My neighbors want my dog put down

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31 Jul 2024, 9:22 pm

I don't know where else to post this, but it's causing me a lot of distress/anxiety so I figured here would be a good place. It's also a bit long, I'm sorry.

My family has an anxious, German Shepherd mix dog named Pumpernickel. She's perfectly happy inside the house, but afraid to be outside because of how often she has been attacked by other dogs. My neighborhood has a problem with loose and poorly minded dogs. We cannot have a fence. The HOA will not allow it. So we walk her outside whenever she needs to go outside. Because she's a scared dog she often will bark at people going past if we don't distract her from them. Many of our neighbors have told us that she should be put down because of this. I'm not sure why they feel compelled to tell us this, especially when walking around the neighborhood sets off a cacophony of other dogs as well. I guess we just get told that because people are awful and we're outside to hear it.

Last week there was a freak accident. The leash broke while my mother was taking the dog out. She got a few feet away from my mother, into the street, before being recalled and pulled back into the house. Nobody was nearby. No cars came. Nobody was hurt. We figured everything was fine. While we were on the porch trying to figure out how the lead broke this old woman who had been walking her dog down the street, not near us, but close enough that she saw our dog go into the street from a distance, came up to us and started screaming at us. For fifteen minutes. She screamed about how our dog was a menace. How our dog was coming to murder her. How our dog could have murdered a small child. Granted, our dog did get loose for a few seconds, but none of those things happened. I lost my temper when she said our dog should be put down and told her she had no right to scream at us. But that's all I said. No insults or anything. I shouldn't have said anything, I should have just gone back inside, but I was mad. Anyway, she got madder and screamed that she was going to contact the HOA and animal control and eventually stormed off.

Two days later animal control showed up at our door. We knew the animal control lady because she was the one who picked up Leo, this very sweet loose dog that I was able to catch after he'd been running around the neighborhood for two days and nobody else could get him. Animal control was very grateful. Anyway, the animal control lady explained that a very long, ranting complaint about our dog "terrorizing the neighborhood and trying to murder small children" had been reported. We told her what actually happened, and she said we would get a citation if it happened again. Because, technically, our dog left our property without a leash and that's illegal. While she was there she also told us that, unfortunately, they'd gotten too many complaints about Leo and he'd had to be put down. I was devastated. I barely knew this dog, but he was so sweet.

Now I know my neighbors a) hate my dog and b) are not above lying or exaggerating the truth in order to get us in trouble. I'm terrified we'll have another accident again. Or worse that we'll start getting false reports. If enough reports are filed they could take our dog away and put her down. Logically I know this is unlikely. It was the metal of the leash that snapped without any warning. Which probably meant it was a defect in how it was created. Which is rare. And crazy old women who scream at people for fifteen minutes obviously have mental issues and will move on to the next thing that "offends" her like some poor service worker she can try to get fired. The likelihood that she will be offended by us again is low.

But I asked on a dog forum what I can do to keep my dog safe/prevent it from happening again and so many of the replies were telling me that maybe we should listen to the neighbors and put our dog down. Because anxious dogs don't deserve to live. Because being afraid to go outside is no life for a dog. Etc. Etc. And like, I know it's a false equivalence to think that people telling me that a dog being anxious is miserable and doesn't deserve to live to extrapolate it to the idea that anxious people are miserable and don't deserve to live...but I kind of did anyway. That, on top of the constant berating that we were terrible owners and that a "good owner" would have never let their leash break in the first place and that we didn't deserve to own dogs. That our dog could have murdered that lady and her dog and therefore we deserved to be screamed at...even though our dog has no history of murder. Or even biting. And that it was my fault that our dog keeps getting attacked by other dogs.  And my fault she's anxious in the first place, even though she wasn't anxious before we got attacked the first time when she was a puppy. Because I'm just supposed to know when other dogs are going to attack us while we're on walks, and understand dog body language perfectly, and process fast enough to stop them, and know how to stop them, and be perfect. Or I shouldn't have a dog.

I don't really know what to do. I'm mostly just venting, but thanks for reading or any advice.

TL;DR: My dog's leash broke, she hurt no one and got near anybody, but this old lady screamed at us for 15 minutes, told us our dog should be put down, and then filed a complaint with animal control. Animal control told me about another dog I befriended being put down. I am now very sad and anxious that something bad will happen to my dog too, even if it's unlikely.



