Tired of having AS...
I just wish I didn't have this diagnosis. It's only ever made my life terrible, especially all the stereotypes. I refuse to tell any of my friends about my condition, since I'm so worried I'll get stupid questions like "Oh, so do you flap your hands and watch Sonic the Hedgehog and My Little Pony in your spare time?", both of which are things you'd never catch me doing. I recently gave up an interest I felt was ruining my life, and am trying to escape the whole "narrow and strong interests" thing by focusing on more than one thing at once.
If I went to get evaluated and found out I didn't check all the boxes anymore, I'd be overjoyed. I don't want to let a stupid condition define me, but my relatives keep bringing it up all the time. They all want me to do something with my biggest strength, the Japanese language, which I now dislike thanks to having too much of it.
And worst of all, I'm worried that I'll be hated for trying to fit in better. I try and dress in cute clothes (rather than just throwing on a T-shirt and jeans every morning), I already talk like any other teenager does and I enjoy things that wouldn't be considered too out there by most people's standards.
I don't know what to do... I feel completely trapped.
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I know what you mean. Sometimes I think I might be better off if I'd never been diagnosed but those who don't get diagnosed 'till they're in their 40s may have other problems. Don't discount your skills at Japanese. It's not an easy language after all. All those pronouns make my head spin. Some people will think it's cool. Japanese culture hasn't been this much in vogue since The Mikado. It's good in a way. Not once in my life have I ever been obsessed with anything useful or employable.
You should have tons of job opportunities now that Japan has gotten over their lost decade. I've found ignoring your obsessions doesn't help. When people come to my house they see shelves and shelves lined with video games and an arcade machine in the corner. The coolness of my possessions distracts them from how uncool I am and how my shallow life revolves around the acquisition of material goods (which somehow doesn't seem like as much fun as it used to). I don't think you'll be hated for trying to fit in better. When I was in high school I made no attempt to speak like a normal teenager. It didn't help. People found me arrogant.
What to do? Embrace your skills, embrace your strengths, be awesome. Your obsession may become your defining characteristic so you might as well take advantage of that. I guarantee someone will think it's cool. You only have one more year of high school left to endure anyway. It will go by very quickly so make the most of it. Take advantage of it anyway you can or you'll regret it a decade later (I speak from experience here) and don't forget to enjoy yourself.
Why did you seek a diagnosis in the first place? When were you diagnosed? I'm sorry you're so distraught. I found my diagnosis a relief. I personally don't think people will ask you the questions you're concerned about. My experience is either a person knows what it is and gets it or they have never heard of Asperger's and just ask "whats that?".
You should have tons of job opportunities now that Japan has gotten over their lost decade. I've found ignoring your obsessions doesn't help. When people come to my house they see shelves and shelves lined with video games and an arcade machine in the corner. The coolness of my possessions distracts them from how uncool I am and how my shallow life revolves around the acquisition of material goods (which somehow doesn't seem like as much fun as it used to). I don't think you'll be hated for trying to fit in better. When I was in high school I made no attempt to speak like a normal teenager. It didn't help. People found me arrogant.
What to do? Embrace your skills, embrace your strengths, be awesome. Your obsession may become your defining characteristic so you might as well take advantage of that. I guarantee someone will think it's cool. You only have one more year of high school left to endure anyway. It will go by very quickly so make the most of it. Take advantage of it anyway you can or you'll regret it a decade later (I speak from experience here) and don't forget to enjoy yourself.
You're missing the point; I'm completely bored with Japan now and no longer consider it an interest. I don't care if it's "in vogue", the only career opportunities over there for foreigners are English teaching and translation/interpreting, and I hate their ignorance towards mental health issues. I don't consider any of my current interests to be "special" or obsessions; they're just things I like, but am not passionate about. I find Japanese history dull, Japanese society corrupt and Japanese pop culture meaningless.
I'd rather disassociate myself with the whole Japanese scene, since it just doesn't interest me as much as it used to. I think of myself as me, not a person who loves all things Japanese, because I don't. My dream is to stay here in Australia and work in the medical field, not because I'm obsessed with medicine, anatomy or anything like that; it just appeals to me as a good, solid career that pays well and lets me use my more logical brain.
It was my parents, not me. They started suspecting things when I was in pre-school and didn't really socialise, and was aggressive. I didn't get the diagnosis until I was eleven, and when my parents told me I didn't really know what they were talking about. It was only two years ago that I really realised what it is and how it's affected my ability to live a normal life. This year I was diagnosed with co-morbid depression, too, since I just haven't been able to come to terms with the fact that I'm different. I miss being six years old and playing princesses with all the other little girls and assuming we were all the same.
