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25 Nov 2012, 1:18 am

-when people try to use their Asperger's as a crutch, saying they can't achieve anything at all because of it. When people try to attach Asperger's to racial hatred, the prosecution of the LBGT community, abortions and laws involving abortion, whatever whatever.

Why can a disorder/syndrome/quirk/gift/oddity be just that and everyone leave it just that. Why does everything that have carry on so. None of these things need to be attached to one another. It makes me so sick when I see/hear people trying to convince others they are.

TD;LR - Why can't people let Asperger's be Asperger's and not try to add a new layer of issues onto everything else just for "Aspies"? There are some Aspies at are not gay. There are Aspies that have never had a abortion. There are Aspies that are functional and employable. Labels are not needed/wanted.


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25 Nov 2012, 2:42 am

I agree and this is coming from the perspective of someone looking in from the outside (waiting for my diagnosis results). Nothing is more irritating to me than when people toss AS-suspicions onto anyone who exhibits even a single symptom of a spectrum disorder. "He's a shy nerd, Asperger's!" "She's been playing violin since she was eight, Asperger's!" It kills me. Those people have absolutely no comprehension of the sensory (and very little understanding of the social) symptoms of the disorder. Asperger's as a crutch is just as bad. I whole-heartedly believe that it can be a completely disabling disorder that prevents many, many people from being effective employees but losing your drive to practice social situations, continue to seek friendships and relationships and keep fighting for a fulfilling life is probably depression, not Asperger's. Or, in my case, just plain laziness :)
P.S. I enjoyed your blog posts.


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25 Nov 2012, 4:42 am

Sometimes labels are quite important. :?

I'm being referred to a buttload of assessments because without some labels for my particular difficulties my University won't help me with them. Without help and certain adjustments I don't see how I'm going to manage much longer without having some kind of mental breakdown.

I do agree that people who use it as an excuse for not doing things, not good, but if it's the reason they can't do some things, fair enough.

I can't say I've seen many people trying to attach it to the things you've mentioned, is that an American thing? :S



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25 Nov 2012, 5:06 am

I am talking about people making a big deal about being a Aspie who is LGBT, attaching emotional "ties" (making a connection in conversation or otherwise) with things that are unrelated like abortions and racial hatred, ect., ect.. For example when people say "Aspies should all have abortions, as to not spread the disorder" (I actually came across someone who said this at a restaurant, I wanted to punch them in the throat), or "Aren't most Aspies gay?". I hate the CONNECTIONS. In my first example, that person had tied Asperger's to Abortion, the second, Asperger's to LGBT.

It's so unnecessary. I'm not talking about labels that describe your symptoms. I'm talking about bigots who add emotional ties to issues that do not involve having Asperger's such as the examples I have given. It's illogical. Asperger's should be Asperger's, and everything else should be everything else.

I apologize, my first post probably did not make much sense because I was seeing red at the time.


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25 Nov 2012, 5:20 am

I can't say I've come across any of that. Although I'm sorry that you have.

I can understand and individual who is LGBT and has an ASD making a big deal about both of them, as they're both parts of their identities.

But you're right, ASDs aren't inherently related to any of these topics.

Personally it makes me happy when I come across people who are openly LGBT and have an ASD, because it makes me feel less alone.



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25 Nov 2012, 1:54 pm

Calling everything "Gay" has become taboo (Mostly. Which is good! I hated people using that as an insult). Now people use, "Sperg" or "Autistic" as the new "hip" insulting description. I was at a Target the other day and heard two teenage girls run around calling things, "Autistic".

Not quite sure how products can be Autistic.



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25 Nov 2012, 3:00 pm

Actaully I am taking a class in Chicano studies right now and enjoying it. Inside the scholarship there is talk of chicanas having a much different expirence. I don't think really it is the Aspies doing most of the discrimination it is more nuerotypicals makes it worse than just adding the two for the disadvantaged groups.


Also what about people with Asperger's that have a special interest in abortion although I don't think that was what you meant.



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25 Nov 2012, 5:22 pm

ComradeKael wrote:
Calling everything "Gay" has become taboo (Mostly. Which is good! I hated people using that as an insult). Now people use, "Sperg" or "Autistic" as the new "hip" insulting description. I was at a Target the other day and heard two teenage girls run around calling things, "Autistic".