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31 Jul 2024, 9:56 pm

Wow. I'm very sorry you're dealing with all of this. I can only imagine how stressed you must feel. Would you be able to take your dog to a vet for some sort of anxiety meds? Have you tried a weighted vest on him? A new trainer?

I had similar happen when Animal Control came to my door years ago claiming my cat had attacked someone. They actually had a mug shot of a similar looking cat and they said they were going to demand he be put down. It wasn't my cat but I had to prove it not only by showing them my cat but also producing his licence and all his vet records to show he wouldn't spread Rabies if he did attack someone. (Totally unrelated to whether he actually did hurt someone, which he didn't ...)

Another time my neighbour tried to sue me because my cat (this one ^) stepped on his grass and apparently that's illegal.

It's crazy how people bully pet owners when they've done nothing wrong. As a child, the scariest thing I ever saw was in The Wizard of Oz when the witch neighbour tried to take Toto away from Dorothy in her bicycle basket. I was so scared I'd run from the TV and hide behind our chest freezer. I didn't get past that scene for years and that's how I imagine you must feel.

Please hang in there and keep us posted.


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31 Jul 2024, 10:20 pm

Thank you! That's horrible they blamed that attack on your cat with no evidence. People are really weird about grass.

And that was always one of my least favorite scenes in the Wizard of Oz too!

Thank you for the advice! My dog is currently on anxiety meds and has a fantastic trainer. She's the best trained dog we've ever owned and has come really far with her anxieties. After the first attack from another dog while I was walking her she spent all of her time outside trying to hide in bushes, and now she doesn't. I'm really proud of her. We tried the weighted vest, but we were stupid and only put it on her when scary things were about to happen: like going outside, vet visits, thunder, fireworks. So now she is afraid of the vest because vest = scary things about to happen. :skull: She's too smart in the dumbest ways.



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01 Aug 2024, 5:10 am

Move to somewere rralas no one wats to live anywhere amongst people who lie.



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01 Aug 2024, 1:37 pm

Your dog will never get the benefit of the doubt. As the owner of an American Bulldog and a pittie, I know that very well. I know they would never hurt someone on purpose but if someone would be hurt, there will be only one outcome. If you want you keep your dog safe from animal control, you can never allow him (or her) to get off his (or her) leash and away from your home again. At all. It's your responsibility.



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01 Aug 2024, 7:02 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
Move to somewere rralas no one wats to live anywhere amongst people who lie.

Thank you! I wish I could move. I agree with you, I don't like living near liars.

rse92 wrote:
If you want you keep your dog safe from animal control, you can never allow him (or her) to get off his (or her) leash and away from your home again. At all. It's your responsibility.

Thank you for the advice, but I didn't allow her off the leash. The metal part of the leash snapped. It wasn't showing any signs of wear, no warping or cracking, nothing. I also only buy the heavy duty ones rated for 200+lbs (~4x her weight), because I'd rather things be over-engineered than under, and I replace the leash every 6 months. So it was less than 6 months old. Our dog is always actively monitored - she does not go outside without a person watching her closely. It's how she was recalled a few seconds after she escaped, but dogs are fast and she still made it to the street. I'm not sure what else I can do to keep this from happening again.

Also, given that the woman lied in her report to animal control, I don't know that it's as simple as just making sure the leash never breaks again.



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02 Aug 2024, 10:49 am

Rhapsody wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Move to somewere rralas no one wats to live anywhere amongst people who lie.

Thank you! I wish I could move. I agree with you, I don't like living near liars.

rse92 wrote:
If you want you keep your dog safe from animal control, you can never allow him (or her) to get off his (or her) leash and away from your home again. At all. It's your responsibility.

Thank you for the advice, but I didn't allow her off the leash. The metal part of the leash snapped. It wasn't showing any signs of wear, no warping or cracking, nothing. I also only buy the heavy duty ones rated for 200+lbs (~4x her weight), because I'd rather things be over-engineered than under, and I replace the leash every 6 months. So it was less than 6 months old. Our dog is always actively monitored - she does not go outside without a person watching her closely. It's how she was recalled a few seconds after she escaped, but dogs are fast and she still made it to the street. I'm not sure what else I can do to keep this from happening again.

Also, given that the woman lied in her report to animal control, I don't know that it's as simple as just making sure the leash never breaks again.


I'm sorry about the leash breaking. As far as the woman lying, the thing is "dangerous" dog breeds do not get the benefit of the doubt. Animal control is quite likely to make what they view as the safe decision.