Maybe my perception is kind of warped from spending too much time online, where people have created this really negative image of someone on the spectrum as being a hand-flapping, cartoon-watching, foul-smelling nerd who can't do a thing without help from their mother. I'm just worried this stereotype is spreading to the real world due to the growing popularity of sites such as 4chan that encourage it. And the word "sperglord" too - it seems really pejorative, and I'm worried that'll catch on in real life as well.
It was my parents, not me. They started suspecting things when I was in pre-school and didn't really socialise, and was aggressive. I didn't get the diagnosis until I was eleven, and when my parents told me I didn't really know what they were talking about. It was only two years ago that I really realised what it is and how it's affected my ability to live a normal life. This year I was diagnosed with co-morbid depression, too, since I just haven't been able to come to terms with the fact that I'm different. I miss being six years old and playing princesses with all the other little girls and assuming we were all the same.
Maybe my perception is kind of warped from spending too much time online, where people have created this really negative image of someone on the spectrum as being a hand-flapping, cartoon-watching, foul-smelling nerd who can't do a thing without help from their mother. I'm just worried this stereotype is spreading to the real world due to the growing popularity of sites such as 4chan that encourage it. And the word "sperglord" too - it seems really pejorative, and I'm worried that'll catch on in real life as well.
I don't know what 4chan or sperglord is. I'm not hip with things that are "in" . I wouldn't worry about perception of Asperger's because once you tell someone you have it and you're different from the perception, then you've just changed the perception. You know what I mean?
I feel like that too most of the time. I never tell anyone about my diagnosis, unless I absolutely have to.
Most people get defined by others by how they act and what they say, and I would like that too. Telling people about AS is a complicated question. If you do, people could define you more someone with AS, stereotyped. I have always felt that the stereotype of AS doesn't fit me, so telling people will give them expectations of how I would be. It really is a hard choice to make.
You cant do much about your family. But partly it is us that let our condition define us. I have done that, and I really shouldn't have as much, looking at it in retrospect.
But why would you be hated for trying to fit in better? I do think the opposite, that you can benefit from trying to fit in a little. Now I obsess a bit about those things, and that's not good either... Just don't worry too much about it. People without AS worry about fitting in, that's normal.
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I guess I did. I thought you were just worried about people perceiving you as being obsessed. You're right about about Asia being ignorant about mental health, I've seen them coming over here for treatment. Japanese history dull? Maybe it's just me. I don't think I've ever found any history dull.
I think I understand why your worried you'll be hated for trying to fit in. You're obsessed with not being obsessed with things or in broader terms obsessed with fitting in. The solution is simple. Don't try so hard. People can tell after all. You don't need to be just like everyone else because there is no homogenous everyone else.
My experience is that people will claim Asperger's doesn't exist and that those who have it just made it up to justify their behavior.
Not having a diagnosis would not change the way your brain is wired. Your problems would be the same, but neither you nor anyone around you would understand that it was because you have a disability you can't help.
You'd have the same handicaps, but instead of anyone understanding why you do things the way you do, they would be constantly yelling at you and telling you what an effing loser you are and screaming at you to stop being so difficult and stubborn. It wouldn't be autism, it would just be YOUR FAULT.
You'd likely get beaten by parents and authority figures for telling them you can't do everything they order you to do, because they wouldn't believe you and would insist you were just making excuses. It wouldn't be autism, it would just be YOUR FAULT.
Teachers and employers would bully you, insisting that you're plenty smart enough to do what they expect of you, you're just lazy and unwilling to try hard enough. They would flunk you and fire you and tell everyone what a useless slacker you are. It wouldn't be autism, it would just be YOUR FAULT.
Ultimately, you'd just have to accept that they must be right - you're definitely an incompetent loser, and there's nothing you can ever do to change it. And you would have no idea why.
Some of us grew up without any 'autism diagnosis.' It definitely DID NOT make things any easier.
If I went to get evaluated and found out I didn't check all the boxes anymore, I'd be overjoyed. I don't want to let a stupid condition define me, but my relatives keep bringing it up all the time. They all want me to do something with my biggest strength, the Japanese language, which I now dislike thanks to having too much of it.
And worst of all, I'm worried that I'll be hated for trying to fit in better. I try and dress in cute clothes (rather than just throwing on a T-shirt and jeans every morning), I already talk like any other teenager does and I enjoy things that wouldn't be considered too out there by most people's standards.
I don't know what to do... I feel completely trapped.
You mentioned you talk like any other teenager does. You have no idea how huge this is for you. This is the #1 spot where those with AS have their social lives completely messed up. If you can do this like an NT you've got a gift
From what you've shared in this post I think you only need to rough it out for 1 more year... and you'll leave the people in your school behind (those that knew of your AS) and enter university (where you dont need to... and should not, tell people of your AS). You will then be interacting with others normally because they have no preconceptions of you.
There's nothing you can do about your relatives other than look at them in the eye and politely ask them not to bring it up again since it is not helping you overcome it.
