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20 Nov 2013, 7:41 pm

I'm so sick of attending job interviews.

Usually for sh***y jobs no-one wants.

I always have to drive a long way.

I have to pay for parking, sometimes in double figure amounts.

Or sometimes, like today, I can't even find any parking.

I'm tired of the BS questions at interview; everyone knows why I'm there, because I need money to live on.

I'm sick of filling out forms with the same damn details about myself. I'm starting to get sick of writing my own name.

If I even get the job, it either turns out to be short-term or crappy.

Yet people tell me, "There are HEAPS of great jobs out there!"

Well, they must be aboard the space station, because I can't seem to find any down here.


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20 Nov 2013, 8:05 pm

Sing it Sister.

I've got another one tomorrow. I've really had a run of bad luck lately. I even ended up going to an employment centre which wasn't very helpful. They offered to role play an interview with me. I declined.

And I really don't think that success in an interview situation is any real indicator of the chances of long term success. It is just a big chat/talk about myself session, which I have no interest in doing. Doesn't mean I can't do the job.



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20 Nov 2013, 8:25 pm

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They offered to role play an interview with me. I declined.

My social worker offered the same thing to me. I told her that I already knew that I had to be fake at interviews, and practicing being fake with her wasn't going to make my fakeness any more believable or make faking any easier for me to do.



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20 Nov 2013, 10:38 pm

starkid wrote:
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They offered to role play an interview with me. I declined.

My social worker offered the same thing to me. I told her that I already knew that I had to be fake at interviews, and practicing being fake with her wasn't going to make my fakeness any more believable or make faking any easier for me to do.


:lol: That's SO right on! Good on you for speaking your mind!

Good luck with your job interview Ann2011. I hope it goes well. Don't forget to update us. :wink:


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20 Nov 2013, 10:38 pm

starkid wrote:
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They offered to role play an interview with me. I declined.

My social worker offered the same thing to me. I told her that I already knew that I had to be fake at interviews, and practicing being fake with her wasn't going to make my fakeness any more believable or make faking any easier for me to do.


:lol: That's SO right on! Good on you for speaking your mind!

Good luck with your job interview Ann2011. I hope it goes well. Don't forget to update us. :wink:


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21 Nov 2013, 8:08 am

Ann2011 wrote:
Sing it Sister.

I've got another one tomorrow. I've really had a run of bad luck lately. I even ended up going to an employment centre which wasn't very helpful. They offered to role play an interview with me. I declined.

And I really don't think that success in an interview situation is any real indicator of the chances of long term success. It is just a big chat/talk about myself session, which I have no interest in doing. Doesn't mean I can't do the job.

That would explain why all the hard working Aspie-type people I know are all under/unemployed while the smooth talking, incompetent workers are all gainfully employed despite barely having any qualifications or work ethic. The corporate world will eventually figure out that success in an interview has little correlation with success on the job.

I do sympathize with the OP, as I was in the same boat 7 years ago. I was flat out told that there is no way that someone with my qualifications could not find a job and I must be lying or have a hidden criminal record. Whatever :roll: I tried everything and never got anywhere and later found a number of people in the same position. I do remember I mentioned to a counselor when asked why I wanted a better job and said "for the higher compensation". She looked at me with a horrified expression: I'm sure she is a volunteer and never took the position based on the income it provided :lol:



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21 Nov 2013, 8:25 am

What alternatives are there to the interview process?

Would you (all) be willing to sit through a written examination that tests you on subject material alone?

How would an employer determine how well you get along with others?



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21 Nov 2013, 9:46 am

Job interviewing is a skill. Every interview is practice.

I would never turn down the chance to practice a skill and get feedback on it.



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21 Nov 2013, 10:09 am

Fnord wrote:
What alternatives are there to the interview process?

Would you (all) be willing to sit through a written examination that tests you on subject material alone?

How would an employer determine how well you get along with others?