Not quite sure how products can be Autistic.


Wow.... just.... wow. Seriously? I weep for the human race...

The good news is trends like that never last long and some new word will replace it soon enough.



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25 Nov 2012, 7:42 pm

Quote:
TD;LR - Why can't people let Asperger's be Asperger's and not try to add a new layer of issues onto everything else just for "Aspies"?


You can never underestimate the value that people put in being normal. To most people, on a gut-thinking level, that's what labels are for -- to designate the bad people so that that they know who to stay away from. They cast negative aspersions on "the labelled" the same as on any 'bad guys' -- you compliment those in your group and you paint those outside of it with every bit of character assassination that happens to pop into your head.


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25 Nov 2012, 9:40 pm

Scaurie wrote:
I am talking about people making a big deal about being a Aspie who is LGBT, attaching emotional "ties" (making a connection in conversation or otherwise) with things that are unrelated like abortions and racial hatred, ect., ect.. For example when people say "Aspies should all have abortions, as to not spread the disorder" (I actually came across someone who said this at a restaurant, I wanted to punch them in the throat), or "Aren't most Aspies gay?". I hate the CONNECTIONS. In my first example, that person had tied Asperger's to Abortion, the second, Asperger's to LGBT.

It's so unnecessary. I'm not talking about labels that describe your symptoms. I'm talking about bigots who add emotional ties to issues that do not involve having Asperger's such as the examples I have given. It's illogical. Asperger's should be Asperger's, and everything else should be everything else.

I apologize, my first post probably did not make much sense because I was seeing red at the time.


That also makes me very sick that people would say something this nasty about Aspies. I feel that we should be able to have children and that nosy parkers should just mind their own business and keep such things to themselves when they're in public. There's an old saying that if you can't find anything nice to say, than don't say anything at all. Nobody respects life anymore and it's all Hitler's fault.


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26 Nov 2012, 1:53 am

on a lighter note, I really like OP's avatar. :)



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26 Nov 2012, 3:37 pm

BlueMax wrote:
ComradeKael wrote:
Calling everything "Gay" has become taboo (Mostly. Which is good! I hated people using that as an insult). Now people use, "Sperg" or "Autistic" as the new "hip" insulting description. I was at a Target the other day and heard two teenage girls run around calling things, "Autistic".

Not quite sure how products can be Autistic.


Wow.... just.... wow. Seriously? I weep for the human race...

The good news is trends like that never last long and some new word will replace it soon enough.


Many years ago, calling people "n****r" as an insult was common. It became taboo after some time.

Calling people "gay" as an insult is common. It is becoming taboo slowly and hopefully.

"Autistic" is now the new way to insult people. I am seeing it more often on places like Youtube.



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26 Nov 2012, 5:20 pm

I've never really ran into anyone using autism as an insult o_o

Back before I was diagnosed, I considered "Geek" a compliment. (Then again, I was seven)


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26 Nov 2012, 5:57 pm

I am a proud pansexual aspie. I have no idea if they are connected or not, but if someone tried to tell me that I am X because of Y, I'd also be very angry!



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27 Nov 2012, 2:34 am

Crutches are useful and necessary. There's a whole industry around crutches and other mobility equipment. I never did understand the crutch hate.



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27 Nov 2012, 5:53 am

I had a therapist who was telling me that me liking diapers and doing baby stuff was tied to my Asperger's because aspies have uncommon interests. I told him there are NTs out there that do this too and he still said it was my AS.


People will tie anything to AS rather it be your opinions or point of views or things you like or are good at or things or even a fetish you have or something unusual you do.

I remember my aspie boyfriend thinking feeling like you are born with the wrong gender was an aspie thing and I have seen the same question on the rdos test. I always knew it had nothing to do with AS. My ex was transgender but he had no desire to cross dress (he wore skirts at home though) and have a sex change or even take hormones. He just wished he was a woman and felt he was born with the wrong gender despite having guy interests. He also claimed to be male because those were the body parts he had. he was pretty sad about his gender and he shaved his whole body. But the ironic thing is he seemed to be against people having a sex change and still considered them their bio gender. So he knew that if he were to change his gender, he would still be a "guy." But yet he would be willing to have some surgery to permanently remove his body hair.


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