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10 Aug 2012, 12:30 pm

nevermind....shouldn't have said anything.


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10 Aug 2012, 1:28 pm

Sorry to hear you're dealing with strong suicidal thoughts due to stress. I have been there and it isn't pleasant.

I am prone to thinking suicidally when I am stressed and sometimes it gets to the point where I can't cope with it on my own anymore. From my experience I'd definitely suggest you speak to someone about this rather than try to ignore the thoughts any further.

I have built up a bit of trust with my GP and I am now open with him when I am thinking suicidally and it helps. If he thinks the risk is high, I end up at an emergency consult at the local psychiatric hospital. So far they have not admitted me as they do not think it would be a good environment for me and that it might make me even worse. They usually end up prescribing me meds to try to calm my thoughts down and give me a follow up appt with psychiatrist two days later.

The first time I was open with my GP was because I had emailed a colleague who recognised that I was feeling suicidal by what I had written even though I thought I had avoided it and they made me go to my GP and in fact took me there.

If you don't have a GP you trust then the ER might be the appropriate option if you are concerned that you might act on your thoughts. Otherwise be open with someone (I call from previous posts you have a friend who you sometimes go spend time with to get out of your home - they might be a good option) - you may find that talking about it makes the thoughts seem less powerful and overwhelming. If they are worried about you they may take you to the doctor which will alleviate some of the anxiety about interacting with receptionists etc.

Edit to add: I have never told my husband about my suicidal thoughts because I don't think he'd cope well with it and I feel guilty about that. So it's quite understandable if you don't want to speak to anyone you're very close to. But a friend, or a doctor who has to keep it confidential, are there to help.


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10 Aug 2012, 1:41 pm

I can tell you from experience that the "psych ward" is more or less a "drunk tank", and is more or less a setup for people to come down off an overdose or something similar. I went into a "ward" a couple years ago when I was at the stage you're at now. They basically imprisoned me in the place. I was only allowed to move between my bedroom and the "group room", though they let people into a fenced area to "smoke" after every hour of "group". (And there is ALWAYS group.) Then they'd wonder why I was here because I wasn't on drugs or alcohol. At the same time they tried to sell me on going to AA or NA meetings. (Why?) One of the "therapists", suggested that I was the cause of all my problems. That didn't sit well with me. On top of that, they wouldn't let me eat in the cafeteria. And they kept trying to feed me green beans which I told them 200 f*****g times I was allergic to.

7 days of hellish imprisonment.


I don't really know how to advise you, here. Obviously a psych ward didn't work for me. In retrospect, it was a cry for help which fell upon deaf ears. You may have a better experience, I don't know.



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10 Aug 2012, 1:46 pm

YellowBanana wrote:
Sorry to hear you're dealing with strong suicidal thoughts due to stress. I have been there and it isn't pleasant.

I am prone to thinking suicidally when I am stressed and sometimes it gets to the point where I can't cope with it on my own anymore. From my experience I'd definitely suggest you speak to someone about this rather than try to ignore the thoughts any further.

I have built up a bit of trust with my GP and I am now open with him when I am thinking suicidally and it helps. If he thinks the risk is high, I end up at an emergency consult at the local psychiatric hospital. So far they have not admitted me as they do not think it would be a good environment for me and that it might make me even worse. They usually end up prescribing me meds to try to calm my thoughts down and give me a follow up appt with psychiatrist two days later.

The first time I was open with my GP was because I had emailed a colleague who recognised that I was feeling suicidal by what I had written even though I thought I had avoided it and they made me go to my GP and in fact took me there.

If you don't have a GP you trust then the ER might be the appropriate option if you are concerned that you might act on your thoughts. Otherwise be open with someone (I call from previous posts you have a friend who you sometimes go spend time with to get out of your home - they might be a good option) - you may find that talking about it makes the thoughts seem less powerful and overwhelming. If they are worried about you they may take you to the doctor which will alleviate some of the anxiety about interacting with receptionists etc.

Edit to add: I have never told my husband about my suicidal thoughts because I don't think he'd cope well with it and I feel guilty about that. So it's quite understandable if you don't want to speak to anyone you're very close to. But a friend, or a doctor who has to keep it confidential, are there to help.


Well I talked to that particular friend and he doesn't think its a bad idea, like if I feel in danger of acting on it...but yeah like I'm going to go catch the bus and go there if I am on the verge of suicide. And thus far talking about it doesn't really seem to help...it has no real effect.


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10 Aug 2012, 1:57 pm

DiscardedWhisper wrote:
I can tell you from experience that the "psych ward" is more or less a "drunk tank", and is more or less a setup for people to come down off an overdose or something similar. I went into a "ward" a couple years ago when I was at the stage you're at now. They basically imprisoned me in the place. I was only allowed to move between my bedroom and the "group room", though they let people into a fenced area to "smoke" after every hour of "group". (And there is ALWAYS group.) Then they'd wonder why I was here because I wasn't on drugs or alcohol. At the same time they tried to sell me on going to AA or NA meetings. (Why?) One of the "therapists", suggested that I was the cause of all my problems. That didn't sit well with me. On top of that, they wouldn't let me eat in the cafeteria. And they kept trying to feed me green beans which I told them 200 f***ing times I was allergic to.

