Lost another friend :(

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He doesn’t think people on disability should be allowed to own guns

Well he clearly isn’t any friend to me anymore. People who need benefits aren’t violent or threatening. It a single person on sssi or ssdi has commuted any mass shootings.

Sorry to hear that. He sounds more like an acquaintance than a friend. A friend would say "Lets go to the range and have some fun. Ammo is on me."

I don't like guns, personally, but that guy's attitude needs fixing. In countries where everyone is allowed to own firearms anyhow, the law shouldn't exclude the disabled.

It looks like he just disagrees with your point of view. That doesn't mean you have to lose him as a friend. Why not just focus on what bonds you as friends instead of hashing out differences?

I wouldn't own a gun but I think there should be a sea-change in Britain from forced communitarian collectivism to personal responsibility and self-reliance. Then I would relax the gun laws to Czech-style parameters.

I'm with sly on this one.

Just because someone is disabled doesn't mean they're violent or mentally unfit to own guns.

Some guy who gets into a car accident & ends up on disability should have just as much right to own a gun as anyone else. Hell, if he likes guns & shooting them, he should have more of a right to have one since he has more free time to go shoot targets, making better use out of his gun & his time vs. sitting around dwelling on his disability instead of doing something he enjoys.

Maybe it's time to call it friends off with this person, but maybe not. Maybe you could just agree to disagree. (Not likely if he think's you're a threat for being on disability and owning guns.) Or better yet, maybe this is a perfect opportunity to use this as a "teachable moment," and educate your friend that disability does not = violence or a threat. Some dude with crippling sciatica or another with anxiety/depression etc aren't threats like some other dude with a history of violence and paranoid delusions of people out to get him who makes revenge statements etc. Maybe he's literally under the impression that to be on disability your diagnosis has to be as a loose cannon paranoid schizophrenic with a penchant for violence & has NO IDEA that it encompasses so many other physical or mental ailments that have NOTHING to do with being a potential shooter?

People who are mentally ill could be in danger of hurting themselves, though.
The same reason doctors will not prescribe sleeping pills to suicidal people except in controlled doses.
When I was suicidal, I also had my knives taken away, which is fair enough.

Are you sure you haven't mistaken your friend's meaning there?
There is not enough context to tell.
He seems to be indicating 'mentally ill people', not necessarily all people on disability.

Sorry, but I would feel very concerned about a mentally ill person having a firearm, especially if they're suicidal.

People with autism and mental disabilities are seen as aggressive and unable to cope with themselves and their own social difficulties, and because of that well... There has to be regulation. It's terrible when it feels untrue, but there is a reason behind everything. I think most of all we need to stop trying to fit ourselves as autistics as healthy stable individuals who are able to accomplish everything a non-autistic could do as harsh as that sounds.

No one is being unjust and unfair towards autistics too, and the only ones I believe who would know it is guys like Alex Plank and the non-autistics, or the pro-autistic group supporters.

And really throughout our lives were going to be compared to stuff we particularly don't care for. It's not based on personally who we are, but based on studies, past experiences, and news stories. We can't change what goes on the world, so we have to handle all of what goes on with our lives with all of this stigmatism we can't change. It's better sly than back then where we would have been thrown in a mental ward in a cage or perhaps thrown on the streets without ever having a job.

Besides in my own belief I kinda have to give up on declaring what isn't fair and equal and allow others to decide for me.

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Sorry to hear that. Though having a differing opinion on something should not be a deal breaker, maybe explaining to him your reasoning on the matter such as maybe you are on SSI but are of a sound mind and body, maybe he might modify his stance.
I did a little research and being on the FBI list is not hard to get on, having such things as depression, bipolar disorder and being an addict can proclude you from owning a gun, so he is not incorrect in his assessment.

If a back mans friend said he feels blacks should be segregated and have different cities, buses, planes, etc. would you tell the black man to just see his friend wanting to treat him as sub human and infringe in his rights as different opinion?

What if you friend wanted to have all aspies locked up in mental hospitals would you just be like we have different opinions? By would I want someone around who sees me as dangerous and think I shouldn’t have rights just cause I was born different?

What you’re friend said is not as extreme as those examples.