Your Japanese skills should not be allowed to atrophy. Even if you dislike it, please keep practicing so you don't lose the skill. When you become a neurosurgeon or doctor or whatever it is you become you will find out that generally the best paying costumers are Japanese...and they are so insular and polite closet xenophobes (oh yes...) that when a foreigner speaks their language well it BOMBS their brain.
If I went to get evaluated and found out I didn't check all the boxes anymore, I'd be overjoyed. I don't want to let a stupid condition define me, but my relatives keep bringing it up all the time. They all want me to do something with my biggest strength, the Japanese language, which I now dislike thanks to having too much of it.
And worst of all, I'm worried that I'll be hated for trying to fit in better. I try and dress in cute clothes (rather than just throwing on a T-shirt and jeans every morning), I already talk like any other teenager does and I enjoy things that wouldn't be considered too out there by most people's standards.
I don't know what to do... I feel completely trapped.
You mentioned you talk like any other teenager does. You have no idea how huge this is for you. This is the #1 spot where those with AS have their social lives completely messed up. If you can do this like an NT you've got a gift
From what you've shared in this post I think you only need to rough it out for 1 more year... and you'll leave the people in your school behind (those that knew of your AS) and enter university (where you dont need to... and should not, tell people of your AS). You will then be interacting with others normally because they have no preconceptions of you.
There's nothing you can do about your relatives other than look at them in the eye and politely ask them not to bring it up again since it is not helping you overcome it.
Your Japanese skills should not be allowed to atrophy. Even if you dislike it, please keep practicing so you don't lose the skill. When you become a neurosurgeon or doctor or whatever it is you become you will find out that generally the best paying costumers are Japanese...and they are so insular and polite closet xenophobes (oh yes...) that when a foreigner speaks their language well it BOMBS their brain.
Yeah... in real life I say things like "like" and "awesome" a lot, since it just comes to me naturally. Talking formally, as most people expect someone with AS to do, is typically something I only do when around people with authority. When chatting casually I'm naturally very informal.
I'm not too sure if I want to become a doctor or not... it's a lot of effort, and to get into med school an interview is required, and nowadays I'm pretty quiet and shy as a way to hide my poor social skills, and wouldn't pass since I never look people in the eye. A timid doctor just doesn't seem right... no matter how much I want to become one since I want to stop people's suffering, and human biology is fascinating to me.
I just dislike Japanese people's attitude towards people with poor mental health and social skills (like me) and wouldn't want to see them everyday. My whole life revolved around Japan last year (hence my username being a given name in the language) and I kind of burned out on it... I still like it in a way, but then I look at Japanese society and how corrupt it is, and look at the pop culture and how childish it is, and it puts me right off.
Doctors do not really require social skills for dealing with clients. Personally I've found that the less sociable the doctor is the more competent he is.
If you don't want to go the medicine route but like biology there's still lots of work in the field... researcher, whatever the title is of the people that perform the blood tests in the lab, pharmacy, etc. Forensics is also fascinating... I almost went that route while finishing my archaeology degree but chemistry was something my brain could not wrap itself around.
Don't give up on a dream until you fully research it or try it out! 'Tis better to regret failing rather than regretting not trying.
Japan.. don't get me started. I too love a lot of things about their culture but after living in Tokyo for 6 months I learned first hand that there's a lot of nasty stuff hidden under the rug.
Nothing in the world beats their food though.
If you don't want to go the medicine route but like biology there's still lots of work in the field... researcher, whatever the title is of the people that perform the blood tests in the lab, pharmacy, etc. Forensics is also fascinating... I almost went that route while finishing my archaeology degree but chemistry was something my brain could not wrap itself around.
Don't give up on a dream until you fully research it or try it out! 'Tis better to regret failing rather than regretting not trying.
Japan.. don't get me started. I too love a lot of things about their culture but after living in Tokyo for 6 months I learned first hand that there's a lot of nasty stuff hidden under the rug.
Nothing in the world beats their food though.
It's mostly the application process for med school that I worry about. So few people actually make it in, and I'm worried their response would pretty much be "get real, you're not doctor material" despite the fact that I take interest in science and am trying to excel as much as possible in chemistry and biology at school. I just have a feeling I don't quite have the smarts to make it in, and have been denied all sorts of opportunities to enter gifted and talented programs and schools because my parents felt it would be too much pressure on me.
Multiple relatives of mine have lived in Japan, including my grandmother who was so homesick by the time her visa expired that she came home without bothering to renew it. She told me Japanese kids with trouble in the mainstream school system don't get any help; they get shipped off to special ed schools and I imagine work there would be much the same. I can imagine having a nervous breakdown in front of everyone in the workplace from speaking too much Japanese and not being able to communicate in English, and just sitting there helpless as my colleagues ignore it. That's their attitude to psychological problems there. I'd probably be told "deal with it or leave". So Japan is pretty much out of the question.
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