The last successful interview i had was 9 years ago. It actually involved testing me on the subject matter alone without the other BS. Got a job offer on the spot there, and i showed to be a good employee. But other circumstances caused the company to shut down.



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21 Nov 2013, 12:12 pm

Due to various factors since leaving my last job (not least, being currently in education), I haven't had a job interview since I was diagnosed.

In my area of London, there is a pretty supportive and proactive Asperger Syndrome support service, with eligible aspies being assigned an individual case worker who generally tries to help one live one's life without interfering unless they are specifically asked to.

One of the services they offer is the possibility of attending job interviews with you, in order to decrease possible misunderstandings, ease the AS applicant's general anxiety in the stressful situation, and to interact with the interviewer(s) if a question is too ambiguous or potentially misinterpretable.

While I find this quite a tempting idea (should God ever grant me another job interview in my life), what do others think?

Would it be counterproductive, by marking you out as someone who can't function socially without an 'interpreter'?

Or would it be a valuable way of levelling out some of the unfair disadvantages that AS people face in such high-intensity and overtly-artificial scenarios?



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21 Nov 2013, 12:45 pm

I would have taken a support worker to my Post Office interview. The questions they were asking were confusing to me. They kept asking me to think of things from my past experiences that would illustrate qualities they were looking for. I just don't think this way (at least not quickly.) If a supporter was there to explain this to them it would have been helpful. I think they thought I was an idiot and they clearly knew nothing of ASD.



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21 Nov 2013, 12:50 pm

Actually it sounds like you are kind of lucky. A lot of people have trouble even making it to the job interview step. They are eliminated at the resume stage. At least thats what its like in the US. And also here they say looking for a job is a full time job and takes on average 4-6 months.

Which is not to say I don't understand that job searching sucks. I know it does, and can be a emotional roller coaster. I think its best to think of it as a stage, just a rough patch to perservere through.



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21 Nov 2013, 7:49 pm

I actually like job interviews >.> Whenever I get an interview I usually get the job. Or rather, always. Not usually.

I think it's a skill though. You can get better at it. I'm just naturally good. *feels very lucky*



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21 Nov 2013, 8:37 pm

Fnord wrote:
What alternatives are there to the interview process?


The trial process, which actually showcases what you can do rather than your ability to claim things, and possibly lie.

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Would you (all) be willing to sit through a written examination that tests you on subject material alone?


YES. YES. YES.

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How would an employer determine how well you get along with others?


Again, in a trial the employer can directly see how you get along with the people you'll be working with. An interview only shows how well you get along with the interviewer/s.


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22 Nov 2013, 1:03 am

CharityFunDay wrote:
Due to various factors since leaving my last job (not least, being currently in education), I haven't had a job interview since I was diagnosed.

In my area of London, there is a pretty supportive and proactive Asperger Syndrome support service, with eligible aspies being assigned an individual case worker who generally tries to help one live one's life without interfering unless they are specifically asked to.

One of the services they offer is the possibility of attending job interviews with you, in order to decrease possible misunderstandings, ease the AS applicant's general anxiety in the stressful situation, and to interact with the interviewer(s) if a question is too ambiguous or potentially misinterpretable.

While I find this quite a tempting idea (should God ever grant me another job interview in my life), what do others think?

Would it be counterproductive, by marking you out as someone who can't function socially without an 'interpreter'?

Or would it be a valuable way of levelling out some of the unfair disadvantages that AS people face in such high-intensity and overtly-artificial scenarios?