He didn’t say all disabled people should be locked up or segregated from society.

There are some people who should NOT have guns—though I don’t go as far as to say “all disabled people should not be able to have guns.”

Convicted violent felons shouldn’t have guns. You’re not a convicted violent felon, so I am not against you having guns.

But I do wish you can try to understand why some people believe in gun control. It’s not all black and white. They’re not out to take away your guns.

I don’t believe your guns should be taken away from you.

But please try to understand other people’s viewpoints, even if you don’t agree with them.

You don’t have to be mentally ill to get in disability. Someone with aspergers or anxiety or adhd aren’t mentally ill.
In fact people with anxiety are probably far more unlikely to be a danger to others or themselves and are far more aware of risky activities and stuff. I notice risky stuff when non anxious people go in blindly and get harmed.

He said people on disability being able to own guns doesn’t make sense and something has to give. So he thinks if you can’t handle working your just a danger to others. If I got super anxious I just shut down and don’t talk to people. Which makes it hard to get a job . I don’t go on a violent rampage. Too much stress or too much socializing makes me shut down. Like when I had to ask and push each customer to get a card. After few I’d shut down, Greet no one and carry on half pass with my take mute.
Likewise with confrontation, I go quite and submissive. Then days later after I recover I’ll go to HR for help. I’m completely non violent except in immediate threat to life like if someone was trying to kill me, or say a spider is coming at me. Otherwise I don’t do violence, I don’t kill spiders or bugs, I walk slowly home with a flashlight to avoid harming any snails, slugs, or worms. I say non violent, cause I’m not a Pacifist.

Nothing really is black and white in this world. In reality it is more gray than anything. Even the viewpoints on autism isn't at all black and white.

Just cause your don’t care about your rights doesn’t mane others do. Aspies aren’t sub humans, we deserved the same rights as everyone else.

No he didn’t but to me it’s just as horrible. And will eventually lead to thst. If you let them label as as dangerous t society and remove our human rights, it’s only time till they decide we shouldn’t be in the streets, they use to lock us up, we cake a long way since then it now we are heading back that way. Every single disability organization and the alcu are against linking disabilities and autism to violence for this reason. It
Will stigmatize in society.

Yes they are out to take my guns. If they got their way right now they’d take all but one of my guns under the assault weapon ban they pushing. And if they got their way under obama or trump they’d take all of them from me then tell me I need 10,000 dollars and years to fight them in the court as my due process

Thinking I shouldn’t own guns cause I can’t handle full time work isn’t a view point I can understand. I’d never think so lowly of a friend. It’s like asking a black persons to be friends with a kkk member who thinks he should just be a slave. But yiu have r try to understand his position. Like hell he does.

His opinion is thst people who need social services shouldn’t have any rights. It’s a republican thing, they think if you get on social security yiu should lose citizenship. Have no rights at all.

Those happen after a court hearing . What he and others want is a blanket ban on anyone on disability. Sorry you were born different that’s all we need to know. No rights for you.

The fbi thing is suggested people like us with autism should be actively watched by the fbi including random check ins. How’d you feel about the fbi visiting you every month just cause you’re a aspie. Searching your house, having you sit down for hours with a psychologist. Sure sounds invasive and nerve racking to me, and why just cause we born different. No different then the Nazis treating Jews the way they did just cause their different. If they do any of these society is goin the wrong way. No sub group of citizens should be treated sub human for being born different. We are talking abou 60-100 million people.
I wonder if similar talks happen when they decided to round up Asians and put them in camps during ww2. Now everyone looks back and say that was wrong and human rights violation. Future people will look back and judge us for our human rights violations of the disabled.

You’re using extreme examples to something that’s not necessarily as extreme as a black person’s relationship with the KKK.

Are you not going to be my friend because I feel some (violent) people shouldn’t have guns?

There’s moderate, and there’s extreme. Everything is not just black and white and yes and no.

You want your guns, and I respect that.

Not all gun control advocates want to take away your guns. But ALL guns could yield a lethal result....so there has to be some sort of regulation of them.

Even in the Old West, guns has to be turned into the saloonkeeper in those sorts of establishment. That’s a form of “gun control.”

You don’t have to agree with everything I believe in in order to be my friend.