I'm swearing off the PPR and News boards

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21 Feb 2023, 6:30 pm

Seriously these are the most evil hateful and toxic sections of Wrong Planet and bring out the worst in me. All the decent members here seem to hang out almost anywhere else (except maybe Love and Dating which I hear is also toxic but seeing as I'm aromantic I really don't give a damn about that place.)

So yeah, you won't find me in those places anymore.



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21 Feb 2023, 8:49 pm

I hear you. You've got to really, really know what you're talking about in PPR, with complete knowledge of all the definite facts of history, otherwise you just say the wrong thing and offend everyone, then you're labelled as racist, homophobic and everything else, which doesn't do your self-esteem any good.
Yep, I've been there and got the t-shirt.

Disclaimer: When I say "you" I mean it in second person, not you personally.

You're a good member here. I've always liked you and I don't believe you have ever offended others.
I think some people here are too intelligent for their own good (not saying you're not intelligent), and they use their intelligence as a tool to outword others and you'll never win but you feel you don't want to leave the argument until you have won. Then the mods come and lock it anyway so you'll never get closure. The intellects have won.


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21 Feb 2023, 8:55 pm

Thank you. You make some very good points and I guess I never considered that.



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21 Feb 2023, 9:12 pm

DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Seriously these are the most evil hateful and toxic sections of Wrong Planet and bring out the worst in me. All the decent members here seem to hang out almost anywhere else (except maybe Love and Dating which I hear is also toxic but seeing as I'm aromantic I really don't give a damn about that place.)

So yeah, you won't find me in those places anymore.


I vote "PPR" to be the most obscene. :mrgreen:



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21 Feb 2023, 9:25 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I hear you. You've got to really, really know what you're talking about in PPR, with complete knowledge of all the definite facts of history, otherwise you just say the wrong thing and offend everyone, then you're labelled as racist, homophobic and everything else, which doesn't do your self-esteem any good.
Yep, I've been there and got the t-shirt.

Disclaimer: When I say "you" I mean it in second person, not you personally.

You're a good member here. I've always liked you and I don't believe you have ever offended others.
I think some people here are too intelligent for their own good (not saying you're not intelligent), and they use their intelligence as a tool to outword others and you'll never win but you feel you don't want to leave the argument until you have won. Then the mods come and lock it anyway so you'll never get closure. The intellects have won.


The three things I find most annoying in PPR are:
1. Most ppl are obsessed with political point scoring rather than sharing ideas, and discussing POV.
2. Hyperpartisan cliques defending their position, and bugger the Truth.
3. Disagreeing with one aspect of either side's narrative will send you to the naughty corner.
4. Misrepresentation.
(Autistic ppl aren't "supposed to" be like that. 8O )

Yes, I know there are 4 points, rather than three. :mrgreen:



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22 Feb 2023, 9:27 am

Or, maybe those forums are where you'll learn the most from opposing views that'll allow you to reflect on your own thoughts.

Example: Perhaps someone doesn't realize that what they've thought & posted is in fact a homophobic/transphobic statement, and then from the feedback of others acting like mirrors directed at them, they realize they've said something horribly offensive and can then learn and grow from the situation and become a better person - even if just by learning to keep their offensive opinions to themselves once they realize it's such a faux pas to express such thoughts about groups of people and that others don't necessarily share those thoughts in common with them. Even better might be if someone learned not to actually be bigoted, hateful, homophobic or transphobic etc.

Gotta see the good in everything. Sometimes there's great value in disagreement if we're open minded and able to see it and take something positive away from it.


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22 Feb 2023, 9:54 am

Sometimes it's impulsive to post your thoughts. Nowadays I just send a PM if I agree with someone's political views rather than participate in the thread. That way somebody gets to read my take on a subject and nobody gets offended.

You can't really expect everyone to be impartial to all political views. That's what politics is all about. And everyone I speak to offline about this are anti-PC, just like me. Well, anti-PC within reason. That doesn't mean we go around yelling out offensive words to people just for the thrill of it. That's just unnecessary and disrespectful. I know that.


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22 Feb 2023, 12:25 pm

There's a benefit to having one's views challenged but some people take disagreement with their views very personally.

