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14 Nov 2020, 5:38 pm

People who abuse others don't seem to care much about the damage they do to those they abuse.
Yet when the people they abuse damage themselves through self harm or something else, their abusers either get sad or angry.
Why is that?
(Trick question: the answer is that because when these people tell you not to damage yourself, it's not because they suddenly care about your well-being. If they cared about that, they wouldn't abuse you. They don't want you to damage yourself because it makes it harder to control you. If you desensitize yourself to pain too much, how are they supposed to control and intimidate you?)


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14 Nov 2020, 7:02 pm

roronoa79 wrote:
People who abuse others don't seem to care much about the damage they do to those they abuse.
Yet when the people they abuse damage themselves through self harm or something else, their abusers either get sad or angry.
Why is that?
(Trick question: the answer is that because when these people tell you not to damage yourself, it's not because they suddenly care about your well-being. If they cared about that, they wouldn't abuse you. They don't want you to damage yourself because it makes it harder to control you. If you desensitize yourself to pain too much, how are they supposed to control and intimidate you?)



Because they either downplay or justify the damage they've caused when they think about it, or just value their own interests so highly that in the moment they don't even notice the damage.

When others are harming the person they believe they care about they have a more appropriate response because the damage doesn't further their interests at all.

Even people who are terrible can still care for others so long as the costs to themselves are low. I wouldn't even assume the motive you list has to be true, since someone who's abusive and protective may view the protection from abuse from anyone else as a repayment for inflicting abuse of their own.


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14 Nov 2020, 7:14 pm

I think it may depend on what you mean by the term abuse and what the circumstances are in life.

I think having Autism Spectrum Disorder, makes us more vulnerable to being abused in some ways,
which to others may not even be considered as abuse, as they do not understand the nature of the condition or
because some aspects of life (such as living environment, working environment) are not to a high enough standard
to accommodate a person with ASD.

An example of this would be when a person with ASD is hypersensitive to sound, and neighbour decides
to make a lot of noise, fully knowing that their neighbour has ASD with hypersensitivity to sound and that their neighbours mental health condition will deteriorate due to their inconsiderate actions.

Some people simply like subjecting others to distress, others, simply value their own pleasure significantly above the
consideration of others.



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14 Nov 2020, 7:16 pm

madbutnotmad wrote:
I think it may depend on what you mean by the term abuse and what the circumstances are in life.

I think having Autism Spectrum Disorder, makes us more vulnerable to being abused in some ways,
which to others may not even be considered as abuse, as they do not understand the nature of the condition or
because some aspects of life (such as living environment, working environment) are not to a high enough standard
to accommodate a person with ASD.

An example of this would be when a person with ASD is hypersensitive to sound, and neighbour decides
to make a lot of noise, fully knowing that their neighbour has ASD with hypersensitivity to sound and that their neighbours mental health condition will deteriorate due to their inconsiderate actions.

Some people simply like subjecting others to distress, others, simply value their own pleasure significantly above the
consideration of others.


If the lawn needs cut your neighbour will need to make peace with that, no matter how much running a lawn mower might be personally difficult for them to endure.


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14 Nov 2020, 7:26 pm

madbutnotmad wrote:
I think it may depend on what you mean by the term abuse and what the circumstances are in life.

I think having Autism Spectrum Disorder, makes us more vulnerable to being abused in some ways,
which to others may not even be considered as abuse, as they do not understand the nature of the condition or
because some aspects of life (such as living environment, working environment) are not to a high enough standard
to accommodate a person with ASD.

An example of this would be when a person with ASD is hypersensitive to sound, and neighbour decides
to make a lot of noise, fully knowing that their neighbour has ASD with hypersensitivity to sound and that their neighbours mental health condition will deteriorate due to their inconsiderate actions.

Some people simply like subjecting others to distress, others, simply value their own pleasure significantly above the
consideration of others.


Agrees with this post having been exploited in many manners over a period of a lifetime . By various abusers along the way.
By people whom I have considered to be suffering from psychopathy . And wishing to be seen as a trusting person has not helped the issue , as it seems this maybe my own form of naïveté .


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