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13 Jul 2024, 3:42 am

I was watching a true crime documentary earlier and I felt more sorry for the perpetrator than the victims. They showed it like the people he shot were constantly making fun of him and antagonizing him, and he was a war veteran so he may have had PTSD as well and they were throwing firecrackers at him a few times., but they kept pushing and pushing till he snapped and killed them and then he killed himself too once the police came.

I just feel bad for that poor man, just wanting a peaceful place to be and his nasty neighbors driving him to that. But I was glad to learn he at least took those miserable people out with him. But like it makes me wonder is that bad thinking to have the idea at in that case maybe the victims asked for what was coming to them I mean they did egg him on to shoot them and so he did. Idk am I evil...


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13 Jul 2024, 8:03 am

I won't directly answer your question, however I will say that I understand exactly how you feel, and you're entitled to your own thoughts and feelings.


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13 Jul 2024, 8:48 am

Yeah things aren't always so black and white

From the very little I know about you as a person Sweetleaf I wouldn't say you're a bad person


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13 Jul 2024, 9:10 am

It sounds like a terribly sad story all round. I think your reaction shows you have a strong empathy with victims of bullying. It doesn’t make you a bad person to feel that way and I understand why you felt that way.



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13 Jul 2024, 12:24 pm

It sounds like you sympathize with a sympathetic villain.

Being a sympathetic murderer doesn't make ones murderous actions justifiable.

I don't think finding someone's story sympathetic makes you a bad person, even if their actions can't be justified.


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13 Jul 2024, 1:02 pm

If you are, then I am too. I frequently feel empathy with people who have done terrible things. That doesn't mean I don't empathise with the victims, I just think it must take a lot of pain and suffering before people get to the point they hurt others. Unless they're psychopaths but not many people are.

I've got myself in trouble for voicing my opinions about these things in the past though, so I've learned not to. People just want to think of these humans as evil demons.


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13 Jul 2024, 1:34 pm

No, I don't think you're a bad person. I'm going off memory here, but I recall soon after The Sandy Hook Newtown CT shooting, saying that Adam Lanza " Wasn't one of us". Now of course, what Adam Lanza did was beyond horrible and if he had not killed himself, he absolutely deserved to face dire consequences for his actions.

The whole line of " He's not one of us" or some variation of that, kind of stops me cold. Meaning, at many times in my life I've been the outcast or the pariah. The one no one wants anything to do with. " The next school/workplace shooter" " Serial Killer" and other hurtful untrue BS. One or two people stick a label on you, then the others like sheep just believe it, without question. Hence, " You're not wanted" " no one wants to do deal with a weirdo like you" " You need to be locked away in a psyche ward" " You need to be cured".


After the event went down, the media basically made an assumption that all people with ASD are violent insane people with no conscience. Then the anti-vaxx conspiracy idiots started saying that caused the shooting. Basically, Adam Lanza was thrown away like a piece of trash and the media kept showing the same picture of him, to reenforce the fact " he's not one of us", no idea if they doctored the photo but it would not shock me if they did.

One of the reasons I stay quiet about the fact I am pretty sure/positive that I have ASD is because of this type thing, is that it would put even more of a target on my back, that I already seem to have.

So, there are 2 sides to every story of what might have led up to an event going down. I've not seen the true crime drama in question but now I want to. To conclude, at times the victims to an extent go what they deserved but... the person who was/is the perpetrator was wrong in carrying out the action. If that makes sense.


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13 Jul 2024, 4:31 pm

I don't think you're a bad person. There should be zero tolerance of bullying . Make it financially punitive to bully others.



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13 Jul 2024, 4:57 pm

Yeah, I suppose I still recognize it was wrong of him to kill them, but I can sympathize with why he got to that point. Probably just means I have empathy, I guess I just feel bad for sorta thinking those bullies deserve what they got.


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13 Jul 2024, 5:10 pm

King Kat 1 wrote:
No, I don't think you're a bad person. I'm going off memory here, but I recall soon after The Sandy Hook Newtown CT shooting, saying that Adam Lanza " Wasn't one of us". Now of course, what Adam Lanza did was beyond horrible and if he had not killed himself, he absolutely deserved to face dire consequences for his actions.

The whole line of " He's not one of us" or some variation of that, kind of stops me cold. Meaning, at many times in my life I've been the outcast or the pariah. The one no one wants anything to do with. " The next school/workplace shooter" " Serial Killer" and other hurtful untrue BS. One or two people stick a label on you, then the others like sheep just believe it, without question. Hence, " You're not wanted" " no one wants to do deal with a weirdo like you" " You need to be locked away in a psyche ward" " You need to be cured".


After the event went down, the media basically made an assumption that all people with ASD are violent insane people with no conscience. Then the anti-vaxx conspiracy idiots started saying that caused the shooting. Basically, Adam Lanza was thrown away like a piece of trash and the media kept showing the same picture of him, to reenforce the fact " he's not one of us", no idea if they doctored the photo but it would not shock me if they did.

One of the reasons I stay quiet about the fact I am pretty sure/positive that I have ASD is because of this type thing, is that it would put even more of a target on my back, that I already seem to have.

So, there are 2 sides to every story of what might have led up to an event going down. I've not seen the true crime drama in question but now I want to. To conclude, at times the victims to an extent go what they deserved but... the person who was/is the perpetrator was wrong in carrying out the action. If that makes sense.


I was in a school shooting senerio, which I have PTSD from...and when the lockdown started this mean girl said to me 'I am surprised you aren't the school shooter' or something like that and oof that hurt deeply. Later though when we evacuated to the gym in the other building(the school had two buildings) I saw her off crying by herself but I figured she hated me so I asked a couple other kids to go check up on her to make sure she was ok.

A bit after all the memorial stuff and what not for the student killed, she did apologize for saying that and I forgave it, but yes I have certainly been 'othered' before. So of course I can sympathize with feeling that way.

But if you want to see it was on a show called Fear Thy Neighbor and the episode was called bullets in the snow, I got it on discovory + but idk if it is on other streaming services as well. That sort of thing is just kind of interesting like how people get to the point they do and such. If I was in college, I would probably be studying psychology and sociology...but due to the aforementioned PTSD being in a classroom is triggering. So, I gave on college years ago.


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14 Jul 2024, 6:14 pm

I just found out the young man who had shot Orange Man was described as having no previous criminal record and being quiet, very intelligent, and was bullied a lot in school. Sounds all too familiar.

He was also a Republican. 8O

And I am indeed a bad person because my sympathy for Orange Man and the MAGA lemmings is about minus 2345. I am worried for the non-Orange Man people in the USA.