I think being dead is better than living.

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15 Dec 2018, 2:13 pm

The reason why i think being desd is better than living is wimple. A dead person has no problems, a dead person does not suffer anymore, a dead person can not be poor, a dead person can not be hungry, a dead person can not be homeless, a dead person can not be unemployed, and a dead person can not be hurt. If you're dead you cease to exist. You do not suffer anymore, in fact yoj do not feel anything anymore. Which is better than being sad and depressed and anxious about your future all the time. I do not think that suicide is wrong. Infact sometimes it is the only way out of misery. Especially in a society where disabled people are not really treated well. Of course it is better than in the past. But we are still worth less than able bodied people, or able minded for that matter. Many autists have a hard time finding meaningfull employment, and earn enough money to sustain themselves. And many end up homeless if they do not have parents to care for them, or the government. But poverty is of course not the only problem if you are autistic. Life is generally harder, and you will suffer more than a "normal" person. And many autists are deeply depressed. I think life is completely overrated. For me, life is suffering, and i think many people suffer greatly in life too. Even healthy and normal people. Even rich, or superrich people can suffer. There are thousands of ilnesses, thousand of disabilities who can make your life hell. And even if you are lucky to be healthy till you die, you will suffer. Sufferign is guaranteed in life. Happiness is not. And there is so much suffering in this world, so much poverty, so much wars, and other big problems. And most people simply do not care about others, only themselves. And it is even worse in the animal world. The only thing that is keeping me alive is the fear of surviving an suicide attempt, and my dog. Do you think life is worth living? If yes, why?



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15 Dec 2018, 4:18 pm

In statistical/probabilistic terms, one might say that the expected value of being dead is greater (0) than that of being alive (<0), and this is obviously what you're getting at, but if you're dead, you're incapable of appreciating that trivial value.

It's often our deepest suffering that provides the grandeur of our life. Look at all the greatest men in history: Alexander, Caesar, Jesus, Plato, Buddha, Aristotle, Charlemagne, da Vinci, Napoleon and on and on and on; not one of their lives was lived without a great deal of tragedy and, in truth, we would think a great deal less of them if their lives had have been. Life is something to be overcome, to be sure, but suicide is a surrender to life and so the exact opposite of that.



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15 Dec 2018, 4:27 pm

If you choose between homelessness and death, what would you choose?



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15 Dec 2018, 4:33 pm

Homelessness.

You don’t survive death.



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15 Dec 2018, 4:34 pm

Fos11 wrote:
If you choose between homelessness and death, what would you choose?


You might find this hard to believe, but in primary school (around the age of 10), I was made fun of because I was obsessed with tramps and used to talk to anybody who would listen about how I wanted to be one. I was entranced by the idea of living the peripatetic lifestyle close to nature.

I'm a lot older now, and it's December with temperatures around thirty degrees at night, but I still see something romantic about the drifter's lifestyle. I'd still love to live in a mobile home, on a canal boat or in a log cabin. In fact, it's still my dream to one day buy a cabin in the woods for myself in the wilderness and live off the land.

Certainly, I'd rather be homeless than dead.



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15 Dec 2018, 4:45 pm

You sure about that? Evem if you would be forever homeless? Atleast till you die on the streets, like freezing to death. You wouldnt have such luxuries as internet. No not even necessities, not a great life.



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15 Dec 2018, 4:48 pm

I don't think electronic gadgets are of overwhelming importance; I'd still sooner return to a more natural lifestyle.



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15 Dec 2018, 4:51 pm

Fos11 wrote:
You sure about that? Even if you would be forever homeless? At least till you die on the streets, like freezing to death. You wouldn’t have such luxuries as internet. No not even necessities, not a great life.
Been there. Done that. Recovered from hypothermia. And this was before electronic gadgets as you know them. Own my own house(s) now, too!



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15 Dec 2018, 4:54 pm

Well no, but a roof over your head is if you want to survive in the cold. And if you want a minimum of life quality, more even so in the wilderness.



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15 Dec 2018, 4:56 pm

People don't realise how easy it is to survive in the face of the elements. It's quite easy to stay warm and dry with a few basic skills, but most simply aren't taught skills like making fires from scratch, hunting, and so forth anymore.



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15 Dec 2018, 4:57 pm

Fos11 wrote:
Well no, but a roof over your head is if you want to survive in the cold. And if you want a minimum of life quality, more even so in the wilderness.
Been there, too - actually spent 3 months surviving on my own in a national park. No one knew, and no one cared. Probably the best 3 months of my life.



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15 Dec 2018, 5:07 pm

Surely ots possoble tp survive, but do you really want to lead such a life? I do not understand how someone can enjoy being homeless. Especially in the wilderness. I would not want such a life.



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15 Dec 2018, 5:12 pm

At this point, I'm not sure if you're talking to our friend Mr Fnord, or myself, but either way, I think homelessness is preferable, by quite some way, to death. My main point was about overcoming life, however, as mentioned in my initial response.



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15 Dec 2018, 5:53 pm

You should see the movie “Grizzly Adams,” Fos.

This guy did just fine in the wilderness.



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15 Dec 2018, 6:15 pm

Fos11 wrote:
Surely ots possoble tp survive, but do you really want to lead such a life? I do not understand how someone can enjoy being homeless. Especially in the wilderness. I would not want such a life.
And that is where you fail. You neither perceive nor validate anyone's perspective but your own, which is full of misery and morbid thoughts.

Lighten up. There is more to life than wishing you were dead.



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16 Dec 2018, 1:50 am

I've spent most of my life looking forward to death.

Too much mental illness, dysfunction, daily mental toil.

I would say ENGAGE YOUR MIND and block it out.

Netflix, Comcast on Demand (tv & movies), free online chess, free online arcade casino, occasional PS4 games, low cost stock trading, online discussion forums .... puzzles, investigation, information to memorize.

I find memorizing information and engaging my mind to be soothing.


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