7 days of hellish imprisonment.


I don't really know how to advise you, here. Obviously a psych ward didn't work for me. In retrospect, it was a cry for help which fell upon deaf ears. You may have a better experience, I don't know.


Well at least if I have a negative experience my fears can be confirmed yet again and I can tell everyone 'see I told you all it only gets worse.' And that's another thing I don't want to go in for drugs & alcohol, because then they'll get it backwards, they'll assume I was fine until I lost myself to alcohol and marijuana when in reality I was miserable long before I really even knew what those were so much that I attempted suicide when I was 15 and then when the therapy simply did not help in the long run I eventually started self medicating, because nothing else helped. So I'll have to go without and then they'll really see how f***d up I am, I mean considering the crappy healthcare system I don't think I have to worry about being kept in a psych ward indefinably for more than a week at most.


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10 Aug 2012, 1:59 pm

Wait, you have health care?



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10 Aug 2012, 2:17 pm

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Wait, you have health care?


Not exactly, its just something they have in my state to help with medical costs...its not insurance or anything like that. Makes it more affordable but even so I still have no income.


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10 Aug 2012, 2:54 pm

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Well I talked to that particular friend and he doesn't think its a bad idea, like if I feel in danger of acting on it...but yeah like I'm going to go catch the bus and go there if I am on the verge of suicide. And thus far talking about it doesn't really seem to help...it has no real effect.


Yeah ... get on a bus when you are on the verge of suicide ...ain't going to happen. Which is why you need to try to get help before it gets to that stage

Talking about the reasons for my suicidal thoughts doesn't seem to help in itself ... If it did I wouldn't keep ending up back with suicidal thoughts and sometimes actions. But if I let someone know I'm feeling that way just that action can release some of the pressure I feel temporarily (until the next time).

There is no point in suggesting suicide hotlines to you because you have the same problem with phones that I have. My psychiatrist thanked me for bringing the lack of some form of immediate help other than phone calls to her attention ... Not that she can do anything about it. This typical advice is "phone this number if you think you're going to hurt yourself". Not going to happen. My GP tells me that if I feel like I will do something to just to walk to the surgery and he'll see me without an appointment. I have had to do this on ... Fortunately the surgery is a 2 minute walk from my house. If it were any further I would never get there. plus that doesn't help after hours or at weekends when there is no one there!

The ideal for me would be some form of IM provision of the same type as the phone lines offer.

I don't really know what to advise other than to keep releasing that pressure valve somehow ... Even if it's just telling that friend.

Do you ever feel close to acting on your thoughts or is more of a fear that you might act on them?


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10 Aug 2012, 3:04 pm

It sounds like that you're past the point of having to go to the emergency room. You NEED to go and tell them about this. They WILL help you, that's how I got help. Don't be scared of going to the psych ward, it's not bad unless you choose to have a bad experience by not listening to any of the doctors or nurses. It sounds like you waited too long for the counselling and you're at the point where you need to get help from the hospital. Yeah, it's scary at first because you don't know what to expect but once you're there you'll find that it's not as bad as you thought it would be. They'll stabilize you so your anxiety and depression gets better and the nurses are super nice there, they talk to you and they don't judge you at all.

They wont keep you there forever either, maybe a few days or two weeks. It depends how well you do really. Either way by the time I left I didn't even want to leave the hospital, it was so peaceful there but once you're out you'll find that you can cope with things a lot better. They'll probably set you up with some kind of program so you have resources to go to after.

I really don't know what other advice to give you. I feel for you, I really do because I've had low feelings as well but you need to do something about it. I mean you can basically try self-calming techniques, go to counselling, get medication and/or go to the hospital as a last resort. If you don't do anything there's not much else you can do. If you talk to your mum I bet you she'll understand and she'll take you straight to the hospital. If you want advice though, you need to take heed and do what we suggest though because there's not much else you can do at this point.



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10 Aug 2012, 4:22 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
DiscardedWhisper wrote:
I can tell you from experience that the "psych ward" is more or less a "drunk tank", and is more or less a setup for people to come down off an overdose or something similar. I went into a "ward" a couple years ago when I was at the stage you're at now. They basically imprisoned me in the place. I was only allowed to move between my bedroom and the "group room", though they let people into a fenced area to "smoke" after every hour of "group". (And there is ALWAYS group.) Then they'd wonder why I was here because I wasn't on drugs or alcohol. At the same time they tried to sell me on going to AA or NA meetings. (Why?) One of the "therapists", suggested that I was the cause of all my problems. That didn't sit well with me. On top of that, they wouldn't let me eat in the cafeteria. And they kept trying to feed me green beans which I told them 200 f***ing times I was allergic to.