I don't think society is progressing fast enough to make such a scenario pleasant. What we need is something so public, so huge and so revolutionary, that it forever puts the ASD community on the map in a dynamically positive way. Maybe we need another Daryl Hannah or a combination of Sheldon Cooper and Elvis Presley, to be a posterboy/girl and bring greater awareness and respect for ASD sufferers. Personally, I would love to one day build an Aspie village. Picture this: We plant a huge, gated forest, with every kind of tree you could imagine, and Aspies are paid to look after the trees. Visitors would pay $5 each for entry and the money would go to Aspie wages and resources. And we would live in those cute tiny houses that are becoming so popular, with solar power, no dirty energy, no freaking noisy cars, it would eventually become an exercise city, where everyone walked, rode, scooted, skated or wheelchaired their way around town. It would soon become such a big attraction that Hollywood would take notice and then it would attract the attention of the entire world, and people would start to give a f**k about the autistic community and see us as something positive, not just a burden on society. Once people started to see Aspies/auties as the envied ones and started trying to bluff THEIR way into OUR world, that's when the tables will have truly turned and our needs will be considered. I've discovered that in life, people only change their opinions when something becomes desirable, as opposed to it merely garnering sympathy.

Wouldn't that be a great life, though? You get up in the morning and have your breakfast to the sound of birds singing and leaves rustling and water trickling. You do a couple of hours of horticultural work, then have a break. You grow your own food and have some left over to sell at the nearby farmer's market (by a paid NT) which would give you just enough cash for your home's upkeep, your clothes and your internet/phone bill.

I don't know about anyone else here, but some days I feel I could just sit for hours watching nature without feeling bored. I think some of us are on a wavelength that's closer to the earth, but society today has moved so far away from that, it makes us look like absolute freaks. The world has lost its freaking head.


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22 Nov 2013, 1:03 am

CharityFunDay wrote:
Due to various factors since leaving my last job (not least, being currently in education), I haven't had a job interview since I was diagnosed.

In my area of London, there is a pretty supportive and proactive Asperger Syndrome support service, with eligible aspies being assigned an individual case worker who generally tries to help one live one's life without interfering unless they are specifically asked to.

One of the services they offer is the possibility of attending job interviews with you, in order to decrease possible misunderstandings, ease the AS applicant's general anxiety in the stressful situation, and to interact with the interviewer(s) if a question is too ambiguous or potentially misinterpretable.

While I find this quite a tempting idea (should God ever grant me another job interview in my life), what do others think?

Would it be counterproductive, by marking you out as someone who can't function socially without an 'interpreter'?

Or would it be a valuable way of levelling out some of the unfair disadvantages that AS people face in such high-intensity and overtly-artificial scenarios?


I don't think society is progressing fast enough to make such a scenario pleasant. What we need is something so public, so huge and so revolutionary, that it forever puts the ASD community on the map in a dynamically positive way. Maybe we need another Daryl Hannah or a combination of Sheldon Cooper and Elvis Presley, to be a posterboy/girl and bring greater awareness and respect for ASD sufferers. Personally, I would love to one day build an Aspie village. Picture this: We plant a huge, gated forest, with every kind of tree you could imagine, and Aspies are paid to look after the trees. Visitors would pay $5 each for entry and the money would go to Aspie wages and resources. And we would live in those cute tiny houses that are becoming so popular, with solar power, no dirty energy, no freaking noisy cars, it would eventually become an exercise city, where everyone walked, rode, scooted, skated or wheelchaired their way around town. It would soon become such a big attraction that Hollywood would take notice and then it would attract the attention of the entire world, and people would start to give a f**k about the autistic community and see us as something positive, not just a burden on society. Once people started to see Aspies/auties as the envied ones and started trying to bluff THEIR way into OUR world, that's when the tables will have truly turned and our needs will be considered. I've discovered that in life, people only change their opinions when something becomes desirable, as opposed to it merely garnering sympathy.

Wouldn't that be a great life, though? You get up in the morning and have your breakfast to the sound of birds singing and leaves rustling and water trickling. You do a couple of hours of horticultural work, then have a break. You grow your own food and have some left over to sell at the nearby farmer's market (by a paid NT) which would give you just enough cash for your home's upkeep, your clothes and your internet/phone bill.

I don't know about anyone else here, but some days I feel I could just sit for hours watching nature without feeling bored. I think some of us are on a wavelength that's closer to the earth, but society today has moved so far away from that, it makes us look like absolute freaks. The world has lost its freaking head.


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