real women only (not my opinion) is sexist right?

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sly279
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09 Aug 2015, 9:08 pm

is that offensive?

These are the rules of being a real woman:


Women are not as strong as men
Women are supposed to make less money than men
The best women are stay at home moms
Women don’t need to go to college
Women don’t play sports
Women are quieter than men and not meant to speak out
Women are supposed to be submissive and do as they are told
Women are supposed to cook and do housework
Women are responsible for raising children
Women do not have technical skills and are not good at "hands on" projects such as car repairs
Women are meant to be the damsel in distress; never the hero
Women are supposed to look pretty and be looked at
Women do not play video games
Women are flirts
Women are never in charge

if you dont' do these you are not a real woman.

so now is that sexist towards women?

well I'm willing to bet most will say it is. well saying real man and listing sterotypical traits that are also wrong is also sexist towards and hurtful towards men. if you defend that you should also defend the real woman definition.

its ironic you see because to be a real woman one sholudnt' talk about wanting a real man as 1. Women are quieter than men and not meant to speak out 2. Women are supposed to be submissive and do as they are told 3.Women are never in charge

so do we want real true equlity or should we go back to treating both sexes as a real man and real woman should be?

I vote for true equality and pushing for the future rather then staying and returning to the past.
though if we returned to both systems there would be more jobs and I could become a real man. but this would mean making so many women into the "real woman" which means treating them like s**t and not allowing them to go to college and work their own jobs.

it bothers me so much women support the horrible system on men but rebel against the half that was against them. rebel against both of it. the real man was a system in place for real women. the man had to make more because the woman wasn't suppose to be completely submissive to and reliant on he real man. why support a false stereotype that was designed and meant to basically enslave women. i don't get it.

why not fight for true equality. let men be who they are. love and care for them as you want them to do to you. accept them for who they are as you want them to do for you. you demanding a real man means they should demand you be a real woman. but how many women are going to shut up ad give up their lives and jobs to be a real woman?
so why push men to suicide for a outdated and wrong stereotype.



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10 Aug 2015, 8:13 am

All those are stereotypes, and apply either to no women, very few women, or some women.

The answer, my friend, is not "blowing in the wind." It's seeing each woman as an individual.



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10 Aug 2015, 9:09 am

It does apply to some women. I personally dated a girl who rejected me saying she wanted a real man. She was damaged psychologically and even though I wish I could've helped her, I'm glad it ended before she damaged me even more.



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10 Aug 2015, 9:10 am

"Real man", "real woman", that is so last year. Yes, be yourself. I've always considered myself rather effeminate (I'm not gay though).



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10 Aug 2015, 10:09 am

The difference is that those "real woman" qualities are based on weakness, lack of freedom and existing only as someone else's property, while the sterotypical "real man" qualities are the opposite. In a free world, everybody needs to be strong and responsible for their own life. It's no accident for these qualities to resemble those of the traditional "real man", as only men used to be free human beings.


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10 Aug 2015, 8:32 pm

It's definitely sexist, and unfortunately people still think like this. I think that gender roles and norms are crap.



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10 Aug 2015, 8:57 pm

One man's "real woman" seems to be a patronizing ideal, while another man's "real woman" is a more realistic idea.

Real women have mass, take up space, and exhibit other characteristics common to living matter.

To me, a "real" woman is honest with herself and others, accepts herself and others just as they are (within reasonable limits of health, safety, and security), and is not at all superficial (and does not accept superficiality in others).



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11 Aug 2015, 3:31 am

Spiderpig wrote:
The difference is that those "real woman" qualities are based on weakness, lack of freedom and existing only as someone else's property, while the sterotypical "real man" qualities are the opposite. In a free world, everybody needs to be strong and responsible for their own life. It's no accident for these qualities to resemble those of the traditional "real man", as only men used to be free human beings.


stop defending them. I strongly disagree. they are both based on the same thing.



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11 Aug 2015, 3:33 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
All those are stereotypes, and apply either to no women, very few women, or some women.

The answer, my friend, is not "blowing in the wind." It's seeing each woman as an individual.

what?



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11 Aug 2015, 3:37 am

Fnord wrote:
Real women have mass, take up space, and exhibit other characteristics common to living matter.


Boom.



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11 Aug 2015, 5:37 am

Skibz888 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Real women have mass, take up space, and exhibit other characteristics common to living matter.

Boom.

Which means that all real women are the same :O Maybe there's only one real woman and others are her clones?



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11 Aug 2015, 10:13 am

sly279 wrote:
stop defending them. I strongly disagree. they are both based on the same thing.


So I have to abandon my own view and adopt yours instead only because you command me to, and "strongly disagree", without addressing my points?


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12 Aug 2015, 2:38 am

Spiderpig wrote:
sly279 wrote:
stop defending them. I strongly disagree. they are both based on the same thing.


So I have to abandon my own view and adopt yours instead only because you command me to, and "strongly disagree", without addressing my points?


i grow tired of you self hating and then defending those who hurt you.

I think you Stockholm syndrome. or least you show huge signs of it.



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12 Aug 2015, 10:38 am

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12 Aug 2015, 5:51 pm

So...is the OP referring to some specific situation where a woman said she wanted a "real man" and saying this is hypocritical? Or is this just a general idea? Either way, how is it "pushing men to suicide"? I really don't care whether anyone considers me a real man or not. Labels like that are entirely subjective and don't mean anything to me.


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12 Aug 2015, 6:19 pm

Substitute "real women" with "Stepford Wives". Now note the fact that Stepford Wives were fictional.