7 days of hellish imprisonment.


I don't really know how to advise you, here. Obviously a psych ward didn't work for me. In retrospect, it was a cry for help which fell upon deaf ears. You may have a better experience, I don't know.


Well at least if I have a negative experience my fears can be confirmed yet again and I can tell everyone 'see I told you all it only gets worse.' And that's another thing I don't want to go in for drugs & alcohol, because then they'll get it backwards, they'll assume I was fine until I lost myself to alcohol and marijuana when in reality I was miserable long before I really even knew what those were so much that I attempted suicide when I was 15 and then when the therapy simply did not help in the long run I eventually started self medicating, because nothing else helped. So I'll have to go without and then they'll really see how f***d up I am, I mean considering the crappy healthcare system I don't think I have to worry about being kept in a psych ward indefinably for more than a week at most.


I don't have any experience with that kind of extreme feelings, because I haven't been there at that high level.
Though stress has put me to really bad shape as well, mixed with sadness about my situation
I was able to continue and when I got under people these thoughts vanished again...

This makes me really afraid about what is going to happen if I am sometime not anymore able to continue, ...

I don't know any of the reasons for your feelings. But probably you need to clear out these and develop some strategy.
And not with any normal therapist but one that is specialized on AS or spectrum.

Maybe you can also go to a special unit for autism and ask them for help (these are usually for autistic children). They maybe don't know about psychiatric things so well,
but at least they will treat you as a AS person in a right way(or I hope so). And they might know somebody that is specialized in psychology of adult AS. If they think that you are really threatened to commit suicide they will react appropriately on it and considering your real problems

And if there isn't any kind of that then there is no other option than to talk to us. But for that I guess you need to tell something about your situation.
Do you feel well hanging around or do something with people? Do you have friends that you could do something with that will free your mind from crap?

Well and rather drink a beer or two than starting some real action against yourself (well if you haven't been alcoholic before, or maybe even though)

Hope you still have enough power left to attack the problem.

At least you know that you are AS. I am not sure could this be also a problem to know too much.
I am just beginning to understand what this means for me to live with AS.
But imagine you wouldn't know



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10 Aug 2012, 5:14 pm

Please watch this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1orMXD_Ijbs[/youtube]

It always makes me feel better. As for the stress, why are you stressed?



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10 Aug 2012, 6:07 pm

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It sounds like that you're past the point of having to go to the emergency room. You NEED to go and tell them about this. They WILL help you, that's how I got help. Don't be scared of going to the psych ward, it's not bad unless you choose to have a bad experience by not listening to any of the doctors or nurses. It sounds like you waited too long for the counselling and you're at the point where you need to get help from the hospital. Yeah, it's scary at first because you don't know what to expect but once you're there you'll find that it's not as bad as you thought it would be. They'll stabilize you so your anxiety and depression gets better and the nurses are super nice there, they talk to you and they don't judge you at all.

They wont keep you there forever either, maybe a few days or two weeks. It depends how well you do really. Either way by the time I left I didn't even want to leave the hospital, it was so peaceful there but once you're out you'll find that you can cope with things a lot better. They'll probably set you up with some kind of program so you have resources to go to after.

I really don't know what other advice to give you. I feel for you, I really do because I've had low feelings as well but you need to do something about it. I mean you can basically try self-calming techniques, go to counselling, get medication and/or go to the hospital as a last resort. If you don't do anything there's not much else you can do. If you talk to your mum I bet you she'll understand and she'll take you straight to the hospital. If you want advice though, you need to take heed and do what we suggest though because there's not much else you can do at this point.


Hmm well I am kind of afraid of getting all defensive and distrustful, so I might come off as a little more difficult than they like....I am actually pretty good at pissing people off and that probably would include mental health professionals. I mean I don't feel I would be intentionally choosing a bad experience but I am not sure how I'd react to it all.


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10 Aug 2012, 7:01 pm

I put one of my friends in the ward for a week "shes schizophrenic" and before hand she was on the edge of suicide just dropped out of college and was pretty much trying to ruin the lives of everyone around her... a week is all it took.. now a year later she has a career and is the single most stable person I know from a "Free" week at a ward cause I took her to the ER for suicidal thoughts....

Its the best thing you can do if you dont know how to fix things yourself.. ive thought about putting myself in lately...



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10 Aug 2012, 8:08 pm

DannyRaede wrote:
Please watch this:
*snip*

It always makes me feel better. As for the stress, why are you stressed?


Inappropriate... :?



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10 Aug 2012, 9:25 pm

I disagree. It was designed to make sweetleaf laugh, and get her out of a state of depression.



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10 Aug 2012, 10:52 pm

If you call 911 and tell them you are suicidal, they will come and transport you.