Worse, when people are snarky and condescending it justifies that sense of the disagreement being personal.

Personally I don't understand why some people are much more fragile than others when it comes to having what they believe challenged, but I get how it affects some people. People typically feel emotionally invested in the views they espouse (not including contrarian debate bros who have no attachment to any ideas and just want to be right).


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23 Feb 2023, 7:43 am

I got to really thinking about it and some of the main reasons why I'm no longer debating political stuff with anyone is because:

1) Politics and the news is literally bad for my sanity. Even my psychiatrist has told me this.

2) I'm happiest when I'm not thinking about the fact that The Right wants to turn my country into a fascist state or that The Left is trying to force Marxism down everyone's throats or that our enemies in Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran would love nothing more than to see us burn to the ground in nuclear fire.

3) Nobody is ever going to truly see my point of view about things so why really bother trying to argue my point about anything? I mean I've been told I was actually worst than a Trump Supporter just because I don't like either side in my country's stupid two party system. And I'm not good at playing mental gymnastics to defend myself either.



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23 Feb 2023, 7:47 am

It's all about winning the battle of words. I can't do it here.

There will always be anti people. I'm anti-PC and nobody can brainwash me. I'm in the majority. But here there are less anti-PC people. I wish there was a forum somewhere that was anti-PC. I think I would fit in fine there.


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23 Feb 2023, 7:53 am

Joe90 wrote:
It's all about winning the battle of words. I can't do it here.

There will always be anti people. I'm anti-PC and nobody can brainwash me. I'm in the majority. But here there are less anti-PC people. I wish there was a forum somewhere that was anti-PC. I think I would fit in fine there.


I feel you on that, but unfortunately most forums like that are often filled with far-right conspiracy nuts. It's like everywhere on the internet nowadays is always one extreme side or the other. :|



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23 Feb 2023, 11:32 am

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Joe90 wrote:
It's all about winning the battle of words. I can't do it here.

There will always be anti people. I'm anti-PC and nobody can brainwash me. I'm in the majority. But here there are less anti-PC people. I wish there was a forum somewhere that was anti-PC. I think I would fit in fine there.


I feel you on that, but unfortunately most forums like that are often filled with far-right conspiracy nuts. It's like everywhere on the internet nowadays is always one extreme side or the other. :|


Why is opposition to the far-right "trying to force Marxism down everyone's throats"?

Much of the left isn't Marxist at all and you appear to be using Marxist in the same way Fox News does - as a slur for anything the far-right doesn't approve of. A lot of the culture war s**t wasn't anticipated by Marx, let alone commented on it - how is treating queer kids with decency "Marxist"? (for example)

Let me know when they're proclaiming emancipate the proletariat. That might be time to worry about actual Marxists instead of the ones invented by far-right hyperbole.


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23 Feb 2023, 11:44 am

It is exactly what I said it is. Has nothing to do with FOX News (which I never watch). And like I said I'm not debating this horses**t anymore. Period.



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23 Feb 2023, 11:52 am

Extremists are extremists, left or right, they feed off one another. When it starts to get out of control, centrists are only able to see the threat coming from the opposite side of the line on which they stand - turning a blind eye to the lunatic fringe of their own political persuasion engaging in extreme rhetoric or behaviour to counter that threat.
We used to be able to rely on politicians and the media to keep a lid on it, but it seems they have now lost the plot also.
This will not end well.



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23 Feb 2023, 12:01 pm

lostproperty wrote:
Extremists are extremists, left or right, they feed off one another. When it starts to get out of control, centrists are only able to see the threat coming from the opposite side of the line on which they stand - turning a blind eye to the lunatic fringe of their own political persuasion engaging in extreme rhetoric or behaviour to counter that threat.
We used to be able to rely on politicians and the media to keep a lid on it, but it seems they have now lost the plot also.
This will not end well.


I definetly agree with this. It won't end well for us either way.



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23 Feb 2023, 12:08 pm

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It is exactly what I said it is. Has nothing to do with FOX News (which I never watch). And like I said I'm not debating this horses**t anymore. Period.


Marxist doesn't mean anything when you make it synonymous with people you disagree with.

That's not a matter for debate, that's true of any word that once had a meaning once it's reduced to a non-specific slur.


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