my closes mates, having been in contact with her for 3 months and briefly met her once before on my birthday. The date seemed to go really well (maybe a little too well) and at the end before catching the train back to where I live she promised she wouldn't change her mind and that I would definitely see her again.
Over the next few days I don't hear too much, she says she isn't well which is fair enough so I only send her a couple of messages a day but in her replies she doesn't ask me how I am getting on, at this point I am starting to wonder if something is up.

On christmas day I message her wishing her a very merry christmas but don't get any sort of reply at all (regardless of the situation that's a bit rude in my opinion) then a couple of days ago leave her one more message just asking how she is, again no reply. I also found out from a mutual friend of mine and hers (who was not aware of the date between me and her I must add) that she has de-activated her facebook account and has essentially done a complete disappearing act.

If she's changed her mind (which I admit is most likely) why couldn't she have the decency to say so, rather then just going awol.

What annoys me more is that this is the third time this year alone where this has happened, the date itself has gone fine, the girl has said she wants to meet up again then I hear nothing afterwards. It's got to the point now where I am convinced that women don't want guys who actually want relationships at all, because that isn't a challenge for them.

Almost every-time I go on a date now I either end up disappointed and lied to or the girl will drop me for another guy if anyone else suddenly has an interest in her.

Either way I get shown no respect and I'm sick to death of it.


It hasn't only affected you as you describe (disappearance act), maybe just a case of very bad luck? Might be the girls had personal issues.


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29 Dec 2010, 12:00 pm

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I've had it, I have absolutely just about had it with being given so much false hope then being left in limbo.....

So just under 2 weeks ago, I went on a date with a friend of a couple of my closes mates, having been in contact with her for 3 months and briefly met her once before on my birthday. The date seemed to go really well (maybe a little too well) and at the end before catching the train back to where I live she promised she wouldn't change her mind and that I would definitely see her again.
Over the next few days I don't hear too much, she says she isn't well which is fair enough so I only send her a couple of messages a day but in her replies she doesn't ask me how I am getting on, at this point I am starting to wonder if something is up.

On christmas day I message her wishing her a very merry christmas but don't get any sort of reply at all (regardless of the situation that's a bit rude in my opinion) then a couple of days ago leave her one more message just asking how she is, again no reply. I also found out from a mutual friend of mine and hers (who was not aware of the date between me and her I must add) that she has de-activated her facebook account and has essentially done a complete disappearing act.

If she's changed her mind (which I admit is most likely) why couldn't she have the decency to say so, rather then just going awol.

What annoys me more is that this is the third time this year alone where this has happened, the date itself has gone fine, the girl has said she wants to meet up again then I hear nothing afterwards. It's got to the point now where I am convinced that women don't want guys who actually want relationships at all, because that isn't a challenge for them.

Almost every-time I go on a date now I either end up disappointed and lied to or the girl will drop me for another guy if anyone else suddenly has an interest in her.

Either way I get shown no respect and I'm sick to death of it.


It hasn't only affected you as you describe (disappearance act), maybe just a case of very bad luck? Might be the girls had personal issues.


Well she's done a disappearing act on me, I'm she sure hasn't done that to everyone. Also if they've got issues then they shouldn't be leading people on and going on dates and making false promises to start with.


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29 Dec 2010, 12:18 pm

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I also found out from a mutual friend of mine and hers (who was not aware of the date between me and her I must add) that she has de-activated her facebook account and has essentially done a complete disappearing act.


You said this, so you are not the only one affected if I follow what you said.

I understand your frustrations, I had the same WTF!?? moment in my past.
But since you are not the only one she dissappears from I won't jump to conclusions.

Girls in my past did similar silence acts on me too for no apperent reasons, to only hear much much later what's going on. But there was no blocking her further enviroment in it which was also knowingly related to me.


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29 Dec 2010, 1:15 pm

Daemonic-Jackal-
You said in your post that the date had maybe gone "too well". What do you mean by this?
As an autistic I know that my emotional structure differs from NTs in that I can have very strong emotions very suddenly which I can't suppress and they can be contaigous to others. Unfortunately, I have only figured this out late in life after wondering WTF with a lot of people over the years where everything seemed to be going swimmingly then I get the cold shoulder and sudden cut-off, no explaination.
I know I have no scary intentions but I didn't see that they might have read it that way.
Maybe next time try to keep it under the "too well" level and I'd agree that less follow up would be better. You might be scaring them.

If on the other hand it was the girl who came on with lots of emotion then dissappeared, then I'd agree she might have some problem. Lots of people do. Don't let that stop you from finding someone.



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29 Dec 2010, 1:26 pm

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Daemonic-Jackal-
You said in your post that the date had maybe gone "too well". What do you mean by this?
As an autistic I know that my emotional structure differs from NTs in that I can have very strong emotions very suddenly which I can't suppress and they can be contaigous to others. Unfortunately, I have only figured this out late in life after wondering WTF with a lot of people over the years where everything seemed to be going swimmingly then I get the cold shoulder and sudden cut-off, no explaination.
I know I have no scary intentions but I didn't see that they might have read it that way.
Maybe next time try to keep it under the "too well" level and I'd agree that less follow up would be better. You might be scaring them.

If on the other hand it was the girl who came on with lots of emotion then dissappeared, then I'd agree she might have some problem. Lots of people do. Don't let that stop you from finding someone.


By 'too well' I mean it involved a fair bit of tonsil hockey but believe me she was all for it so I'll say it was 50/50. Usually my first dates don't go that far and I don't push the boundries at all, but if the chemistry is there, then I'll let it flow. This isn't an AS/NT issue either so I'm not getting into any of that nonsense, also if I wanted advice then I would have posted this in the L & D section, the reason it is here, is because I wanted to let some steam off. I've just gone back through all the messages I exchanged with her on my mobile and everything was fine up until the day before christmas eve (which was a week after the date I must add) so whatever has made her change her mind doesn't involve me. There was no falling outs or disagreements, like I said, she has basically just disappeared without offering any sort of explanation.


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