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02 Aug 2024, 1:33 pm

rse92 wrote:
I'm sorry about the leash breaking. As far as the woman lying, the thing is "dangerous" dog breeds do not get the benefit of the doubt. Animal control is quite likely to make what they view as the safe decision.

This does not make me feel better.



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06 Aug 2024, 10:43 pm

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CockneyRebel wrote:
Sweet Pea hugs

Thank you :heart:



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07 Aug 2024, 12:49 am

It sounds like both you (or at least your dog) and the old lady have had some run-ins with out of control dogs in the area and that your dog is unfortunately being blamed because he was loose.

I would expect that your dog should be safe as long as he's not loose (regardless of why he's loose). Once the problem dogs have been culled fewer people will freak out over interactions with loose dogs, but until then your dog can't appear synonymous with the problem dogs.

It's possible Leo was one of the problem dogs. If that's the case, the fact he was sweet to you in your brief interaction doesn't mean he was that way all the time.

Just like your dog's anxiety is valid, so is the old woman's, especially if she's had encounters with problem dogs before. Her freaking out doesn't mean she's a villain who hates your dog personally, it means she was scared of the large, unleashed dog which is a pretty valid fear, especially for someone who's never interacted with your dog before that moment or who's only ever seen it when it's scared and misbehaving.

If you and your dog are being attacked on walks you should report those dogs before they hurt someone. You might worry about them being put down, but if they're the problem it's better to fix the problem and ensure your own dog's safety (whether from authorities or from the problem dogs). I'd also consider carrying dog spray or a stick so that preventing the attacks is more of an option. Your dog's well-being is more of a priority than the problem dogs well-being.

The other dog owners online seem to not be very understanding that not everything is within your control. I wonder how they'd respond when they're in your shoes.


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07 Aug 2024, 1:56 am

Thank you! While I agree that anxiety is valid, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to take someone screaming at me for fifteen minutes and then filing a false report about my dog trying to murder her and demanding she be put down as anything but personal. Being scared is understandable. Going out of your way to harass other people, and then lie to the authorities about it is not. I have the entire report from animal control, they sent it to me when I asked for it. It's overly dramatic and full of lies. It even reads like she came back to our house the next day to embellish her story because she mentions being "so scared she thought about jumping on the hood of the car in the driveway across the street" only the car was not there because our neighbor was out at the time. Again, our dog got nowhere near this woman. I've been in her exact position and worse (actually knocked to the ground by an attacking dog) and I still didn't feel the need to scream at people or file false reports.

I have been attacked multiple times, but I don't report them because I don't want the dogs to suffer like Leo, but also because animal control will dox you. I asked for the information about the report and I now have the woman's full name, street address, email address, and phone number. Obviously I'm not going to do anything with this information but avoid the witch's house, but it frightens me to think what somebody vindictive like her could do. I adore a good number of our neighbors, but I do not feel safe in this neighborhood because there are a lot of awful people. Like the ones who go out of their way to tell us we should kill our dog because she barks at them. I've only contacted animal control if I have captured a loose dog and don't know what else to do with it. Like Leo, for example, was loose without tags and spent the night in our garage crying. I felt so bad because he was friendly, and loved pets, and wasn't at all aggressive around our dog who brings out the worst in all other dogs. If he'd had tags I could have taken him home.

I don't really process fast enough to stop a dog attack. Carrying a spray or stick won't help me much, but it's a good idea. Thank you. I've just accepted it's a risk of walking my dog and I'm always the one who gets hurt anyway because she hides behind me.



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10 Aug 2024, 10:26 am

I'm sorry to hear about your problems with neighbors and your dog.

I wonder about the following:

Rhapsody wrote:
We cannot have a fence. The HOA will not allow it.

Why not? Is this a common HOA rule? If so, what on Earth is the reason for such a rule???

If HOAs don't ALL forbid fences in your area, or if there exist houses that are not owned by HOAs in the first place, perhaps you need to move to a place where fences are allowed?

Or perhaps, with the help of some of your friendlier neighbors, you could try to lobby your HOA to change the rule?

Seems to me that allowing fences would solve a lot of pet-related issues (and child safety issues too!) for a lot of people and their neighbors.

EDIT: I just now came across the following possibly-helpful articles:

- When your HOA cares more about property values than personal safety
- Where can homeowners turn for help with HOA problems?

on a website called Independent American Communities: Consumer Education for Homebuyers, Home, and Property Owners | Exposing Condo & HOA Dysfunction, Corruption, & Abuse. Looks like that website might also contain some good advice on how to lobby one's HOA.


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