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It never occurred to me until today, when I simply tried to dispose of my beater '70 Chevy truck, but EVERY NT lies. The truck needed $2k worth of transmission repairs which I wasn't ready to sink into it, and decided finally to cut my losses before I sunk any deeper. I called a salvage yard, and had a tow truck scheduled to come out to take my rig away.

The guy behind the counter of the transmission shop started trying to get me to sell the truck to him. I told him I needed to see his offer in writing, because I was under a time crunch, but he kept making up excuses hwo he needed his manager's approval, so on and so forth. When the tow truck driver finally showed, the guy behind the counter, whose job it is, of course, to sell me on making the repairs to my vehicle, starts hounding the tow truck driver not to "rip me off" for the minimal amount of money I'd get back for turning in my title on the truck.

What finally occurred to me is that the sales guy for the trans shop was trying to use every trick in the book to make me accept him rebuilding the transmission, as he assumed I was ditching the truck with the salvage yard because I couldn't pay my bill with him for the initial inspection done (yanking the trans and driveline out of the truck). He still didn't get it once I spelled it out to him that I needed this whole thing resolved by today, and some things were more important to me than money, like not having the headache of a truck that doesn't run.

Well, I got my money from the tow truck driver, gave him my title, and then proceeded to pay my bill with the trans shop sales guy. The idiot still didn't figure out that any price below the original $600 he quoted me for the trans repair wasn't going to be an issue. The issue was him playing games, games which I always avoided selling cars at the dealership I used to work for. Finally, to add insult to injury, the guy says "you know, we would have rebuilt that transmission for only $600", just to try and make me feel horrible about my decision.

It sickens me, because these same swindling techniques aren't just used by greasy, stereotypical gypsy car lots, but by people in normal social situations. Every single NT lies ALL OF THE TIME! Everything they say to each other is a lie, and they expect everything said to them is also a lie. Even the dreaded non-verbal cues, those are also lies, meant to deceive others into thinking they are in a weakened position.

I can lie and be deceptive if I wish, but I cannot live in a world where everyone lies and is expected to lie. Over the last couple months, I've been giving strong debate as to whether or not I actually want to resolve this sense of lonliness I have. Being with the girlfriend is nice, but I can't stand being in this dead-end city any longer, being around worthless, disgusting humans.

But do I even want to try finding friends and attempt to be happy at this point? If I do, I'm just going to be run over again and again by these worthless dirtbags. If I don't, I'll be completely cut off from social interaction, and perpetually alone.

Sometimes I actually admire people who are at the point they are suicidal, as they can commit themselves to a wrong, but still effective, method of eliminating this dilemma. I, on the other hand, find that I cannot even bring myself towards accepting this approach, not for the fear of death, but the aspect of physical pain involved.

How do I deal with these lying pieces of crap all day? I'm practically living like "I am Legend" as it is, and still can't cut myself off far enough to avoid this nonsense, nor can I enjoy what others find able of providing happiness.

Sorry, I know you're annoyed, but I seriously don't think you can pass judgement on billions of people in some mega-generalisation like that.

Agreed.

yes but i allways lie!

lieslieslieslieslies, yes it's all lies. and then more lies, the tone of voice is a lie too.

Join the Amish.

Everybody lies, Aspies included. Aspie children are not born with little halos around their heads.

One's neurotype does not dictate his or her level of virtue.

Aspies may not be liars, but they're definitely hypocrites.

Of course we can't pass judgement from a single event, but over the years events add up and the general experience turns out to be that most ppl are dishonest to some degree, and in my humble opinion one can't be "a little" or "very" trustworthy.
You're either trustworthy or not. Wether ppl use direct lies, "forget" to tell the whole truth or any other "trick" in the book, consciously or not......they are not trustworthy.

Someone here said that most aspies lie too....? I find that very hard to believe. One of my main impairments is a major disability to deal with lies...can't comprehend why anyone would ever tell a lie. Most of the trouble I ever had in my life started out with me telling people the inconvenient truth (only to be "frozen out"), and still I don't get it, why should I lie?

From the posts, blogs and articles I've read, a disability to understand "social games" (including these damn lies) is very typical AS.... in my logic; most NT's lie a lot of the time bc they can't help it. Some Aspies lie sometimes, to see what happens or to "have a little fun of their own"

BTW never bought anything or been to a store without the salesperson trying to tell me BS. If you go shopping, go prepared!

An aspie may not lie per say if you want to split hairs but may do something like give only some of the information while holding back other information that would influence the decision maker.

All of us? Don't know who you are, but following your logic, you must be either a hypocrit or an NT

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think I actually feel offended by that one

Aspies may not be able to tell verbal falsehoods, statements they know aren't true, but the capacity for simple dishonesty is definitely there.

I myself am a poor liar, but I can definitely understand why people lie.

If the person is a good liar, I can be duped.

I can, however, detect bad lying.

still don't get it. Why do you think aspies are hypocrites???

Politicians are hypocrites... preachers, lawyers, car salesmen and so on.

But why aspies? I don't get it..

and btw; personally, detecting lies is probably what I do best. And from my analysis of other ppl's use of lies I could probably tell some good ones myself. But that doesn't mean that I want to. Truth is often "obscured by clouds". What I need is a clear sky

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Aspies don't want to be summed-up by a label, prejudged because of their neurotype, but that's exactly what they do when railing against the NTs. You see?

Aspie is the only label that ever fit me, I have no trouble wearing it. (but then, officially I was "normal" for 43 yrs. In others words I tried to act as NT for 43 yrs and therefore wasn't prejudged for being AS. I was "just" the weird clever guy.)
I'm not railing against NT's, therefore not a hypocrit in your view then. So not all Aspies are hypocrites.......

I find that hard to believe...

GoatMan, I've also felt like leaving and going somewhere else, even if it meant leaving my boyfriend behind for a while, so I can relate.


I also don't trust NTs, because their lies are for reasons I don't agree with or understand. We think differently. I stick with the autistic community.

I used to lie a lot, and got yelled at for it, too.

There was this one time I broke a little art sculpture I made in art class, and blamed it on my sister. Of course, my parents didn't believe me (they don't believe lies from anyone, trust me, this wasn't a case of sibling favoritism) and gave me a lecture on how that was a sin.

Another time, I popped a balloon by accident, and said I didn't do it, and my mom said to both me and my sister "Somebody's nose is going to grow like Pinocchio's if they keep lying."

Oh, the memories.